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I know IPB has taken the action needed however, when a illegal sites in another country there's only so much anyone can do. I myself have turned in the site you're referring to Google several times and so has some others. Nothing has been, ever.
 
So then what's the purpose to upgrade other than features which are only added during major upgrades? How's IPB supposed to turn a profit, pay devs, pay for support and other bills, taxes etc... etc... Renewals are a major asset to IPB or they wouldn't have them.
here's a great example, I make themes and also charge recurring fees every 6 months, so do most other devs. Why do you think we do that? It's not because we are greedy. It's because a 35.00 theme doesn't cover future support, development of new features and more. After IPB gets its cut, I get $27.50 USD I will wrap up 35.00 USD and more sometimes with a lot of customers in a half hour of free support alone plus I've lost the cost of the sale of my theme. Am I supposed to double the cost of my theme for answering support on what's most of the time custom situations outside of the realm of my theme? There's a laundry list as to why a person may need additional support including giving out free support for those other devs who refuse to follow the IPB css framework again just as an example. "Well I downloaded this plugin and your colors don't match" It's not my fault someones plugin uses it's own css but yet what do I do? Charge them? No, I take care of my customers the best I can. I'm not in this to break even or make no profit, considering I make a little profit as it is. This thread has seriously become left field.

I know IPB has taken the action needed however, when a illegal sites in another country there's only so much anyone can do. I myself have turned in the site you're referring to Google several times and so has some others. Nothing has been, ever.
 
So then what's the purpose to upgrade other than features which are only added during major upgrades? How's IPB supposed to turn a profit, pay devs, pay for support and other bills, taxes etc... etc... Renewals are a major asset to IPB or they wouldn't have them.
here's a great example, I make themes and also charge recurring fees every 6 months, so do most other devs. Why do you think we do that? It's not because we are greedy. It's because a 35.00 theme doesn't cover future support, development of new features and more. After IPB gets its cut, I get $27.50 USD I will wrap up 35.00 USD and more sometimes with a lot of customers in a half hour of free support alone plus I've lost the cost of the sale of my theme. Am I supposed to double the cost of my theme for answering support on what's most of the time custom situations outside of the realm of my theme? There's a laundry list as to why a person may need additional support including giving out free support for those other devs who refuse to follow the IPB css framework again just as an example. "Well I downloaded this plugin and your colors don't match" It's not my fault someones plugin uses it's own css but yet what do I do? Charge them? No, I take care of my customers the best I can. I'm not in this to break even or make no profit, considering I make a little profit as it is. This thread has seriously become left field.

I know IPB has taken the action needed however, when a illegal sites in another country there's only so much anyone can do. I myself have turned in the site you're referring to Google several times and so has some others. Nothing has been, ever.
 
So then what's the purpose to upgrade other than features which are only added during major upgrades? How's IPB supposed to turn a profit, pay devs, pay for support and other bills, taxes etc... etc... Renewals are a major asset to IPB or they wouldn't have them.
here's a great example, I make themes and also charge recurring fees every 6 months, so do most other devs. Why do you think we do that? It's not because we are greedy. It's because a 35.00 theme doesn't cover future support, development of new features and more. After IPB gets its cut, I get $27.50 USD I will wrap up 35.00 USD and more sometimes with a lot of customers in a half hour of free support alone plus I've lost the cost of the sale of my theme. Am I supposed to double the cost of my theme for answering support on what's most of the time custom situations outside of the realm of my theme? There's a laundry list as to why a person may need additional support including giving out free support for those other devs who refuse to follow the IPB css framework again just as an example. "Well I downloaded this plugin and your colors don't match" It's not my fault someones plugin uses it's own css but yet what do I do? Charge them? No, I take care of my customers the best I can. I'm not in this to break even or make no profit, considering I make a little profit as it is. This thread has seriously become left field.

I dropped a forum I had for 13 years, I asked IPB to move that license url to another url that also was using a IPB second license. Then I used the 2nd url on a different domain because it was a full suite, they did, no charge,, I have never had a issue with this probably because I don't switch urls often at all. Point is they were great and done this a couple of years back when this policy of a 15.00 charge was in effect. 
Second, I never understood why people want to let their license overlap. I don't think I ever let that happen for myself in all the years I've been here. I always wanted the latest version so I could keep my sites safe with current bug fixes and security updates. My members and my investment meant that much to me.

