RevengeFNF Posted January 3, 2018 Author Posted January 3, 2018 I have already configured Elasticsearch in a VPS with 4 vCPU's and 10Gb of Ram just to use Elasticsearch with my forum. Now it's just the wait to receive the first 4.3 beta and start testing.
LiquidFractal Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 I have 256MB allocated to my Invision CMS on a VPS with 8 CPUs (3.3Ghz) and 2GB RAM. My site is quite small. Can anyone suggest whether or not ES run all right?
Square Wheels Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 Will there be articles for those of us that have a modest size site (half million posts) and people complain about search and want to consider this? I have no idea how to implement something like this, but search is the one complaint I occasionally get, so I'd like it if it were an option for me.
RevengeFNF Posted January 4, 2018 Author Posted January 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, Square Wheels said: Will there be articles for those of us that have a modest size site (half million posts) and people complain about search and want to consider this? I have no idea how to implement something like this, but search is the one complaint I occasionally get, so I'd like it if it were an option for me. Its easy to install Elasticsearch, on localhost or a dedicated vps/server for Elasticsearch. There will be plenty tutorials here for sure.
All Astronauts Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 ^^^ Lots of people will be all over this, there will be help and tutorials galore.
Management Charles Posted January 4, 2018 Management Posted January 4, 2018 I personally never bothered learning to install Elasticsearch and neither did our dev team. There are dozens of places out there that offer hosted Elasticsearch. I used AWS and with a few clicks had it up and running. It's 2018: installing stuff on a VPS manually is soooo 2003.
InvisionHQ Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, Charles said: It's 2018: installing stuff on a VPS manually is soooo 2003. maybe it's also a budget problem, who owns a dedicated server (or vps) does not spend a dollar manually install stuff.
bfarber Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Charles said: I personally never bothered learning to install Elasticsearch and neither did our dev team. There are dozens of places out there that offer hosted Elasticsearch. I used AWS and with a few clicks had it up and running. It's 2018: installing stuff on a VPS manually is soooo 2003. Au contraire...I installed it locally on Windows to test. But then again, I'm very 2003.
Management Charles Posted January 4, 2018 Management Posted January 4, 2018 Yes, you use Windows so very 2003.
SammyS Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 3 hours ago, Charles said: I personally never bothered learning to install Elasticsearch and neither did our dev team. There are dozens of places out there that offer hosted Elasticsearch. I used AWS and with a few clicks had it up and running. It's 2018: installing stuff on a VPS manually is soooo 2003. How about CIC clients?
RevengeFNF Posted January 4, 2018 Author Posted January 4, 2018 4 hours ago, Charles said: I personally never bothered learning to install Elasticsearch and neither did our dev team. There are dozens of places out there that offer hosted Elasticsearch. I used AWS and with a few clicks had it up and running. It's 2018: installing stuff on a VPS manually is soooo 2003. What is the price? I doubt its cheaper than buying a vps dedicated to Elasticsearch. PS: Im also very 2003, so i like to do things manually
Mark Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 29 minutes ago, RevengeFNF said: What is the price? I doubt its cheaper than buying a vps dedicated to Elasticsearch. PS: Im also very 2003, so i like to do things manually Searchly has a free tier and then from $9/month Amazon also has a free tier for 12 months and from there... it's complicated, but a quick calculation suggests their cheapest option is ~$13 per month Bonsai starts at $20/month ObjectRocket starts at $30/month Qbox starts at $40/month Elasticsearch themselves start at $45/month Compose also starts at $45/month ... but yes, you can install it yourself - as far as Invision Community is concerned, you just give it the URL to the instance.
RevengeFNF Posted January 4, 2018 Author Posted January 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Mark said: Searchly has a free tier and then from $9/month Amazon also has a free tier for 12 months and from there... it's complicated, but a quick calculation suggests their cheapest option is ~$13 per month Bonsai starts at $20/month ObjectRocket starts at $30/month Qbox starts at $40/month Elasticsearch themselves start at $45/month Compose also starts at $45/month ... but yes, you can install it yourself - as far as Invision Community is concerned, you just give it the URL to the instance. Thanks The 13$ of the Amazon Option is just for the service. We will also need to pay for the data storage used. But it can be a good solution.
