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At this stage, any discussion about 5.0 should be about the architecture (dev side) of the product imo. Unless a drastic new feature is planned that would warrant going to 5.0. Nothing the topic starter has suggested would qualify. 
All these features could be introduced in the 4.x series. (not that they should).
Example topic:
Should the dependency on PHP be reduced? Many modern websites work in a single page application type format. How about introducing technology such as React.js? 
What about using the power of Node.js? Could IPS software benefit from having access to npm packages?
I think I remember IPS once saying 5.0 would not have a major overall with the architecture of the software. But, seeing how fast the dev world is evolving and changing, it may not be wise decision.
 

That's a nice widget, but I want to view this data in the same context as a custom stream.
The stream creation just needs to add the necessary logic to filter out items that have no replies.
And the stream could be made default or shared.
 

 
Only been asking for this since 2009 
 
 

Soon i be looking few people to beta test new version of Who Was Online this will be little different to standard format currently being used it will count guest, members and any one sign in anonymous and option to choose layout we might look adding other options as we build new version. 

Also, make sure if you have switched to HTTPS that you add your HTTPS link to Google's search console, or it won't pick up those hits and indexes.

We've seen this being the reason that people have seen drop offs in multiple cases now. There isn't a drop off, it's just Google dropping http indexes and picking up https indexes.

Still want a way to show all content that hasn't had a reply to - as a way for moderators to make sure they have first opportunity to greet newbies. 

Hi Kevin,
I think I may be beyond help here, I gave GC a second er third attempt, at configuring it again in hopes to launch it by next year. But here are the issues that I keep coming into. I fear am just trying to force this to do something it was not designed to do.
Currently i have the app disabled so I am going from memory...
Goals
Give the ability for end users ( by permission or group ) to create personal / customized versions of apps - sub-tenants. A faux ACP for these to create and manage these groups These groups can operate independently or collective with the site the determination of the visibility is determined by end users of the site they can decide how high to build the walls, to exclude themself from content they do not share interests with. By making it an Opt-out there is more initial discovery of site wide content. Prevent anything destructive Amin has final say - if someone created a group and they tried to nuke it it would flag it and require admin approval.  Observations
The hierarchy structure of the site containers with in containers the nature of creating things needs to auto create the base level category or "parent" there are too many settings that novices could never understand. You could potentially get things messed up by not having things forced in to a parent container. - For example i moved several forms over to the GC and they were just there as forums but they were not apart of any "Category" when i moved them back to the forums they just got added back in at the root level of the site not apart of any category (or their original category, were they departed from) Thus making them invisible to the site because forums at the top level are excluded by nature -  the sort order was a jumble. Either they should be restored to their original location and position or when moving things back a new CATEGORY should automatically be created "Restored from Collab" and these items should appear grouped within) when you have a few dozen forums dropped on your forum list it's tedious to clean back up.
The discovery process is just a bit of a show stopper for me - I feel as soon as i move several categories of forums over to GC they would live in obscurity and it would take several direct clicks to even get to them. The main landing page for the GC when you have more then one categories is just two big black boxes and some text with more buttons you have to navigate to.. and then there is the the issue of having to go resource some abstract imagery to dress up the content with in.
I had noticed that you added the creation of links back in the forums but it only created links the the collab parent not to the individual groups. Leaving me to make make more redirect forums to the GC so that people looking at the forum index has a some idea they exist. - something i am trying to avoid managing the scaffolding.
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Here is the narrative version of what I am trying to do:  I wish have a service that i sell (or offer for free)  in my storefront (commerce) when someone purchase this service it may include adding banner advertisements. Then they get elevated to a specific group. Once there they will have their Faux ACP where they can create forums, blogs, galleries, downloads, calendars, etc. This 'affiliate' is using my site as their front end tech support that their tech staff augment the community at large to assist in solving the posters issues. moderates of this group would receive notifications of postings so that they don't forget they exist and content languishes. 
Currently i have to manually setup a forum for each product the affiliate needs in their category - and the category list gets very long - but it is at least discoverable. I'd like to allow someone to manage these forums ( the text / the imagery / order / who is assigned to moderate etc. ) but don't want them to have access to the real ACP.
- humbly Stephen
 

