Interferon Posted April 29, 2020 Share Posted April 29, 2020 (edited) I'm very interested in functionality to automatically download YouTube embeds and to generate thumbnails from images. Any dependence on third parties that we can eliminate is a good thing. Amazon S3 storage is cheap, so there's not really any reason to be hosting all our content on YouTube in 2020. Edited April 29, 2020 by Interferon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WP V0RT3X Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 A problem might be YouTube doesn't really like people to download their content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interferon Posted February 15, 2021 Author Share Posted February 15, 2021 On 5/3/2020 at 8:03 AM, V0RT3X666 said: A problem might be YouTube doesn't really like people to download their content. Well, they can go to hell. It's not their content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrigan Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 9:53 AM, Interferon said: Well, they can go to hell. It's not their content. Not your content either technically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Matt Posted February 17, 2021 Management Share Posted February 17, 2021 The YouTube embeds come from YouTube themselves. It's not a third party dependency. Jordan Miller and Linux-Is-Best 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Charles Posted February 17, 2021 Management Share Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 11:53 AM, Interferon said: Well, they can go to hell. It's not their content. Nathan Explosion, Matt, Jordan Miller and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Explosion Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 @Interferon I have a suspicion here that what you are looking to download here is your own content which you previously uploaded to YouTube, hence your "it's not their content'. Is that correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Miller Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Nathan Explosion said: @Interferon I have a suspicion here that what you are looking to download here is your own content which you previously uploaded to YouTube, hence your "it's not their content'. Is that correct? If that is indeed the case, there's an option in YouTube to download your own video. 🙂 Linux-Is-Best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interferon Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) On 2/17/2021 at 8:40 PM, Charles said: Americans always think everything is a big joke and then when obvious consequences catch up to them they act offended when no one feels sorry for them.. Here is the current situation: YouTube has effectively monopolized all web video. Video-driven affiliate marketing is the primary mode through which real web commerce is being conducted today. This method allows value to be exchanged without Google getting any piece of it. Obviously they do not like this. Killing YouTube annotations was most likely an effort to hide away affiliate links and force usage of Google ads. How long do you think it will be until all affiliate links are removed in all video descriptions? It would be very easy, just strip off all the optional parameters. Make up a cover story about "making the web safer" and no one would do anything about it. If you understand that Google is not a search engine but a data aggregator, it is not hard to extrapolate things we can expect to happen next: Google AMP is stealing content from news sites and displaying it on Google's own domain. News organizations are forced to go along with this in order to have any ranking at all. This is happening right now. How long do you think it will be before Google forces all websites to rely on AMP, and starts serving up the entire web from a cache on their own domain? How long will it then be before Google introduces "Google CAMP"(Communities on AMP). "Build your own rich interactive web experiences with forums, blogs, galleries, and other great features! Best of all, it's running entirely on Google's servers! No more accounts to create! No software to buy and update! And it's free!" 70% of Invision's sales vaporize overnight. Webmasters who refuse to switch to "CAMP" get blacklisted from search results. The address bar gets hidden away in Chrome, the same way they hid away bookmarks to drive all traffic to the same 7 "top sites". The normal web effectively is transformed into another dark web. Google has total control over all Internet forums, accounts, commerce. The web is now 100% run off of Google.com and we're all forced to feed data into their proprietary system. There's no more world wide web or domain name system. There's just Chrome and Google. Is it really that hard to imagine something like that happening? I don't know what the answer is, but everyone in technology should be discussing this and finding ways to build around Google. Posting a funny picture and thinking everything is a big joke is not the appropriate response. Edited February 22, 2021 by Interferon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Anderson Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Interferon said: Americans always think everything is funny I find very little to laugh about as an American. There are so many things wrong in America. Some of our own making and some caused by outsiders to know which one to tackle first. As soon as you embark on fixing one problem another one comes to the forefront and you are left wondering how to tackle that problem. On and on it goes, leaving the average citizen a little shell shocked and averse to embarking on any form of advocacy to affect change as it is likely the moment you start your attention is focused on something more pressing. Some people laugh not because they find things funny but as a coping mechanism. If you are laughing you're not crying. Have you actually been successful in getting anyone you know to completely shun Google? If so will that approach work on your butcher, baker, and candlestick maker. If so please share. Edited February 22, 2021 by Chris Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Explosion Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 @Interferon Is it your content that is hosted on YouTube? