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  On 5/18/2023 at 10:07 AM, Marc Stridgen said:

The reality is, in order to prevet spam, they need to first of all be known to be spam.

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This is where the Akismet proposal I suggested comes into play. The spammers will indeed be known because the system will have detected already. They don't rely on waiting for assaulted forum admins to mass report things. Their algorithm is good enough to detect it on the first encounter in nearly all cases and then everyone using the same system benefits from that.

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  On 5/18/2023 at 9:49 PM, Arthmoor said:

This is where the Akismet proposal I suggested comes into play. The spammers will indeed be known because the system will have detected already. They don't rely on waiting for assaulted forum admins to mass report things. Their algorithm is good enough to detect it on the first encounter in nearly all cases and then everyone using the same system benefits from that.

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There does seem to be somewhat of an assumption of how the spam service works, which is not entirely correct. We do not rely solely on reports from admin.

In almost all cases, we find that systems are simply not set up in the way we recommend. This being the case, even adding Akismet would not solve an issue, as people have to actually use it, like the current features. No system will work if they aren't being used. I would say, Askimet is also far from perfect, having used it myself. It is good, but doesn't appear any better than setting things up correctly on our system

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My basic point is that Akismet would never have allowed those airline spammers everyone is getting hit by to post anything, even right out of the gate on a fresh account. The current system in IPS appears to be almost entirely defensive/reactive in nature and has proven wholly ineffective at handling the problem.

Even when setting up hCaptcha at "difficult" level, the problem remains. The only other advice I've seen you guys or anyone else give is to pay $20 for the CleanTalk app. While I'm sure that's an effective solution, it's one that raises the expense of running the package as a whole and not all of us want to do that.

If there's something more you guy have to suggest on the subject, I'm sure we'd all appreciate knowing.

I've been using Akismet for years on non-standard packages it wasn't even meant to be used on, and it's proven solid and reliable. Spammers have yet to succeed in bypassing it for posting, and only occasionally get past it for initial account registration.

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FYI my community was spammed by the airline spammers for weeks.  

It was very frustrating.  The suggestions posted above by IPS are insufficient.  I customized and enabled ALL spam prevention options in the ACP.  I even rotated and changed these options in a near daily basis (eg. Switch from hcaptcha to recaptcha, then back to hcaptcha) and rotated through unique and highly customized challenge questions. I even enabled profile completion with required steps where users were forced to upload profile pictures and fill out their profiles. This would delay the spam by one or two days, but the spam kept coming through.  

It was so bad back in January and February that I turned off registrations completely for several weeks. 

When I backtraced the IP addresses, I discovered even more accounts in my member database that were inactive and never used for spamming.  

If you're being hit by waves of spam, the spam prevention in the ACP is only one part of your arsenal.  I took additional steps including: 

- installing the third party Cleantalk.

- Moderating all new posts (Ive never liked this step, because it slows down the engagement of new users. My sites activity is at a level where new members post almost every hour, so I had to expand my moderation team.)

- Requiring profile completion (I've never liked this step, because it applies and frustrates ALL users) 

- Requiring strong password and 2FA

- Aggressively rotating and changing up Spam Prevention options.  (This was probably the least effective strategy) 

Posted
  On 5/20/2023 at 11:17 AM, Joel R said:

Aggressively rotating and changing up Spam Prevention options.  (This was probably the least effective strategy) 

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It would actually add to the issue also, as you are essentially always at some point switching to one which is not as effective. 

Im interested as to whether or not you upped the sensitivity on hCAPTCHA? I ask as thats tended to be effective in most cases I have tried.

Of course, adding additional measures as you have mentioned there is never going to hurt, and glad you managed to get the issue resolved for yourself. In your case, you found you did need extra, however you had also made sure things were set up correctly first of all. My point above was that in many cases (most) we find they havent been. So its always advisable to do that in the first instance.

  On 5/19/2023 at 9:35 PM, Arthmoor said:

My basic point is that Akismet would never have allowed those airline spammers everyone is getting hit by to post anything, even right out of the gate on a fresh account. The current system in IPS appears to be almost entirely defensive/reactive in nature and has proven wholly ineffective at handling the problem.

Even when setting up hCaptcha at "difficult" level, the problem remains. The only other advice I've seen you guys or anyone else give is to pay $20 for the CleanTalk app. While I'm sure that's an effective solution, it's one that raises the expense of running the package as a whole and not all of us want to do that.