I had to turn off GC and move the few forums I had back to the main site - Why?
I've had a few requests to restore Tapatalk and in their current iteration it ignores the GC (haven't decided yet - not personally fond of that app) it may have been the smaller forums I moved over but there was zero traction in the 3 weeks they were parked there (not one person "joined" them) no one created their own group. My biggest fear that if i moved my intended set of forums over there they would be come a data island. My main goal was to create a means for select few individuals to moderate, and manage ( create ) their own specific forums - and not give them access to the ACP - which GC does but at the cost of removing the forums from the main index and loosing discovery.
It could just be the nature of my site - the entire site focus primarily is technical in nature about one software program, and associated technologies. My goal was to use GC for my affiliates sponsors who are third party solution developers, my site is their front line for tech support of their products, however moving them to their own island that is several clicks away would increase the attrition rate.
At any rate GC works as it was designed and am still glad to participate and hope to find a purpose that is a fit to my community in the near future. 

I had to turn off GC and move the few forums I had back to the main site - Why?
I've had a few requests to restore Tapatalk and in their current iteration it ignores the GC (haven't decided yet - not personally fond of that app) it may have been the smaller forums I moved over but there was zero traction in the 3 weeks they were parked there (not one person "joined" them) no one created their own group. My biggest fear that if i moved my intended set of forums over there they would be come a data island. My main goal was to create a means for select few individuals to moderate, and manage ( create ) their own specific forums - and not give them access to the ACP - which GC does but at the cost of removing the forums from the main index and loosing discovery.
It could just be the nature of my site - the entire site focus primarily is technical in nature about one software program, and associated technologies. My goal was to use GC for my affiliates sponsors who are third party solution developers, my site is their front line for tech support of their products, however moving them to their own island that is several clicks away would increase the attrition rate.
At any rate GC works as it was designed and am still glad to participate and hope to find a purpose that is a fit to my community in the near future. 

Template: collab/front/components/nodeList
The $grid variable in the template can be adjusted to determine the threshold at which the display switches to grid view.

GC's  with redirect forums are not displaying the redirect counts.
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Redirect forums vs something built in? ( feature request )
I would like to see something built in to the GC Description or Settings page that allows the member to specify one or two url redirect link to some other site, and also have it track clicks to that site - it could appear in in the section below the cover image next to the group leader.  It would feel more modern as redirect forums take up a lot of space and break up continuity. 

How do I create a model and hide it but then not have to see it on a daily basis?
Thoughts:
1: Model Templates ( without content and hidden) should be omitted from the default view  ( and a filter next to the sort option - to show all, visible or hidden colabs) 
2: Model Templates based on existing colabs should have prompt for a generic "Model Name" so that when a user is creating a new colab the display is using the template name vs the name of an existing colab - company B creating their group based on the a company A - (who is flagged as a model) - just doesn't feel right and can be more confusing.
 

it was a cache issue i think - after resetting cache it seems to work - before it was randomly appearing on some pages not all pages. - now the header is on every page.
now wondering if it should be on every page of the collab? (creates an very tall header )

​True. Copy makes a clone of the structure, and not the content. True. The structure is re-allocated to the collaboration and therefore the content goes with it. For a move, no ID's are changed. In fact, you're not really moving anything except authority over the content. No. GC exercises no control over the language selection options for users.

Would it be possible to use this without having to create a category? My collabs fall under just one category. Right now users have to go to collabs, then choose a category to see the list of groups.