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interferon Posted February 22, 2021 Author Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Nathan Explosion said: @Interferon Is it your content that is hosted on YouTube? Not most of it. Our users post YouTube video IDs of videos themselves using our products. We have a large collection of videos users have linked to in a database. I am not saying this is super urgent, and this is bigger than just IPS, but we should be talking about whether it is acceptable for Google to monopolize web video and keep changing their service to terms that are more and more negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Explosion Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) Then provide your users with permissions to edit the content and to upload videos. Then they can go edit their content, remove the YouTube embeds and upload their original source videos to your site? Edited February 22, 2021 by Nathan Explosion Linux-Is-Best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Miller Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Interferon said: Americans always think everything is a big joke and then when obvious consequences catch up to them they act offended when no one feels sorry for them.. 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linux-Is-Best Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Interferon said: Americans always think everything is a big joke and then when obvious consequences catch up to them they act offended when no one feels sorry for them. That is not an American issue. It is a human issue. Stupidity and lack of foresight are regrettably not exclusive to any one nation or corner of the world. You can find it everywhere and throughout all human history. I imagine great things await humanity if and when that is not the case, but until that moment, I do sympathize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Miller Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Interferon said: Americans always think everything is a big joke and then when obvious consequences catch up to them they act offended when no one feels sorry for them.. Here is the current situation: YouTube has effectively monopolized all web video. Video-driven affiliate marketing is the primary mode through which real web commerce is being conducted today. This method allows value to be exchanged without Google getting any piece of it. Obviously they do not like this. Killing YouTube annotations was most likely an effort to hide away affiliate links and force usage of Google ads. How long do you think it will be until all affiliate links are removed in all video descriptions? It would be very easy, just strip off all the optional parameters. Make up a cover story about "making the web safer" and no one would do anything about it. If you understand that Google is not a search engine but a data aggregator, it is not hard to extrapolate things we can expect to happen next: Google AMP is stealing content from news sites and displaying it on Google's own domain. News organizations are forced to go along with this in order to have any ranking at all. This is happening right now. How long do you think it will be before Google forces all websites to rely on AMP, and starts serving up the entire web from a cache on their own domain? How long will it then be before Google introduces "Google CAMP"(Communities on AMP). "Build your own rich interactive web experiences with forums, blogs, galleries, and other great features! Best of all, it's running entirely on Google's servers! No more accounts to create! No software to buy and update! And it's free!" 70% of Invision's sales vaporize overnight. Webmasters who refuse to switch to "CAMP" get blacklisted from search results. The address bar gets hidden away in Chrome, the same way they hid away bookmarks to drive all traffic to the same 7 "top sites". The normal web effectively is transformed into another dark web. Google has total control over all Internet forums, accounts, commerce. The web is now 100% run off of Google.com and we're all forced to feed data into their proprietary system. There's no more world wide web or domain name system. There's just Chrome and Google. Is it really that hard to imagine something like that happening? I don't know what the answer is, but everyone in technology should be discussing this and finding ways to build around Google. Posting a funny picture and thinking everything is a big joke is not the appropriate response. You make a lot of points. Google could very well continue to be the black hole that gobbles up all of the surrounding Internet stardust. However, just like the mysteries of space, we don't know what's going to happen. The what if game is dangerous. There are many things we can focus our attention on that is in our control, like the growth of Invision Community and finding our niche place on the worldwide web despite the Google juggernaut stomping its way into our existence. All that to say Invision Community does have its sights set on developing video because we understand the importance of community owners and publishers having more control over their own content and not be at the mercy of the Internet empires. 🙏 Regarding the American comment. I can understand your frustration, but can we all agree to please keep comments like that to ourselves. It'd be greatly appreciated 🙂 Linux-Is-Best 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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