mld11 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I was discussing forum software with my friend, as he is starting a forum and I recommended IPB to him (of course). Later on (after having the board setup and working) he found out that vBulletin boards are not permitted on his host. So my question to you is, do you allow the end user to run a website using vBulletin software on your hosting packages? I thought it was an interesting rule, and I don't think anyone has ever stopped to ask this before. I understand everyone has their differences / opinions towards the difference forum software companies out there, but I would like to know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawPi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 /OT Nice signature. :lol: /OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Garcia Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I would say that is an interesting question. Though talking unofficially here. IPS is a professional company so I think as long as it doesn't break the TOS it should be good? Though, maybe running vBulletin could be something like a conflict of interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditchmonkey Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I think you need to not think of IPB "hosting" as a regular web host, and instead consider them a software services company. When you get a hosted IPB instance from Invision, what you are really getting is a subscription to a software service, in this case the IPB forum. I would really doubt that IPB would be interested in just being a regular web host that anything could be installed on, Vbulletin or whatever. Would you go to salesforce.com, or Basecamp, and ask them to host a Vbulletin forum? No, because they are not "hosts", they are software services companies. I don't think Invision is any different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 [quote name='Ditchmonkey' date='16 November 2009 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1258335384' post='1879609'] I think you need to not think of IPB "hosting" as a regular web host, and instead consider them a software services company. When you get a hosted IPB instance from Invision, what you are really getting is a subscription to a software service, in this case the IPB forum. I would really doubt that IPB would be interested in just being a regular web host that anything could be installed on, Vbulletin or whatever. Would you go to salesforce.com, or Basecamp, and ask them to host a Vbulletin forum? No, because they are not "hosts", they are software services companies. I don't think Invision is any different. I (and IPS) disagree with your assessment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DKiwi Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I can see the logic in having an IPB forum hosted by IPS but can't see any logic in hosting a VB forum with them since IPS wouldn't be able to provide any assistance with the forum if things go wrong. Therefore you might as well host the VB forum somewhere else where the price is a bit lower. But why anyone would want to use VB is beyond me!! 3DKiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikki Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 We do not currently allow other bulletin board scripts on our hosting packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditchmonkey Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 [quote name='Mat (FDNZ)' date='15 November 2009 - 07:01 PM' timestamp='1258340517' post='1879616'] I (and IPS) disagree with your assessment. I stand corrected. Although - Rikki's statement makes me wonder whether they should really be offering general hosting under the kind of restrictions he mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mld11 Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 [quote name='Rikki' date='15 November 2009 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1258344275' post='1879622'] We do not currently allow other bulletin board scripts on our hosting packages. Thanks for the simple, yet direct reply. Good to know others have differing opinions on the matter too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nes718 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 I can host your friend's vB if you don't have too many users. Drop me a PM for details if interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 [quote name='Rikki' date='15 November 2009 - 10:04 PM' timestamp='1258344275' post='1879622'] We do not currently allow other bulletin board scripts on our hosting packages. Why is this? Seems like a strange direction of hosting. As long as the customer abides by the TOS what's wrong about having a vB, you're still focusing on a hosting service on that matter. Just wondering here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr. Jekyll Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 [quote name='Dark Slipstream' date='16 November 2009 - 05:57 AM' timestamp='1258347420' post='1879629'] Good to know others have differing opinions on the matter too. We have opinions, but Rikke speak officially. Beside, the IPS hosting is not cheap but it became quite interesting because they also include licence, server optimized for IPB and a very good assistance for the package IPB+hosting. With a vBulletin board you will have left just an expensive hosting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DKiwi Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 IPS aren't in the business of general hosting. They are in the business of providing forum hosting solutions i.e. IPB forum and hosting. They can then offer hosting solutions tailored to meet IPB forums. 3DKiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 [quote name='dr. Jekyll' date='17 November 2009 - 07:37 AM' timestamp='1258400224' post='1879801'] We have opinions, but Rikke speak officially. Beside, the IPS hosting is not cheap but it became quite interesting because they also include licence, server optimized for IPB and a very good assistance for the package IPB+hosting. With a vBulletin board you will have left just an expensive hosting Actually, only community hosting packages have a license (and no website space). The web hosting packages have no license. [quote name='3DKiwi' date='17 November 2009 - 01:36 PM' timestamp='1258421815' post='1879906'] IPS aren't in the business of general hosting. They are in the business of providing forum hosting solutions i.e. IPB forum and hosting. They can then offer hosting solutions tailored to meet IPB forums. 3DKiwi Actually, they are in the business of general hosting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DKiwi Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The bandwidth is very low. Not really comparable to similar prices with other hosting companies. 3DKiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 True, but your specific statement was that they aren't in the business of general hosting, which they are. I won't comment on their actual plans in public areas of their own forums - you can probably gauge what I think of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3DKiwi Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Whatever!! 3DKiwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FKABS Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 what hosting company wouldn't allow vbulletin hosting? did they allow any type of discussion board being hosted? sounds a bit ridiculous to me to single out vbulletin sorry to get off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkal Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I used to be hosted by Invision. It is a good starting website if you don't need a whole lot. I don't think IPB's focus is hosting, but as an extra service to their customers. Its also a great way to have your first website and be able to test the ipb board, but it had its limitations as those boards were encoded so a lot of third party addons did not work with it at the time. Every time I want to come back, I found that I really can't as I have outgrown their hosting. They used to have webservers showing on their website, but I don't see that either. Wish they would have reseller accounts (ones with multiple cpanels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 [quote name='Brandon Sheley' date='17 November 2009 - 05:05 PM' timestamp='1258434333' post='1879937'] what hosting company wouldn't allow vbulletin hosting? did they allow any type of discussion board being hosted? sounds a bit ridiculous to me to single out vbulletin sorry to get off topic If you actually read what Rikki said, he indicated that they forbid any non-IPB discussion software being hosted. Of course, if we logically extend that why is not Joomla, Wordpress, Moveable Type, Coppermine, aMember, etc, forbidden as they also compete with IPS products. It just seems a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 What you're discussing is very theoretical - the number of people who have genuinely wanted to use another forum software on our hosting I could count on one hand - and the reason is usually they want to transfer and then convert to IP.Board. De jure, we do not allow several competing products due to various reasons - a list of the products we don't allow is in the hosting policies: http://www.invisionpower.com/legal/hosting_policies.php De facto... well, nobody ever wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 And just to prove you're not playing favourites, I see you ban Matts old project (IkonBoard) too. And... Unreal Portal? That IPB mod? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyF Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 [quote name='Mat (FDNZ)' date='17 November 2009 - 09:42 AM' timestamp='1258450930' post='1879977'] And... Unreal Portal? That IPB mod? That one is listed as being too resource intensive. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarber Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I think this should be common sense if you guys think about it for a little bit. :) We offer a bulletin board product, so it's not really in our interests to offer hosting for competing products. There are other reasons (some have exploits, some are resource intensive, etc.) why we may not allow specific individual scripts as well (such as Unreal Portal). I think there are plenty of other hosts available if you want to host a phpbb or vb board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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