Not really but... IPB is not XF or anything else. You choose IPB and now you expect them to change their business model for you. You know what to do if you don't like it or can't afford it!
 
That's called a suggestion, no ones forcing you to do anything. Calling IPB greedy however especially when you choose their business model or expecting them to cater to you over covid is very unreasonable. Using covid to deplete a business of funds is out there. My mortgage company didn't let me off the hook for covid nor did my vehicle finance company. I guess you should of better planned out your finances and future.
 
Well, if you would of comprehended what I said, I ran it for 13 years, in other words I don't have it anymore. My little drummers forum when I did have it was visited by the biggest names in the music business from Alice Cooper's current drummer to many more big names you couldn't even imagine. Many of these drummers are still friends of mine. Successful site it was I could afford and maintain with proper planning. So I guess maybe you should stick to your small joystick Garry's kiddie community with better planning or use a application that fits your budget better. If you're crying over $15.00 USD or renewals you obviously have financial issues and planned poorly.

Not really but... IPB is not XF or anything else. You choose IPB and now you expect them to change their business model for you. You know what to do if you don't like it or can't afford it!
 
That's called a suggestion, no ones forcing you to do anything. Calling IPB greedy however especially when you choose their business model or expecting them to cater to you over covid is very unreasonable. Using covid to deplete a business of funds is out there. My mortgage company didn't let me off the hook for covid nor did my vehicle finance company. I guess you should of better planned out your finances and future.
 
Well, if you would of comprehended what I said, I ran it for 13 years, in other words I don't have it anymore. My little drummers forum when I did have it was visited by the biggest names in the music business from Alice Cooper's current drummer to many more big names you couldn't even imagine. Many of these drummers are still friends of mine. Successful site it was I could afford and maintain with proper planning. So I guess maybe you should stick to your small joystick Garry's kiddie community with better planning or use a application that fits your budget better. If you're crying over $15.00 USD or renewals you obviously have financial issues and planned poorly.

It’s currently 10% and has not yet increased to 20% - we’ve left it alone in light of Covid and ironing out the new marketplace.
That said, even at 20% it’s expected to almost break even. The marketplace operates at a net loss to IPS just because of the price point of most resources. So on. $5 resource, we get a $.50 commission - now, say that $5 resource has a chargeback that’s $20. So our net loss on a $5 resource is $20.50. That also means we need up to 40 more of those transactions in commission just to break even on the original transaction. There is also payout fees to pay the authors. The marketplace operates in the red even before considering the staffing. When you slice it up, you could see why apple takes 30% and never refunds their fees.
Thats neither her nor there, my comment was reinforce we don’t make money in the marketplace - the opposite, so it’s ok if you use the authors site too. It’s just not ideal (for you.)