@Kevin Carwile - So far i love what this is going to become - just now getting a chance to formulate how I will deploy this.
by way of humble suggestion - I will attach a screen shot of a very basic mockup of the First Level I would like to see for Collab.
Currently on entering the collab you have just big black spaces for panoramic artwork to go in there, which means I'll now have to go re-new my subscription to iStockPhoto or some other place like that to find artwork that abstractly captures the essence of the content - sadly it will become dated very quickly and most likely be of images of a random group of office people or some other such cliche. 
This would be the first screen on entry in lieu of the pano-photos. For me the current system is too many levels deep for my users - and if I decide to move several categories and  forums over here I don't wish the people who maintain them to feel slighted or that these have become buried. 
The idea is that each Collab has its List and Grid View, and you can see at a glance the options that collab has ( apps ) and a blurb about what the group is about.  Not sure about the avatar - perhaps the member who set it up or probably the last person to contribute to the group (regardless of app) - or perhaps a logo of the group setting it up.
Also the "About Link" at the top of each collab would navigate to a basic "page" that describes what goes on here and who and what are. etc. And of course if the collab is open to allow users to add start their own via the link is there (see the second group) and also a button at the top that would be a drop down of available collabs 

humbly - stephen

@Kevin Carwile - So far i love what this is going to become - just now getting a chance to formulate how I will deploy this.
by way of humble suggestion - I will attach a screen shot of a very basic mockup of the First Level I would like to see for Collab.
Currently on entering the collab you have just big black spaces for panoramic artwork to go in there, which means I'll now have to go re-new my subscription to iStockPhoto or some other place like that to find artwork that abstractly captures the essence of the content - sadly it will become dated very quickly and most likely be of images of a random group of office people or some other such cliche. 
This would be the first screen on entry in lieu of the pano-photos. For me the current system is too many levels deep for my users - and if I decide to move several categories and  forums over here I don't wish the people who maintain them to feel slighted or that these have become buried. 
The idea is that each Collab has its List and Grid View, and you can see at a glance the options that collab has ( apps ) and a blurb about what the group is about.  Not sure about the avatar - perhaps the member who set it up or probably the last person to contribute to the group (regardless of app) - or perhaps a logo of the group setting it up.
Also the "About Link" at the top of each collab would navigate to a basic "page" that describes what goes on here and who and what are. etc. And of course if the collab is open to allow users to add start their own via the link is there (see the second group) and also a button at the top that would be a drop down of available collabs 

humbly - stephen

@Kevin Carwile - So far i love what this is going to become - just now getting a chance to formulate how I will deploy this.
by way of humble suggestion - I will attach a screen shot of a very basic mockup of the First Level I would like to see for Collab.
Currently on entering the collab you have just big black spaces for panoramic artwork to go in there, which means I'll now have to go re-new my subscription to iStockPhoto or some other place like that to find artwork that abstractly captures the essence of the content - sadly it will become dated very quickly and most likely be of images of a random group of office people or some other such cliche. 
This would be the first screen on entry in lieu of the pano-photos. For me the current system is too many levels deep for my users - and if I decide to move several categories and  forums over here I don't wish the people who maintain them to feel slighted or that these have become buried. 
The idea is that each Collab has its List and Grid View, and you can see at a glance the options that collab has ( apps ) and a blurb about what the group is about.  Not sure about the avatar - perhaps the member who set it up or probably the last person to contribute to the group (regardless of app) - or perhaps a logo of the group setting it up.
Also the "About Link" at the top of each collab would navigate to a basic "page" that describes what goes on here and who and what are. etc. And of course if the collab is open to allow users to add start their own via the link is there (see the second group) and also a button at the top that would be a drop down of available collabs 

humbly - stephen

i didn't see it mention here - but once you login to 4.0 ACP you should go to System > Support > Choose Something isn't working correctly.
it does some other tests to make sure things are done - like running some database queries, and cleaning caches. 
 
 

CG is separate from your Forum's and Forum index any groups setup are not displayed in the Forum Index. (or in the Forums Management in the ACP - or any other App) 
If you want to "advertise" the groups in your forums at this time I think we have to create banners or links that point to them until, future release does more promotion or awareness, (blocks etc )  from other contexts.
I plan to have an "affiliate" group and then several affiliate sponsors will be able to manage and maintain their own forums / blog / gallery / download / calendar.
However once I do this users looking at the forum index will not know they exists - as they will have to go elsewhere to view it. Hence we will have to at the very least mange and maintain a pointer in the main forums to the CG. (until other features come to light ) I am still in the planing stage and may also use iMenu app to make my own menus to assist with this.
The nice thing is that based on permission people looking at VNC will be able to new content posted regardless if its in the main forums or any groups independent forums. 
@Christophe - if you have a test site I encourage you to download the demo version it's a great way to kick the tires. 4.0 makes it easier to install / uninstall apps. 
If I have time later I will make a walk thru video demo - if Kevin doesn't mind or someone else doesn't beat me to it. 