If there's something more you guy have to suggest on the subject, I'm sure we'd all appreciate knowing.

I've been using Akismet for years on non-standard packages it wasn't even meant to be used on, and it's proven solid and reliable. Spammers have yet to succeed in bypassing it for posting, and only occasionally get past it for initial account registration.

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Of course feel free to post that up as a suggestion in our feedback area, as mentioned 🙂 

Posted
  On 5/22/2023 at 10:23 PM, Arthmoor said:

I did, back in January, but there's been no indication of any interest from IPS at all.

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We wont necessarily respond to everything, but they are all certainly read and considered

Posted
  On 5/23/2023 at 8:55 AM, Marc Stridgen said:

We wont necessarily respond to everything, but they are all certainly read and considered

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Hello Marc and everyone,

So my new forum has gotten hit by the spammers already. I also had this problem at my old forum, but I recall we were able to approve all first posts from new members and this squashed it, but I don't see that ability in the backend now. Is it not possible? I don't see such a setting or am I blind?

Thanks for any help, 
Jason

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  On 5/23/2023 at 3:44 PM, Combat_Pilot_Jason said:

So my new forum has gotten hit by the spammers already. I also had this problem at my old forum, but I recall we were able to approve all first posts from new members and this squashed it, but I don't see that ability in the backend now. Is it not possible? I don't see such a setting or am I blind?

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ACP -> Members -> Groups -> edit your base member group -> Content tab -> Require approval before content shows?

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  On 5/23/2023 at 3:58 PM, Jim M said:

ACP -> Members -> Groups -> edit your base member group -> Content tab -> Require approval before content shows?

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I must be blind I do not see such a setting there.

Jason

  On 5/23/2023 at 3:58 PM, Jim M said:

ACP -> Members -> Groups -> edit your base member group -> Content tab -> Require approval before content shows?

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Ok I finally found it, but does it apply only to a user's first post or every post? I wans to hold only their first post.

Jason

Edited by Combat_Pilot_Jason
Posted

One of my sites got hit early this morning by 92 spammer accounts with hCaptcha on Difficult.  Same airline attack wave I've had some spammers join from over the last week or two, but nothing with this kind of volume in such a short period.  Worst attack I've had on that site in over 10 years.  Had to put the site into email confirmation + admin approval for now.  

Posted (edited)
  On 5/25/2023 at 8:29 PM, Randy Calvert said:

If it's spamming the same thing, look at the IP addresses and see if they are in the same range.  If so, block the /24.  

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Nope, they're all over...little bit of reuse but not a ton.  Majority of spot checks passed with a spam score of 1.