I'm sorry for the disappointment and confusion here. As you likely know, the Marketplace has been shifted to the AdminCP in 4.5. Beyond that, IPS has taken an even more proactive approach for the ultimate benefit of the majority of customers. We have developed new guidelines, provide more in depth and stringent reviews for submissions and now, for all updates as well. With all of this, we are striving to provide a more seamless and stable experience. Part of this is ensuring you have the latest version of both the core software as well as third party software. We are aiming to help ensure that if you install something in the Marketplace in your community it will provide you with a far greater success rate than in the past. It will also help authors reduce support overhead allowing them to focus more on development and less on why a resource isn't working on a 2yr old version. 
With the majority renewing anyway (we would be doing something wrong if people running successful communities weren't also interested in properly maintaining them, right?), we didn't really anticipate a particularly negative response (although anytime we make any decision, there are always predictions of impending doom - nature of the business. 🙂) Interestingly though, there have been an alarming number of customers who have submitted a ticket that haven't renewed in some time, prompting the question "what would you even do with the marketplace anyway, nothing in it would work on the version you should have" and a quick investigation shows they have been using a "nulled" version of the core software (in a few cases, for 6+ years) and were sneaking in through the backdoor of the Marketplace. That obviously wasn't the intent of correcting the marketplace to work in the ACP based on license status and there are of course customers doing the right thing simply frustrated by the principle of this, but it's been an interesting byproduct for sure.
For those acquiring resources from the authors directly, that is perfectly fine and entirely their/your decision. We don't net anything off of the Marketplace and if you weren't going to renew anyway, there is no net loss there either. We've kept provisions for manual installation of resources, but for the reasons mentioned above, it will generate an untested/unauthorized type warning because it's not within the Marketplace framework - which also means you will need to manually update. Beyond that, there should be no obstacles or barriers. 
I know I've said this before, but please understand that our company has dramatically shifted over the years and continues to evolve. At the risk of appearing brash, if you are expecting XF or Brand X prices, polices, etc. you may unfortunately find yourself continually disappointed as we have vastly different business models, an increasingly different demographic and the landscape of enterprise grade communities continues to demand more. We are certainly not intentionally shutting anyone out, but we do have to make continual decisions to grow the platform, create sustainability for the company and ensure we are hitting the mark for those keeping the lights on. In this case, we feel that most will benefit from a solid Marketplace with trusted resources, seamless installations and continuity in upgrades. We've made decisions we feel help us best achieve the goals, but we recognize there will always be some that disagree and that's completely ok (as long as we can agree to disagree when the time comes.) As noted by others, there are options for everyone out there - we want you to be happy and choose us as your platform provider, but if another provider would better meet your needs at price points that fit your goals, we completely understand. 
My apologies again to those aversely impacted. I have confidence that should you remain an active customer, any hesitation you may have about this will be far outweighed by the benefits of simplicity, ease of maintenance and stability. 
 

We've been down this road before a few times. The majority want IPB to take the reigns on applications for several reasons ranging from
bad development
Devs going awol
Devs taking to much time to release

and the list goes on and on and on. I'm sure @Lindy could mention the ones I didn't plus some.
Devs can list off their site but you need to ready for what could happen if things go wrong. As a dev I can tell you the process for us to get our applications and themes in the marketplace is a bonus for the purchaser. You get a working product right out of the box that's been tested and poured over by IPB to make sure you are getting a quality properly developed product. It's not easy for devs to get accepted due to the stringent requirements, but that benefits the buyer in the end imo greatly. losing 10% profit? try 20% in the real near future. Do I agree with that? I think it should be less like around 12-15% but that's not my choice. it is my choice however to go through the painstaking process to make sure IPB customers get a great product. 
I ran a popular drummers forum for 13 years. I went into it not expecting people to pay me anything, I left it that way too till the end. If you're developing something with dollar signs in mind I wonder how much of a passion that really is to you. If you can't afford a forum and what it takes to keep it and your members safe imo you should stick with free software. At least with free software you can keep security patches up with current releases on time. It's like buying a new car, Should I get a Cadillac and pay tons in maintenance costs or should I get something when something goes wrong I can fix affordably. You certainly want to keep maintenance up and your budget is obviously saying if you buy the Caddy it could be struggle which may end up leaving you without transportation. 
To each their own, that's for sure, but if you want to get into the big league with paid software you should expect there's recurring costs involved. getting something better means developers are being paid and there's a business to run. business's can't run on every Tom Dick or Harry wanting to skip renewals either. People have to eat. As you know with free software, those developers are making money in other ways to put food on their table, pay bills and whatever else it takes to feed themselves and their families possibly.
Realistically looking at this, the entire suite to renew is around 110.00 USD every 6 months. You have 6 months to save a hundred bucks. If you can't save a 100.0 USD in 6 months, you may want to consider a free option.
Bottom line, IPB is a business and must work as such to survive.

