Quotes

I am getting fed up with this too. I don’t want to filter I just want to disable. How can that be done?

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

The existence of this topic is enough to tell you some people are unhappy with this change.
We could have it both ways with an option to minimise the new additional header space - e.g. disable follow section, reposition, toggle
Both viewpoints can co-exist but at the moment only one is being catered for.

The existence of this topic is enough to tell you some people are unhappy with this change.
We could have it both ways with an option to minimise the new additional header space - e.g. disable follow section, reposition, toggle
Both viewpoints can co-exist but at the moment only one is being catered for.

Except Google frowns on content being pushed so far dow below the fold.  Bad SEO.

Maybe a toggle button to enable compact view in all categories / topics of the forum?

It's Full HD. The main content is marked in green. More than half of the screen at the top is occupied by secondary useless information.

And if we use a logo with a large header, then the main content will generally be at the very bottom of the page.

Just compare this:

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

So standard installs of a forum only are not considered core business?
Sorry but this isn't open source software, we have paid subscriptions, and having already been told by Invision they don't want to discuss it, and seeing people being asked to dial down "criticism" here only makes customers feel unloved. Maybe developers don't want to put as much weight behind design issues as they do functionality but seeing so much white space looks very amateur. Not forgetting a topic list relegated down near the fold is going to impact engagement.
And if we are talking components (to cover multiple scenarios) then why can't we switch this section off?
I hope you can appreciate that members posting here probably represent multiple installs, and have to explain this to their clients too. If you can't handle the negative feedback from us then try dealing with it when it comes from the front line.
This isn't a political hot potato... just a straightforward design issue arising from an update... it can be fixed if someone is prepared to listen.

I said most of this in beta stage but it meant nothing

I don't have a problem with calling this aspect of the design "terrible" because it is.
The previous version had the follow button on the same level as the Forum title.
Somebody made the "terrible" decision to move this button into acres of precious vertical space, all on its own. What was wrong with leaving it where it was? Why is this necessary? If it had to be moved below the title as an essential button then why not place it beside the start topic button?
Or if a follow button is of such paramount importance to be a leading feature for the landing page, why not go full width?
You've probably all heard of the "hero image" ... welcome to its successor, the "hero button"

The problem is that every update breaks our customizations. I am tired of this never-ending cycle of chasing a moving target. The default skin is finally good enough I feel okay just replacing the header and footer with our own. So in spite of my criticism, things actually are moving in the right direction.
I don't think it is possible to ever get the skin perfect:
Google is forcing everyone to use "responsive design" which massively complicates everything. If we had a free-market economic system the government would shut down monopolistic practices like this, but I digress. IPB is a collection of applications with some shared functionality, and that modularity of features will always lead to some tricky design choices. So I think we can reasonably expect to see some awkward spacing in various parts of the design. However, I think some more effort should be put into improving the most common parts of the most commonly used functionality, and the forum topics list is probably one of the top three pages that get viewed most frequently in the software.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about 👍🏻
I wrote about this and showed it on screenshots many times before the release of 4.5. I hope that at least after this discussion, the developers will pay attention to the problem of huge empty space, which worries not only me.

Takohashi, even sadder I have been doing this for over 25 years 😂
Whatever the reasons, I do not appreciate having the topic list on my forum home page relegated to the bottom of the page so close to the fold.
I contacted Invision support before I discovered this topic but they said it's not something they can help me with.
Which is a shame because I think if you are going to reserve so much space at the top of a page you should at least have some kind of control over it, such as repositioning or disabling.
Is there a converter for Ikonboard? I might go back to using that if this is the way things are going.
 

I can take a screenshot of forum 4.4 where everything was fine.
Lol!

Why did they move the follow button to a separate line, which takes up a HUGE white space??? Previously, this button was in the title bar and did not take up extra space. Read "Web Design For Dummies" before commenting here.