nojon88181	nojon88181@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 04:46	2402:1f00:8000:800::19a8	Asia/Kolkata
hud9304	hud93047@zbock.com	2023-05-25 05:08	207.244.127.168	America/Los_Angeles
tnd89615	tnd89615@omeie.com	2023-05-25 05:14	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:e045:bde5:acef:97d4	Asia/Kolkata
sidmohan	hewabej348@introace.com	2023-05-25 05:55	2401:4900:1f38:26ac:48c6:c940:c2f2:cab	Asia/Kolkata
Elena	hivivow758@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 06:02	49.50.79.127	Asia/Kolkata
dashi	wakajov941@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 06:11	49.50.79.127	Asia/Kolkata
John245	avdeshraghav66@gmail.com	2023-05-25 06:13	49.50.79.127	Asia/Kolkata
Nick7685	tayoj72801@favilu.com	2023-05-25 06:14	37.120.141.90	Asia/Kolkata
sara	fokeri1070@introace.com	2023-05-25 06:25	2401:4900:1f38:26ac:48c6:c940:c2f2:cab	Asia/Kolkata
yojolog996	yojolog996@lifezg.com	2023-05-25 06:35	2605:6440:5007:1000::15ca	Asia/Kolkata
kuhbitj3310	teresia14@mailtouiq.com	2023-05-25 06:35	180.151.20.76	Asia/Colombo
Miller Robert	milerrobertusa@gmail.com	2023-05-25 06:40	2409:4055:495:8176:daff:33fd:b293:fc13	Asia/Kolkata
vipal54038	vipal54038@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 06:51	2405:201:4008:1893:e0bd:6369:bd65:e936	Asia/Kolkata
hanzel0121	hanzel.theophilus@minofangle.org	2023-05-25 07:02	2401:4900:5ac8:2d9a:2075:8819:596f:c232	Asia/Kolkata
nduaor	nduaor@internetkeno.com	2023-05-25 07:28	185.198.240.65	Asia/Kolkata
das324	ymypnuv@mailto.plus	2023-05-25 07:29	89.187.178.176	Asia/Kolkata
hasali2049	hasali2049@favilu.com	2023-05-25 07:39	185.209.160.122	Asia/Kolkata
AirlinesSupport2023	goyoboj364@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 07:39	2605:6440:4010:6000::b74c	America/Los_Angeles
piemrgn	piemrgn@gofsrhr.com	2023-05-25 07:40	191.101.132.27	Asia/Kolkata
jftfki333	jftfki333@outlook.com	2023-05-25 07:44	191.101.132.27	Asia/Kolkata
rafes11379	rafes11379@favilu.com	2023-05-25 07:46	181.214.107.51	Asia/Kolkata
huntersquad	huntersquad@matchmatepro.com	2023-05-25 07:47	63.135.161.63	Asia/Kolkata
jhoana	jhoana.1@mailtouiq.com	2023-05-25 07:51	98.159.224.128	Asia/Kolkata
redejong	haruto.jerric@fullangle.org	2023-05-25 07:51	45.132.115.59	Asia/Kolkata
jamesalter3232	vwpolo@mtcxmail.com	2023-05-25 07:56	117.96.8.211	Asia/Kolkata
josduuah	amdkakjdiwee22@outlook.com	2023-05-25 08:01	2402:8100:2103:fd00:58fe:e7f1:467c:bb1f	Asia/Kolkata
dokok48068	dokok48068@cutefier.com	2023-05-25 08:02	95.142.124.19	Asia/Kolkata
Ticketbookingnumber	poppy4893hug@gmail.com	2023-05-25 08:15	2405:201:4034:28c2:b03d:7753:45c0:df4a	Asia/Kolkata
foxofyxo	foxofyxo@socam.me	2023-05-25 08:18	2409:4063:4d15:4c31:2883:2c49:ccb3:275b	Asia/Kolkata
kemeko7372	kemeko7372@farebus.com	2023-05-25 08:22	68.235.32.237	Asia/Kolkata
Janaria01	nathancurtis6763+rmmjs@outlook.com	2023-05-25 08:27	2405:204:148d:8217:e852:f610:2eaa:c54	Asia/Kolkata
koyib82511	koyib82511@cutefier.com	2023-05-25 08:36	212.102.60.172	Asia/Kolkata
dcr47008	dcr47008@zbock.com	2023-05-25 08:52	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:2df6:5d42:7678:570c	America/Los_Angeles
dfghjkwe4r4etr	dfghjkwe4r4etr@outlook.com	2023-05-25 08:55	5.62.59.43	Asia/Kolkata
gje02274	gje02274@omeie.com	2023-05-25 08:58	5.62.59.43	Asia/Kolkata
xeyedo1952	xeyedo1952@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 09:14	2.57.168.77	Asia/Kolkata
bullguard87	lexaxopolski@cashbackr.com	2023-05-25 09:14	192.155.89.144	America/Los_Angeles
sdjakdj	uvaismalik1999@outlook.com	2023-05-25 09:18	2402:8100:2105:bd6f:58fe:e7f1:467c:bb1f	Asia/Kolkata
denilson	denilson.khaleil@fullangle.org	2023-05-25 09:23	2.57.168.12	Asia/Kolkata
zerrick	zerrick.markease@fullangle.org	2023-05-25 09:24	98.159.224.108	Asia/Kolkata
jaraver36	jaraver360@duscore.com	2023-05-25 09:25	37.120.141.90	Asia/Kolkata
cibebeg130	cibebeg130@introace.com	2023-05-25 09:32	45.131.195.235	Asia/Kolkata
devidsergil	devidsergil786@gmail.com	2023-05-25 09:33	103.174.165.97	Asia/Kolkata
difere5800	difere5800@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 09:39	51.15.78.81	Asia/Kolkata
sdfghj	sdfghj@full-news.servehttp.com	2023-05-25 09:39	212.102.33.132	Asia/Kolkata
tayofex	tayofex960@dietna.com	2023-05-25 09:42	2605:6440:5007:1000::1c6	Asia/Kolkata
mokeda4847	mokeda4847@fabtivia.com	2023-05-25 09:49	2605:6440:5007:1000::15ca	Asia/Kolkata
dolafef464	dolafef464@farebus.com	2023-05-25 09:54	162.253.68.169	Asia/Kolkata
givagol701	givagol701@mevori.com	2023-05-25 09:57	2401:4900:1f3d:c265:b110:4bf7:1bfb:b1f0	Asia/Kolkata
pibate7366	pibate7366@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 09:59	98.159.33.18	Asia/Kolkata