The article you linked too was put up after my post here. It would of been nice to see that in the product instructions for your plugin or a link in your instructions to that article at your site. Could help others in the future. Thanks

Thankyou ... it's work 🙂👌

You need to add your background color where I mention #your-background-color in the rule above. Just replace this rule with that rule.
#ipsLayout_contentArea { border-top: 7px solid rgb( var(--theme-page_background)); }  

.ipsBreadcrumb.ipsBreadcrumb_top { display:none; } .ipsBreadcrumb.ipsBreadcrumb_bottom { display:none; }  
Add that to your themes custom.css
Regards

Each forum, sub-forum get's it's own grid image. If there's sub-forums under a grid category it should show just the sub-forum category name text. That's normal. If that's not what's happening to you then I'm not sure.

Please add the ability to add a poll to a pages record or by itself as a record. I run a news site, forums are not part of a local news site in general, but the ability to add a poll would be fantastic. Since the software is sold now by app basis, pages would be deserving of this ability imo.
Thank You

Please add the ability to add a poll to a pages record or by itself as a record. I run a news site, forums are not part of a local news site in general, but the ability to add a poll would be fantastic. Since the software is sold now by app basis, pages would be deserving of this ability imo.
Thank You

Please add the ability to add a poll to a pages record or by itself as a record. I run a news site, forums are not part of a local news site in general, but the ability to add a poll would be fantastic. Since the software is sold now by app basis, pages would be deserving of this ability imo.
Thank You

Please add the ability to add a poll to a pages record or by itself as a record. I run a news site, forums are not part of a local news site in general, but the ability to add a poll would be fantastic. Since the software is sold now by app basis, pages would be deserving of this ability imo.
Thank You

Please add the ability to add a poll to a pages record or by itself as a record. I run a news site, forums are not part of a local news site in general, but the ability to add a poll would be fantastic. Since the software is sold now by app basis, pages would be deserving of this ability imo.
Thank You

All I really got to say is IPB knocked this one out of the park. HOMERUN! I better add also I'm also really impressed with low bug count in betas. The dev team is organized better than ever.. It's taken some years to get everything on the track it is but I feel it was well worth it and well worth the wait. Should I be giving @Lindy some credit here?? If I do will @Matt pull the Lindy factor line on me? 🤣 This is really such a well rounded product now all the way around. Great awesome job IPB!
 

There kinda is and may be y our best option. I agree, anyone who has given that many low stars doesn't need to keep going on. What you can do is create a new group that doesn't allow downloads and cut their download capability all together, refund their purchase money. Not sure what you are selling here or at what price, but may be your best option you can afford to that. Other wise, your option with the code you created will have to do unless someone makes a plugin for you or you do that yourself. Good luck. Sounds like you have someone that part of the tough crowd to please.

All I really got to say is IPB knocked this one out of the park. HOMERUN! I better add also I'm also really impressed with low bug count in betas. The dev team is organized better than ever.. It's taken some years to get everything on the track it is but I feel it was well worth it and well worth the wait. Should I be giving @Lindy some credit here?? If I do will @Matt pull the Lindy factor line on me? 🤣 This is really such a well rounded product now all the way around. Great awesome job IPB!
 

I’m excited to come out from behind the scenes to say, Hello! 👋
The IPS team has been incredibly welcoming to me in so many ways! The willingness to try and adopt new processes is passing along better results to you guys! I’m happy to be part of such a driven, hardworking group! Dedicated leadership, a well-rounded team and eager clients have made this year with IPS a great one for me!
Thank you for your feedback, @DesignzShop. Keep it coming!

All I really got to say is IPB knocked this one out of the park. HOMERUN! I better add also I'm also really impressed with low bug count in betas. The dev team is organized better than ever.. It's taken some years to get everything on the track it is but I feel it was well worth it and well worth the wait. Should I be giving @Lindy some credit here?? If I do will @Matt pull the Lindy factor line on me? 🤣 This is really such a well rounded product now all the way around. Great awesome job IPB!
 

All I really got to say is IPB knocked this one out of the park. HOMERUN! I better add also I'm also really impressed with low bug count in betas. The dev team is organized better than ever.. It's taken some years to get everything on the track it is but I feel it was well worth it and well worth the wait. Should I be giving @Lindy some credit here?? If I do will @Matt pull the Lindy factor line on me? 🤣 This is really such a well rounded product now all the way around. Great awesome job IPB!