Pickems X

[BradTBP]

On 7/10/2023 at 9:18 AM, BradTBP said:

Thanks for working on this.  As soon as the update is available, I will try again!  

Just to follow up I installed the update and have run sitemap and everything is fine.  I haven't yet added a new contest, but will soon.  Thanks for the fix!

[Midnight Modding]

20 hours ago, BradTBP said:

Just to follow up I installed the update and have run sitemap and everything is fine.  I haven't yet added a new contest, but will soon.  Thanks for the fix!

No problem. I try my best to fix bugs quickly. Sometimes I even like it, but this one was frustrating to figure out and then it was putting acp links in the sitemap because I had some code in that originated from a different app. lol.

I am still trying to think if there's some nice big feature to add in, but it may become too bloated like if I added betting in. Hopefully I can get brackets all worked out, but I spent a TON of time on it already, so hate to then totally redo it because of the bug in the ip.suite form.

[BradTBP]

Building out a couple pick ems and so far so good.

On the weekly one I am testing, I got an email reminder to pick - that is nice!

If you're up for some feature enhancements, I will provide them as I get more familiar with the app.

Thanks!

[Midnight Modding]

Glad that worked because I think I changed that code up to account for brackets and couldn't remember if I had remembered to be sure it still worked for standard ones. Off the top of my mind I can't remember when it even sends those out. Seems like in a weekly one it may do it for each week, but I don't 100% remember.

Maybe at some point I should add commenting in, but I think the guy who originally had me make this just didn't care about it and they commented in a forum topic, I think.

I would like to improve the look of some areas, but I am limited in being able to design.

[BradTBP]

I am testing a "weekly" contest by setting up five games over five days (to test faster).  I'm into Day Two and Game Two is not available to pick.  No email either.  What systemically should make Game 2/Week 2 come available?  Game One has been picked. played, and winning team marked.  Thanks.

[BradTBP]

Disregard.  I see where I "end week" in listing of games is.  I ended first week and now second week is up for pick.  that took a while to figure out..

[GazzaGarratt]

@Midnight Modding, just a thought on some pickems over here in England - we commonly see the Home Team first, not the away team. Its only really American sports that has way of looking at it. I'm just foreseeing people trying to pick the correct scores and thinking that the Home Team is the first column and then getting confused when you look at the Teams saying vs rather than 'at' which is the American way.

If there was a flip button per pool so Home team shows first on the left and then if correct score columns followed the same process that would be great!

EDIT - Also, just found that you don't see the badges at all if you select 'Correct Score' as well so if there is a way to show them visually this then this would add to the engagement.

Edited July 18, 2023 by GazzaGarratt

[Midnight Modding]

On 7/18/2023 at 5:25 AM, GazzaGarratt said:

@Midnight Modding, just a thought on some pickems over here in England - we commonly see the Home Team first, not the away team. Its only really American sports that has way of looking at it. I'm just foreseeing people trying to pick the correct scores and thinking that the Home Team is the first column and then getting confused when you look at the Teams saying vs rather than 'at' which is the American way.

If there was a flip button per pool so Home team shows first on the left and then if correct score columns followed the same process that would be great!

EDIT - Also, just found that you don't see the badges at all if you select 'Correct Score' as well so if there is a way to show them visually this then this would add to the engagement.

yeah, someone else had me change the order of them and I thought then I wish I had just added a feature to reverse them. I will add that in when I have time and look into the other.

[Midnight Modding]

On 7/18/2023 at 5:25 AM, GazzaGarratt said:

@Midnight Modding, just a thought on some pickems over here in England - we commonly see the Home Team first, not the away team. Its only really American sports that has way of looking at it. I'm just foreseeing people trying to pick the correct scores and thinking that the Home Team is the first column and then getting confused when you look at the Teams saying vs rather than 'at' which is the American way.

If there was a flip button per pool so Home team shows first on the left and then if correct score columns followed the same process that would be great!

EDIT - Also, just found that you don't see the badges at all if you select 'Correct Score' as well so if there is a way to show them visually this then this would add to the engagement.

btw I think the other guy didn't like it even on the submit results form how theyw ere ordered. Not sure if many would care on that one. You sure it would be good to do it per pool, though? I guess that would be good in case some American sports are used, although it may still confuse people if they are used to it being flipped.

[GazzaGarratt]

16 hours ago, Midnight Modding said:

btw I think the other guy didn't like it even on the submit results form how theyw ere ordered. Not sure if many would care on that one. You sure it would be good to do it per pool, though? I guess that would be good in case some American sports are used, although it may still confuse people if they are used to it being flipped.

I think you could either have the switch for Pool or even higher level in the ACP on 'Categories'. That way my category for NFL will be the way it is now and Football will be switched as we would expect it. Depends on how Americans see it I suppose.

Either way, I think you could get around it by making it clear which one you are voting for on the 'Correct Score' pick screen. Maybe by using their name rather then just scores alone? This way badges can also be used on this screen when they currently aren't used at all.

Example - Above you could put badges next to scores to help who they are selecting as for sports fans it isn't 100% clear for anyone living outside of America 🙂

You can see how on just giving the result, it probably doesn't matter for a switch as you use the name of the team and badge really well here. (i think on mobile the 'No Pick' on this screen is slightly overlapping border lines but I'm not too bothered about that for now).

If you go against the 'switch' for home and away just note that even reviewing the scores on people's picks, they will show Away vs Home, which in reality for us Brits and the rest of the world should Home vs Away. Hope this helps explain things! 🙂

[Midnight Modding]

9 hours ago, GazzaGarratt said:

I think you could either have the switch for Pool or even higher level in the ACP on 'Categories'. That way my category for NFL will be the way it is now and Football will be switched as we would expect it. Depends on how Americans see it I suppose.