Joel R Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, Mark said: Searchly has a free tier and then from $9/month Amazon also has a free tier for 12 months and from there... it's complicated, but a quick calculation suggests their cheapest option is ~$13 per month Bonsai starts at $20/month ObjectRocket starts at $30/month Qbox starts at $40/month Elasticsearch themselves start at $45/month Compose also starts at $45/month ... but yes, you can install it yourself - as far as Invision Community is concerned, you just give it the URL to the instance. Nominating this for Price Shopper Comparison post of the day.
All Astronauts Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 When that blog post on this hits can you include how many indexes we can expect to have (1 suite-wide? 1 per-app?) and rough guess as to size? I'm all down with self-hosting as,well, it's not hard (even if it is so-2003...) and the cost savings (for me) are substantial as I can just add this to the already-paid-up monster server. But if you go the paid-service route, even with that "cheap" option above, $$$ will add up fast. Just checking one site for core_search_index size I'm wondering what's going to be the comparable figure: the data size (200 Meg) or the Index size (600 Meg). 120,000 posts for anyone that cares for comparison.
Mark Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 5 hours ago, All Astronauts said: When that blog post on this hits can you include how many indexes we can expect to have (1 suite-wide? 1 per-app?) and rough guess as to size? I'm all down with self-hosting as,well, it's not hard (even if it is so-2003...) and the cost savings (for me) are substantial as I can just add this to the already-paid-up monster server. But if you go the paid-service route, even with that "cheap" option above, $$$ will add up fast. Just checking one site for core_search_index size I'm wondering what's going to be the comparable figure: the data size (200 Meg) or the Index size (600 Meg). 120,000 posts for anyone that cares for comparison. 1 index. Will be roughly the same size as your core_search_index database table currently is (a bit larger as there's some extra metadata).
All Astronauts Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 Thanks. Super small forums should get by on that tiny plan, but any forum with some heft will be kicking out some $$/monthly. Looking forward to this. I've been able to navigate the non-Sphinx waters easily enough as I can/have dropped the search character limits to 1 and have the server to handle this but relieving this burden which applies to the entire database will be very, very nice.
Square Wheels Posted January 4, 2018 Posted January 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, Mark said: 1 index. Will be roughly the same size as your core_search_index database table currently is (a bit larger as there's some extra metadata). I'm at 500mb, so decent search will cost me $19 a month. I'll pass. I make nothing off of this site and pay for everything out of pocket, it's a hobby. I guess I should not have mentioned better search was in our future.
Management Lindy Posted January 4, 2018 Management Posted January 4, 2018 7 hours ago, SammyS said: How about CIC clients? We will have more information available for CiC clients soon as well.
RevengeFNF Posted January 4, 2018 Author Posted January 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Square Wheels said: I'm at 500mb, so decent search will cost me $19 a month. I'll pass. I make nothing off of this site and pay for everything out of pocket, it's a hobby. I guess I should not have mentioned better search was in our future. Why not install elasticsearch in localhost?
Morgin Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 4 hours ago, RevengeFNF said: Why not install elasticsearch in localhost? Yeah I spent the day reading up and this won’t be difficult for even ****ty admins like myself to get up and running. Tons of guides out there.
maddog107_merged Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 I cant believe this day has finally come
LiquidFractal Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Charles said: Yes, you use Windows so very 2003. Guess I'm just not cool enough to sit in Starbucks (the universal Apple congregation spot) with a MacBook.....
Mark Posted January 5, 2018 Posted January 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Square Wheels said: I'm at 500mb, so decent search will cost me $19 a month. I'll pass. I make nothing off of this site and pay for everything out of pocket, it's a hobby. I guess I should not have mentioned better search was in our future. We have improvements for MySQL search too. Elasticsearch has a few main benefits over MySQL - for example, it can understand language better (searching for "community" will match things which say "communities"), it's relevancy is better, and it scales better for larger communities, amongst other things - but that doesn't mean it's necessary for everyone. We'll have blog entries out with more details soon Although, as @RevengeFNF points out, unless you're on shared hosting you can install Elasticsearch on your own server - it's free. 5 hours ago, maddog107_merged said: I cant believe this day has finally come 1 hour ago, liquidfractal said: Guess I'm just not cool enough to sit in Starbucks (the universal Apple congregation spot) with a MacBook..... Or Charles's kitchen table
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