 

its like renting out a room with kitchen privileges

I can try to answer some of these..
1. you (Admin) setup the "Collaboration Group" and assign permissions and what features that group can have ( forum / blog / page / downloads / gallery / calendar )
Users enter that "group" then can create their specific group name or entity with all the apps as was permitted in step 1 - however they can choose which of the apps they wish this group to have.
2. events? you mean calendar - if setup yes.
3. The group can be "reviewed" and users can "Star" the group
4. You can give the tab in the menu bar any title you wish. 
5. There is no "Copyright Notice" for the the app. 
Also when using View New Content any entry in any app for the group will appear in the respected VNC Filters.  IE - forum topics will appear in the Topics Filter
There is an additional filter for the App "Collaboration" (or your custom title) that will show which group has new content. 
The object is you the admin designate generic "Groups" or "Categories" then your members based on permissions can go in and create manage and maintain these groups, from the front end no ACP access needed.

CG is separate from your Forum's and Forum index any groups setup are not displayed in the Forum Index. (or in the Forums Management in the ACP - or any other App) 
If you want to "advertise" the groups in your forums at this time I think we have to create banners or links that point to them until, future release does more promotion or awareness, (blocks etc )  from other contexts.
I plan to have an "affiliate" group and then several affiliate sponsors will be able to manage and maintain their own forums / blog / gallery / download / calendar.
However once I do this users looking at the forum index will not know they exists - as they will have to go elsewhere to view it. Hence we will have to at the very least mange and maintain a pointer in the main forums to the CG. (until other features come to light ) I am still in the planing stage and may also use iMenu app to make my own menus to assist with this.
The nice thing is that based on permission people looking at VNC will be able to new content posted regardless if its in the main forums or any groups independent forums. 
@Christophe - if you have a test site I encourage you to download the demo version it's a great way to kick the tires. 4.0 makes it easier to install / uninstall apps. 
If I have time later I will make a walk thru video demo - if Kevin doesn't mind or someone else doesn't beat me to it. 

 

I can try to answer some of these..
1. you (Admin) setup the "Collaboration Group" and assign permissions and what features that group can have ( forum / blog / page / downloads / gallery / calendar )
Users enter that "group" then can create their specific group name or entity with all the apps as was permitted in step 1 - however they can choose which of the apps they wish this group to have.
2. events? you mean calendar - if setup yes.
3. The group can be "reviewed" and users can "Star" the group
4. You can give the tab in the menu bar any title you wish. 
5. There is no "Copyright Notice" for the the app. 
Also when using View New Content any entry in any app for the group will appear in the respected VNC Filters.  IE - forum topics will appear in the Topics Filter
There is an additional filter for the App "Collaboration" (or your custom title) that will show which group has new content. 
The object is you the admin designate generic "Groups" or "Categories" then your members based on permissions can go in and create manage and maintain these groups, from the front end no ACP access needed.

I am really enjoying what i am seeing - its like Inception for your site.

It appears the default locations Ad locations are enabled for GC.
Things to consider:
the main banner pushes down the cover index and the group covers individual custom ad content per groups? Site admin can create packages with custom ad locations for the template. GC overwrite the Default Ad Locations or be able to disable them? (perhaps by way of up$elling to the group organizer?) some other ideas - the cover photos should could possible crop down in height when you drill into the group ( group index > group menu > group app > content  )
similar to how any users profile has the main cover photo, and it reduces height when you toggle between Profile & Activity 
i'll probably have more ideas but I am coffee deprived for the past few hours and starbucks isn't open 
Stellar work!