Morrigan

I’ve complained before that wiki editing shouldn’t have an original author, or owner, at all. While the authors/editors should be in the editing history the listing itself should never truly have a single author.

 
It should be possible, especially in pages, to set multiple owners. You see this behavior on major websites such as Microsoft where the people that have contributed/have ownership of the listing are listed as “contributors”. I would like to empower my users to allow secondary editors to some of the contributions so those people also have the ability to edit their content. Sort of like adding a moderator to a forum, do it at the listing level in pages.

The Matt's are multiplying like the Marks!

Welcome @Matt Finger

The Matt's are multiplying like the Marks!

Welcome @Matt Finger

I’ve complained before that wiki editing shouldn’t have an original author, or owner, at all. While the authors/editors should be in the editing history the listing itself should never truly have a single author.

 
It should be possible, especially in pages, to set multiple owners. You see this behavior on major websites such as Microsoft where the people that have contributed/have ownership of the listing are listed as “contributors”. I would like to empower my users to allow secondary editors to some of the contributions so those people also have the ability to edit their content. Sort of like adding a moderator to a forum, do it at the listing level in pages.

If your moderators are the ones closing it, you can already do this with a saved action.


 
This only works with forums but look for "Saved Actions" in the ACP.

I’ve complained before that wiki editing shouldn’t have an original author, or owner, at all. While the authors/editors should be in the editing history the listing itself should never truly have a single author.

 
It should be possible, especially in pages, to set multiple owners. You see this behavior on major websites such as Microsoft where the people that have contributed/have ownership of the listing are listed as “contributors”. I would like to empower my users to allow secondary editors to some of the contributions so those people also have the ability to edit their content. Sort of like adding a moderator to a forum, do it at the listing level in pages.

Now I know what you’re already thinking!!

 
Now bear with me a little to explain.
I want a sort of moderation forum (instead of PMs and warnings) to notify members of issues. Not all of my moderation actions require penalization and well.... it’s double the work for a moderator to PM someone and then notify the rest of the staff that they did it. And what if two people jumped on it? It can become a nightmare.
I would personally love it both on the forums and pages level to where you can basically assign a topic as someone(‘s) and only those that it’s assigned to can see it in that category/forum/etc. it would cut down on double moderation in some places and allows for a conversation when it’s not a penalized action. “Hey you didn’t follow the rules for submission for this section, please review” is not a “warning level” action but it is an actionable item for a moderator who then must bring it into a private (unseen) venue to discuss and conclude it.
What this invite forum/category would allow for is, a way to communicate with more than one person regarding a sensitive topic in a means that all moderation staff could see it.
Think of it kind of like a moderation category.
This leads into another idea but I’ll post it separately.

I’ve complained before that wiki editing shouldn’t have an original author, or owner, at all. While the authors/editors should be in the editing history the listing itself should never truly have a single author.

 
It should be possible, especially in pages, to set multiple owners. You see this behavior on major websites such as Microsoft where the people that have contributed/have ownership of the listing are listed as “contributors”. I would like to empower my users to allow secondary editors to some of the contributions so those people also have the ability to edit their content. Sort of like adding a moderator to a forum, do it at the listing level in pages.

The Matt's are multiplying like the Marks!

Welcome @Matt Finger

The Matt's are multiplying like the Marks!

Welcome @Matt Finger

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Well this didn't work as intended. I intended to post 50 of the same emoji and well... I'm just not that cruel to scroll bars but not as simple as you'd think which just makes me more sad.

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Well this didn't work as intended. I intended to post 50 of the same emoji and well... I'm just not that cruel to scroll bars but not as simple as you'd think which just makes me more sad.

I answered this here:
I can offer my condolences to a friend in a discord chat with a sad emoji without making them feel bad that all I have to say is "I'm sorry".
When it comes to bad faeces that happens in someone's life there isn't always "words" that can convey the empathy that you feel for them. I'm going to throwback to when I admitted why I disappeared in December and had a complete breakdown and was upset about a really faecesty update announcement that I couldn't install. I don't think I need to bring back that particular hardship but I can say, save for 3 people that actually replied (1 IPS person and 2 members I think) most of the people that responded were exclusively in reactions, which I actually appreciated significantly more than them replying to the thread with "I'm so sorry Morrigan I hope everything is okay". I knew, from the reaction, that they felt for me and they wished me the best. In fact those reactions were almost more meaningful to me in the moment.
There is a significant difference between empathy and sympathy (I've been taught that through years upon years of tech support). Empathy means you feel for the person and their plight while sympathy means you feel bad for their plight but don't understand it. For the most part people that are empathetic/understand what you're going through and may have meaningful ways to express how they feel to you and give you great words of wisdom or at least a true kind word that may help. Someone that feels sympathetic for you won't have those words but they will understand that you are going through a rough time. The Sympathetic ones won't have anything meaningful to say but they can certainly say "I support you" with a simple reaction.
To me, sad, was never a negative reaction. It was always a sympathetic reaction. "I know its hard but hang in there boo"