Bebo	befepow998@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 09:59	2401:4900:3d33:245:ce6:4fdf:6bc3:112c	America/Los_Angeles
QuickBooks Support	bpddts@internetkeno.com	2023-05-25 10:07	2401:4900:1f38:26ac:18d8:4fcd:f9d6:4256	Asia/Kolkata
kasra0121	kasra.venson@minofangle.org	2023-05-25 10:10	2401:4900:5ac8:2d9a:2075:8819:596f:c232	Asia/Kolkata
xowoguzy	xowoguzy@socam.me	2023-05-25 10:15	2409:4063:4d15:4c31:709d:71a5:4ac0:29d3	Asia/Kolkata
davetor639	davetor639@duscore.com	2023-05-25 10:17	2409:4053:d9c:b807:293e:fd7a:b650:b6e3	Asia/Kolkata
ghastly	woxogon587@introace.com	2023-05-25 10:20	2401:4900:3d33:245:30f7:71fb:8c96:843c	America/Los_Angeles
qhd7826	qhd78262@nezid.com	2023-05-25 10:22	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:fdda:a29b:f90c:8dcf	America/Los_Angeles
sjdaoda	ddjakdkadda@outlook.com	2023-05-25 10:23	172.98.86.176	Asia/Kolkata
gunupark	cifepiy799@mevori.com	2023-05-25 10:24	95.142.127.21	America/Los_Angeles
froggy	rayiwe6376@introace.com	2023-05-25 10:24	2401:4900:3d33:245:30f7:71fb:8c96:843c	America/Los_Angeles
Dumbo	kaveyo4562@mevori.com	2023-05-25 10:27	165.231.33.234	America/Los_Angeles
jsodjsidi	joaiduuww2233@hotmail.com	2023-05-25 10:28	2401:4900:5c2f:a4a2:111b:7c53:b240:8ef5	Asia/Kolkata
jameswalker54674	djnovitsky@eewmaop.com	2023-05-25 10:29	110.227.134.127	Asia/Kolkata
aroger25may	aroger25may@and-reviewed.servehttp.com	2023-05-25 10:31	107.181.178.75	Asia/Kolkata
draron135	draron1357@bunnyboo.it	2023-05-25 10:33	94.140.8.103	Asia/Kolkata
nbdbbcfxvb	vovowe9060@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 10:34	143.42.114.36	America/Los_Angeles
mojudufov.cisufihet	mojudufov.cisufihet@rungel.net	2023-05-25 10:37	23.105.110.216	America/Los_Angeles
dfghj	dfghj@news-today.blogsyte.com	2023-05-25 10:40	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:85b8:26c2:e24d:2bdc	Asia/Kolkata
wivaje7320	wivaje7320@farebus.com	2023-05-25 10:40	2401:4900:c12:74a6:9476:8af4:bfa2:e773	Asia/Kolkata
Thomaswalters	thomas.65walter@gmail.com	2023-05-25 10:50	2400:adc7:14d:d200:5038:7efb:83cb:eebf	Asia/Karachi
Haryvey John	travtaskflight@gmail.com	2023-05-25 10:53	110.235.232.134	Asia/Kolkata
tinavag749	tinavag749@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 11:01	2.57.168.101	Asia/Kolkata
bovahe	bovahe3623@favilu.com	2023-05-25 11:04	2401:4900:1f38:26ac:dcb3:2aa8:28ae:7d99	Asia/Kolkata
heyow	heyow60888@favilu.com	2023-05-25 11:10	2401:4900:1f38:26ac:dcb3:2aa8:28ae:7d99	Asia/Kolkata
asedrftyui	asedrftyui@miami-blogs.servesarcasm.com	2023-05-25 11:11	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:9543:85fe:b704:f8e7	Asia/Kolkata
yiwifar72	yiwifar723@duscore.com	2023-05-25 11:36	2a07:23c0:0:9000::34ad	Asia/Kolkata
mmgvofkmo	vimopevos@rungel.net	2023-05-25 11:40	223.190.83.146	Asia/Kolkata
riyaca	xefomat360@cutefier.com	2023-05-25 11:41	103.103.59.247	Asia/Kolkata
hepigah915	hepigah915@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 11:48	2607:6b80:3:1003::a862	Asia/Kolkata
tytvj	qapecubumo@gotgel.org	2023-05-25 11:55	223.190.83.146	America/Los_Angeles
wgr4e	q.bonlinee@gmail.com	2023-05-25 11:57	223.190.83.146	America/Los_Angeles
kivyryqo	kivyryqo@finews.biz	2023-05-25 11:58	2604:4300:c00a::39	Asia/Kolkata
wsert	ttu45201@zslsz.com	2023-05-25 12:01	2401:4900:1f37:c44f:5d9a:fc3c:7932:2744	America/Los_Angeles
qekypa	qekypa@afia.pro	2023-05-25 12:05	2a07:23c0:0:7000::1f68	Asia/Kolkata
faran sona	lehivanapuc@jollyfree.com	2023-05-25 12:11	223.190.83.146	Asia/Kolkata
wehifay119	wehifay119@pgobo.com	2023-05-25 12:13	2.57.168.46	Asia/Kolkata
faran host	tevecejino@gotgel.org	2023-05-25 12:17	122.161.91.68	Asia/Kolkata
Hentymeh99	kegojew999@goflipa.com	2023-05-25 12:20	68.235.38.170	Asia/Kolkata
wanatve	wanatverasyn.vn12.7.9@gmail.com	2023-05-25 12:36	2409:4050:2d08:9ea2:e497:3342:6143:4e23	Asia/Kolkata
ulzeglvu	ulzeglvu@internetkeno.com	2023-05-25 13:22	182.69.182.215	Asia/Kolkata
daeaybfz	daeaybfz@internetkeno.com	2023-05-25 13:27	84.239.14.148	Asia/Kolkata
devid larry	sjdjaieedddk442@outlook.com	2023-05-25 13:52	2401:4900:5a3f:bf69:6c0e:3337:2c05:ce07	Asia/Kolkata
alexpetters3776	alexkhan3776@gmail.com	2023-05-25 14:05	223.236.213.190	Asia/Kolkata
texemi3272	texemi3272@duscore.com	2023-05-25 14:31	180.151.17.101	Asia/Kolkata
quickb	rayinof533@cutefier.com	2023-05-25 14:33	122.161.91.68	Asia/Kolkata
rainhict	rainhict@fullmails.com	2023-05-25 14:49	178.238.11.131	Asia/Kolkata
gumedefaje	gumedefaje@jollyfree.com	2023-05-25 15:04	122.161.91.68	Asia/Kolkata
mukunuri	mukunuri@lyft.live	2023-05-25 15:04	2607:6b80:7:3003::141b	Asia/Kolkata

