aia Posted November 15, 2014 Posted November 15, 2014 In my opinion this option should be enabled by default, it will help to prevent overuse of formatting by inexperienced users(big rainbow effect) who even don't know how to paste clean text. Also, in my experience pasting of plain text is more often need than pasting of formated text. What do you think guys? Should be this option enabled by default, or at least should forum admins have option to choose the default state?
Marius Posted November 15, 2014 Posted November 15, 2014 Yes, this option should be enabled by default.
Kirill N Posted November 15, 2014 Posted November 15, 2014 You can disable this at all by updating ckeditor settings. That's what I'm going to do. There's nothing good about pasting formatted text.
aia Posted November 15, 2014 Author Posted November 15, 2014 You can disable this at all by updating ckeditor settings.It's not a solution because it disables pasting of formatted text at all, with no way to manually enable it for specific users.
aia Posted November 15, 2014 Author Posted November 15, 2014 There's nothing good about pasting formatted text.Exactly. For most of users at least.
aia Posted November 20, 2014 Author Posted November 20, 2014 Yes, this option should be enabled by default.Thanks.Hope we'll see some comments from devs.
Soniceffect Posted November 20, 2014 Posted November 20, 2014 I must admit its very rare I ever want to paste with the formatting intact
-GR- Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 I agree or at least the ability to specify the default per usergroup maybe.
Morpheus NS Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Definitely. Users on my site don't know the difference between pasting as plain text (Ctrl+Shift+V) and simple old-fashioned pasting (Ctrl+V), no matter how many times I explain it.
craigf136 Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 I disagree, although I'm a fan of plain text and keeping things simple, our forum involves a lot of discussions, stories and theories. Removing the formatting option impacts these drastically, yes it's something that could be enabled but then so is pasting as plain.It's the same type of discussion we are currently holding about signatures, if it's something you want to do, then enabled signature/plain text. Just because we think plain text is the right thing, doesn't necessarily mean that every single forum out there using IPB does.
Tinytimrob Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 +1. Best option would be to make this a config setting.Users on my site don't know the difference between pasting as plain text (Ctrl+Shift+V) and simple old-fashioned pasting (Ctrl+V)I didn't even realize that was a feature. It isn't particularly obvious. Does this work in reverse if the "paste plain text by default" is enabled?
Mark Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 +1. Best option would be to make this a config setting. I didn't even realize that was a feature. It isn't particularly obvious. Does this work in reverse if the "paste plain text by default" is enabled? No, it's an OS thing. Same thing for pasting into any application
Cemmos Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 I disagree, although I'm a fan of plain text and keeping things simple, our forum involves a lot of discussions, stories and theories. Removing the formatting option impacts these drastically, yes it's something that could be enabled but then so is pasting as plain.It's the same type of discussion we are currently holding about signatures, if it's something you want to do, then enabled signature/plain text. Just because we think plain text is the right thing, doesn't necessarily mean that every single forum out there using IPB does.Absolutely. You're not wrong at all, but the case here is whether the majority of forum users want to paste as plain text or text with formatting by default. In most cases, an end user just wants to paste a snippet he or she found online, without all the extra HTML/BBCode included. Plus, the toolbar we have makes it easy enough to format plain text, to our liking, on the fly.I think of formatted-text pasting as more of a feature than a standard. And as a feature, it'd be nice to have the option to toggle it on, while having plain-text pasting be the default.
craigf136 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 That;s where we disagree. An end user wants to just paste something that they have copied online, they don't really care how it is pasted - they just want to share it (in my experience).
Mark Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 One shouldn't generalise. If I'm posting something I copied and pasted from a pdf which has the text in an usual color/font/size, I would want it without formatting. However, if I'm posting a link, I would expect it to retain the link (not just paste the text), or if I'm posting an except from Wikipedia, I would want it to retain links/bolding/etc within the excerpt.That is why we provide both options. Personally, I'd prefer to just let the OS handle pasting because that's its responsibility, but annoyingly both Windows and OS X don't make the ability to paste as plain text terribly well known.I do have an idea in the back of my mind. I'd like to make it so when you paste anything, it will paste as formatted, and a discreet message will appear somewhere near the editor saying "Would you prefer this as plaintext?" and then it will remember that choice for next time. This won't make it into 4.0 though.
opentype Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 For me the question is not simply rich text or plain text – it’s about WHAT is actually copied. A link within the text? Certainly okay! An IMG tag with an absolute URL? Probably! But what makes rich text pasting such a nightmare in general is all that text styling. If I copy from another website I don’t want or need THEIR font sizes and colors, let alone background colors and so on. I copy content, not styling. So for me the best option would be that the editor accepts rich text content, but strips out anything that is just styling.
-GR- Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 One of the main reasons I want to be able to have paste as plain text the default is we have had numerous times where someone will copy and paste content from another site that has add links in them. 95% of users don't know the difference and the 5% that do can format it after it is pasted.
opentype Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 By the way: You can easily force plain text in 4.0. applications → core → interface → ckeditor → ckeditor → config.jsAdd this line:CKEDITOR.config.forcePasteAsPlainText = true;
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