 
Follow Back Friday, its a reference to a Twitter trend
 
To The Old Man, at this point I think the Meow is more of an ironic reaction now lololol.
 
 
 
Quick edit:
This thread in particular:
There are many posts in it that can do with a "sad" reaction that don't require empty platitudes of "I'm sorry" in it. Otherwise this whole thread would be filled with apologies about how negatively the virus has affected people's lives. Being able to share your trouble and get support without in-genuine apologies is SUPER important in a thread like this.

I've watched this topic with interest and have evaluated the responses, both positive and negative.  My own personal take on reactions is that they should emulate the forum type, both in its fundamental basis and consideration for its members. These two combined should be the foundation of the reactions types, along with their meanings so that people can 'react' accordingly in reference to the topics generated.
Reactions should be carefully curated to enhance rather than detract from the responses you want from people.  If there are no defined meanings to the reaction images and their alternate text references, they become meaningless and pointless.
I would imagine that as a base admins would want reactions for the following (all entirely optional):
Like Thanks Agree Funny Sad Disagree  The above cover most of the reactions people will respond with to potentially the vast number of responses to topics/posts.  What images are used can be anything that reflects the nature of the site.  Anything else can be added as an optional, but there must be some significant interpretation to them otherwise they would be unproductive.  The Meow Cat on here for example; what does it mean or signify?
Reactions are emotive symbolism and as such need to be curated to accentuate an emotional response - whereby a written response should be deemed as objective/subjective depending on the topic and it's responses.  These are important aspects of a site and should be added with consideration, rather than a whim.  Just my two penneth 🙂
 

Quick thanks to everyone for sharing their thoughts in this topic and I really appreciate the time spent in doing so. Whether we agree or disagree on things, it's nice to see dialogue and always good to read other people's perspectives.
Morrigan, quick thanks for the explanations on those terms! I thought I was up to speed on Twitter acronyms but haven't used it much in recent years, far too much bile for my liking!

I answered this here:
I can offer my condolences to a friend in a discord chat with a sad emoji without making them feel bad that all I have to say is "I'm sorry".
When it comes to bad faeces that happens in someone's life there isn't always "words" that can convey the empathy that you feel for them. I'm going to throwback to when I admitted why I disappeared in December and had a complete breakdown and was upset about a really faecesty update announcement that I couldn't install. I don't think I need to bring back that particular hardship but I can say, save for 3 people that actually replied (1 IPS person and 2 members I think) most of the people that responded were exclusively in reactions, which I actually appreciated significantly more than them replying to the thread with "I'm so sorry Morrigan I hope everything is okay". I knew, from the reaction, that they felt for me and they wished me the best. In fact those reactions were almost more meaningful to me in the moment.
There is a significant difference between empathy and sympathy (I've been taught that through years upon years of tech support). Empathy means you feel for the person and their plight while sympathy means you feel bad for their plight but don't understand it. For the most part people that are empathetic/understand what you're going through and may have meaningful ways to express how they feel to you and give you great words of wisdom or at least a true kind word that may help. Someone that feels sympathetic for you won't have those words but they will understand that you are going through a rough time. The Sympathetic ones won't have anything meaningful to say but they can certainly say "I support you" with a simple reaction.
To me, sad, was never a negative reaction. It was always a sympathetic reaction. "I know its hard but hang in there boo"

 
Follow Back Friday, its a reference to a Twitter trend
 
To The Old Man, at this point I think the Meow is more of an ironic reaction now lololol.
 
 
 
Quick edit:
This thread in particular:
There are many posts in it that can do with a "sad" reaction that don't require empty platitudes of "I'm sorry" in it. Otherwise this whole thread would be filled with apologies about how negatively the virus has affected people's lives. Being able to share your trouble and get support without in-genuine apologies is SUPER important in a thread like this.