 

  On 5/25/2023 at 8:21 PM, Jim M said:

They are easily Google-able so you may have already been hit by a human who went through them all or a smart AI.

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Not sure what you can add where an answer can't be found online or via AI.  If I make it that esoteric, no one will be able to register 🙂

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  On 5/25/2023 at 9:00 PM, Clover13 said:

If I make it that esoteric, no one will be able to register 🙂

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You want it hard enough to bypass those not interested in your niche but not easy enough, someone can get it by one quick Google search 🙂 . I would say coming up with good questions/answers will be hard and it will indeed take you time to experiment to find that good blend. 

  • Management
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Spam is very frustrating, and we've been having discussions at what we can do about it.

In the mean time, the best way to avoid spammers posting publicly is to set your default members group to require post approval until 2 pieces of content have been manually approved.

Could contain: Page, Text(ACP > Members > Groups > Content tab)

Whilst it means you'll need to approve the posts of new members, it will stop spammers from getting visible content. Remember to flag those accounts as spammers so it feeds back to our system. We do use various tools to determine spam, including various honey pot databases but it can take a short while to catch up with fresh waves.

We want to put more focus into post-registration spam capturing in the near future.

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  On 5/25/2023 at 9:44 PM, Matt said:

Spam is very frustrating, and we've been having discussions at what we can do about it.

In the mean time, the best way to avoid spammers posting publicly is to set your default members group to require post approval until 2 pieces of content have been manually approved.