Either way, I think you could get around it by making it clear which one you are voting for on the 'Correct Score' pick screen. Maybe by using their name rather then just scores alone? This way badges can also be used on this screen when they currently aren't used at all.

Example - Above you could put badges next to scores to help who they are selecting as for sports fans it isn't 100% clear for anyone living outside of America 🙂

You can see how on just giving the result, it probably doesn't matter for a switch as you use the name of the team and badge really well here. (i think on mobile the 'No Pick' on this screen is slightly overlapping border lines but I'm not too bothered about that for now).

If you go against the 'switch' for home and away just note that even reviewing the scores on people's picks, they will show Away vs Home, which in reality for us Brits and the rest of the world should Home vs Away. Hope this helps explain things! 🙂

yeah, I am almost positive that I ran into issues is why it simply has those columns titled home team and away team. Maybe because of it being a number type of input. So I'll just have to see what I can figure out. I always wished I could have gotten that picking form to be much better, but I was working within some premade ip.suite elements. Same thing with brackets. I spent a ton of time getting picking teams in the bracket to work, then realized the issue where the ip.suite wizard I was using would not give an error if they left a pick blank. Honestly, for brackets, it may come down to me HAVVING to have a default pick on each game where they can't even possibly leave it unpicked. But just would suck because it's not good having either team as defaults where a member could complain that they didn't mean to pick that one, but didn't notice it.

One thing I need to add to this app at some point is member stats pages or top lifetime members as far as best at picking winners, etc... I have tons of stats being stored, just haven't made pages showing them.

[GazzaGarratt]

@Midnight Modding started my first one...and they've already tripped over the Away box first 😭🤣 If you can find a way to get an update out ASAP to switch them somehow that would be awesome. Cheers!

[Midnight Modding]

14 hours ago, GazzaGarratt said:

@Midnight Modding started my first one...and they've already tripped over the Away box first 😭🤣 If you can find a way to get an update out ASAP to switch them somehow that would be awesome. Cheers!

ok. is it mainly on the form for picking them? Would take longer to be changing the order everywhere, although in the long run it would be better if it honors it everywhere.

I just thought that if the columns titled who was home or away then users would read it and know, but I guess some just assume it's the correct way for those particular matches and overlook it.

I probably should even have it where there could be a setting for neutral.... since some will have no home team. But if the same pool/pickem could have some games/matches with a home team and some neutral ones then the form couldn't really work right saying home team and then really there is no home team.

I think technically even in neutral ones they will just declare one the home team for listings, but would be misleading calling them one, so no clue how to really do anything regarding neutral ones.

[GazzaGarratt]

In fairness, its more of anywhere else other than America thing. Even though the teams were structured as 'Man City vs Burnley' which means the Away Team is first and the Away Team box is first, pretty much any football person would look at the fixture and think Burnley is away so put that score in the first box.

I think as an interim i've found a way around it, although it then doesn't exactly suit American sports:

In Translation I have basically swapped both mentions of Away Team to 'Home Team' and vice versa. This means that it will show correctly for most readers now. This also doesn't really impact American sports if you have it on result predictor only. If you select correct score, thats when it could get confusing to an American now.

Like you said, home and away could easily be a red herring as its not the main issue. Its all about visually matching up Team 1 in the fixture to Column 1 boxes in my opinion.

[Midnight Modding]

On 8/7/2023 at 4:32 AM, GazzaGarratt said:

In fairness, its more of anywhere else other than America thing. Even though the teams were structured as 'Man City vs Burnley' which means the Away Team is first and the Away Team box is first, pretty much any football person would look at the fixture and think Burnley is away so put that score in the first box.

I think as an interim i've found a way around it, although it then doesn't exactly suit American sports:

In Translation I have basically swapped both mentions of Away Team to 'Home Team' and vice versa. This means that it will show correctly for most readers now. This also doesn't really impact American sports if you have it on result predictor only. If you select correct score, thats when it could get confusing to an American now.

Like you said, home and away could easily be a red herring as its not the main issue. Its all about visually matching up Team 1 in the fixture to Column 1 boxes in my opinion.

someone else basically did it that way too, changing the translations. Only problem is then you'd need to keep it that way from now on, even if I do a setting, or your past results will be all reversed. I do but anyone would care who the home team was in past results already finished, though. lol. But yeah with you reversing it, it would have them the order you want everywhere else in the app too.

[Midnight Modding]

First full week of ncaa football next week. Good time to use this app. 😛 

[LiveG]

I am using it now for the FIBA World Cup.
Relly is a great app - very recommended!

[Midnight Modding]

2 hours ago, LiveG said:

I am using it now for the FIBA World Cup.
Relly is a great app - very recommended!

Thanks!

I did a bet on the FIBA world cup, but just a small one from a promo because I dumbly lost a ton of money betting a few months ago. 😞 

[Midnight Modding]

I knocked $15 off the price for a while, since we're on the final month of marketplace being here and also it being in the middle of most of the American sports seasons. Although, nba season starts this month also and nhl I think.

[Nathan Explosion]

3 hours ago, Midnight Modding said:

I knocked $15 off the price for a while

Just in case you mean that you did that in here - purchases were disabled on 15th September.

[Midnight Modding]

On 10/3/2023 at 1:10 AM, Nathan Explosion said:

Just in case you mean that you did that in here - purchases were disabled on 15th September.

wow, really? I wish I had known that. All i saw was the closing date and the payout deadline.