I answered this here:
I can offer my condolences to a friend in a discord chat with a sad emoji without making them feel bad that all I have to say is "I'm sorry".
When it comes to bad faeces that happens in someone's life there isn't always "words" that can convey the empathy that you feel for them. I'm going to throwback to when I admitted why I disappeared in December and had a complete breakdown and was upset about a really faecesty update announcement that I couldn't install. I don't think I need to bring back that particular hardship but I can say, save for 3 people that actually replied (1 IPS person and 2 members I think) most of the people that responded were exclusively in reactions, which I actually appreciated significantly more than them replying to the thread with "I'm so sorry Morrigan I hope everything is okay". I knew, from the reaction, that they felt for me and they wished me the best. In fact those reactions were almost more meaningful to me in the moment.
There is a significant difference between empathy and sympathy (I've been taught that through years upon years of tech support). Empathy means you feel for the person and their plight while sympathy means you feel bad for their plight but don't understand it. For the most part people that are empathetic/understand what you're going through and may have meaningful ways to express how they feel to you and give you great words of wisdom or at least a true kind word that may help. Someone that feels sympathetic for you won't have those words but they will understand that you are going through a rough time. The Sympathetic ones won't have anything meaningful to say but they can certainly say "I support you" with a simple reaction.
To me, sad, was never a negative reaction. It was always a sympathetic reaction. "I know its hard but hang in there boo"

 
Follow Back Friday, its a reference to a Twitter trend
 
To The Old Man, at this point I think the Meow is more of an ironic reaction now lololol.
 
 
 
Quick edit:
This thread in particular:
There are many posts in it that can do with a "sad" reaction that don't require empty platitudes of "I'm sorry" in it. Otherwise this whole thread would be filled with apologies about how negatively the virus has affected people's lives. Being able to share your trouble and get support without in-genuine apologies is SUPER important in a thread like this.

As ever, Morrigan you are spot on. This is what I was rather clumsily attempting to get across.
I could live without the confused reaction here, but the saddened reaction is missed. Being saddened to read a piece of content is not simply about being negative or giving a negative impression of a community, it's about being emphatic too, sometimes showing solidarity, and I think being supportive of fellow members in a 'community' is just as important as 'liking' what they say.
That said, my earlier pizza instead of cat observation got no likes, or cats, so clearly I know very little. You know, I could really eat a good pizza right now. Even though it's 9am.

I don't miss the confused reaction but I do miss the sad reaction. We are living in a tumultuous time right now with a global pandemic, and more. You don't always have the words to express that you are feeling for that person's difficult time and seeing a bunch of empty "I'm so sorry"'s in a thread I think is just as damning as no one replying at all to someone's rough time. The sad reaction gave people a means to offer support, show that they read the post without replying with an empty platitude that means even less than a supportive reaction.
 

I don't miss the confused reaction but I do miss the sad reaction. We are living in a tumultuous time right now with a global pandemic, and more. You don't always have the words to express that you are feeling for that person's difficult time and seeing a bunch of empty "I'm so sorry"'s in a thread I think is just as damning as no one replying at all to someone's rough time. The sad reaction gave people a means to offer support, show that they read the post without replying with an empty platitude that means even less than a supportive reaction.
 

I don't miss the confused reaction but I do miss the sad reaction. We are living in a tumultuous time right now with a global pandemic, and more. You don't always have the words to express that you are feeling for that person's difficult time and seeing a bunch of empty "I'm so sorry"'s in a thread I think is just as damning as no one replying at all to someone's rough time. The sad reaction gave people a means to offer support, show that they read the post without replying with an empty platitude that means even less than a supportive reaction.
 

I don't miss the confused reaction but I do miss the sad reaction. We are living in a tumultuous time right now with a global pandemic, and more. You don't always have the words to express that you are feeling for that person's difficult time and seeing a bunch of empty "I'm so sorry"'s in a thread I think is just as damning as no one replying at all to someone's rough time. The sad reaction gave people a means to offer support, show that they read the post without replying with an empty platitude that means even less than a supportive reaction.
 

I reported that as a bug to IPS ages ago @Sonya* I don't know if they plan to fix it.

I think you're making this far more complicated than it needs to be.
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