Could contain: Page, Text(ACP > Members > Groups > Content tab)

Whilst it means you'll need to approve the posts of new members, it will stop spammers from getting visible content. Remember to flag those accounts as spammers so it feeds back to our system. We do use various tools to determine spam, including various honey pot databases but it can take a short while to catch up with fresh waves.

We want to put more focus into post-registration spam capturing in the near future.

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We were hit with multiple waves of the "airline spam" for several weeks.  To the point where I turned off my registrations.  

I do agree that moderator approval for the first few posts were one of the most effective strategies for dealing with spam.  However, that's ultimately a bad experience for all new users. It essentially imposes a cost on all legitimate new users.  

Looking back, I should have used Word Filters to automatically mark any posts with the word airlines for moderator approval.  That would have been a much more targeted method.  

  On 5/25/2023 at 9:11 PM, Jim M said:

You want it hard enough to bypass those not interested in your niche but not easy enough, someone can get it by one quick Google search 🙂 . I would say coming up with good questions/answers will be hard and it will indeed take you time to experiment to find that good blend. 

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This is the standard advice given to most community owners, but I question the assumptions behind this standard advice.  

The reality is that challenge questions actually need to be acceptable to all legitimate users, which means catering to a fairly low common denominator.  I don't have data, but I'm almost certain that if IPS conducts an analysis of its communities, my hypothesis is that almost all communities would have simplistic and "Google-able" answers that anyone can answer with questions that are not domain-specific. You set the questions even moderately challenging to the average user, and you start to thwart legitimate registrations.  

My insight on challenge questions is not to make harder questions, but to make MORE questions.  If a user is randomly presented with one challenge question per registration and you have 3 challenge questions, the spambot (or person who is directing the spam bot) will need - at a minimum - 3 attempts to correctly answer all challenge questions.  If you have 10 challenge questions, the spambot will need at least 10 attempts to answer all challenge questions.  With the randomness of challenge questions, it actually becomes exponentially harder for the spambot to capture all of the answers as you increase the number of questions.  

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  On 5/26/2023 at 1:08 AM, Joel R said:

The reality is that challenge questions actually need to be acceptable to all legitimate users, which means catering to a fairly low common denominator.  I don't have data, but I'm almost certain that if IPS conducts an analysis of its communities, my hypothesis is that almost all communities would have simplistic and "Google-able" answers that anyone can answer with questions that are not domain-specific. You set the questions even moderately challenging to the average user, and you start to thwart legitimate registrations.  

My insight on challenge questions is not to make harder questions, but to make MORE questions.  If a user is randomly presented with one challenge question per registration and you have 3 challenge questions, the spambot (or person who is directing the spam bot) will need - at a minimum - 3 attempts to correctly answer all challenge questions.  If you have 10 challenge questions, the spambot will need at least 10 attempts to answer all challenge questions.  With the randomness of challenge questions, it actually becomes exponentially harder for the spambot to capture all of the answers as you increase the number of questions.  

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Fair question there. 

The reasoning behind this, is its simple to code a bot to read the answered question at the top of google (or indeed other search areas). So if you put something like "what is 2+2" it will actually give you the answer, rather than you needing to click through search results.

With the second part on making it easy for users, I completely agree. However, that is going completely the other way of thinking. You don't have to put a hard physics question in order to avoid the answers being given simply by Google. As an example, if you ran a site fourpaws.com which is a site for dogs, you could put the question "What animal is this site about?" which Google cannot possibly guess as it doesn't know the context. "What is the number in the title of this site" is another good example. Both very simple for a user, but impossible for Google to know without being given more context.

 

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Just a suggestion, but it might be easier for Invision to use or invest in AI to simply scan posts of new users for bullfaeces spam content and then auto-ban or suspend the account if detected. If they can use AI why can't we? 

For instance - the fist post of a new account is automatically held while it is scanned and if it passes it is then posted. If the post is spam it is automatically held for manual review by the forum owner who can then delete. 

To me this is what Captcha should be focused on not puzzles.

Jason

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  On 5/26/2023 at 7:16 PM, Combat_Pilot_Jason said:

Just a suggestion, but it might be easier for Invision to use or invest in AI to simply scan posts of new users for bullfaeces spam content and then auto-ban or suspend the account if detected. If they can use AI why can't we? 

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No need for AI, they just need to incorporate support for Akismet. That's already wildly effective even for first time posts. It's why I keep pushing on this every time the subject of what to do comes up.

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