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Thanks, but the video is 720p blurry when entering fullscreen YouTube.

That said, you can also use always JS and CSS to manipulate the output.

That is correct, you can add, but you cannot remove or modify existing data.
We do have a limited template front-end hook system (yet to be blogged) but that again does not have a replace option.

What do you need to do that custom profile fields can't do?

A few examples: 
https://invisioncommunity.com/files/file/7833-profile-field-per-user-group/
https://invisioncommunity.com/files/file/8783-enhanced-links-moderation/
There are a ton from other devs. Everywhere. For the most varied reasons and purposes.
Anyway, this is just to confirm that this will not be the game-changer; it was expected and I really don’t want to enter in another debate like the first blog entry. That’s all I have to say. 👍

Hello,
Is this part specific for content? I suppose we will be able to do this in other places too and not only in content related stuff, right? There are tons of templates and forms out there that we can extend today.

So regarding this assumed 80% of plugins being lost, the main questions I have are:
Can similar results (i.e. a client wants X added/enhanced to any part of the suite) be achieved with whatever IPS is developing for v5?  Maybe in a different way, but the same end result/solution for a client? If so, will the solutions be Marketplace sellable assets for developers? If not, how does IPS plan on addressing this clear gap in providing functionality to clients that Marketplace devs previously filled in v4? I can't imagine IPS removing the ability for devs to enhance the IPS suite in ways that IPS isn't willing to invest in doing themselves.  That would be detrimental to all parties involved.  And history (per the number of Marketplace assets) shows there are A LOT of assets/resources clients want and use that aren't part of the suite.

No issues there. He won't be able to upgrade 2/3 of them. Lots of time saved! 😂
 
Seriously, I have several apps and plugins extending classes in the /system folder. That means they're all dead for v5. So far, I don't like the direction v5 is taking at all. No matter what awesome tools you may have in place, being unable to overload (almost) all classes like before is a huge issue.
 
Well, that's it for me for now. I won't say anything further until there is more info about those "awesome tools" you mentioned. But I don't have much hope for them.

I already have, if I decide to continue developing them - as I mentioned.
I'm adding a callback to the $customValidationCode for a text field, to validate it - as I mentioned.
Unfortunately,  based on the information provided thus far, a few projects I'm working on are now dead in the water. When more information is made available, maybe they'll be resuscitated but I can't proceed with them (at this time) in all good conscience without the bigger picture.

To be clear - inside system/ directory we would have access to Content and Member folders only? What if we want to adjust/modify Output/Sitemap/Helpers/Lang etc. classes and methods inside them?

The hooking of methods seemed to me close to ideal in IPS4 (although it had big problems), I did not think that IPSs would abandon this coding trick in IC5, which helped to fill the market with excellent solutions. Disappointed. But I still hope the team will please us with good news. Pending.

I was silent so far, hoping for some revolutionary idea, but I have to agree with Adriano: with these changes modding is dead.
 
Listeners are basically the old Library hooks from 3.x, and we can no longer overload any other methods (unlike before). I won't be able to update 85%+ of my modifications with this system.
 
@Matt As an example, I see no way to update these plugins for 5.x:
 
 
Unless I'm missing something, or you have more coming to still allow them.

Thank you. 👏👍
Still, remove the ability to hook is a huge step back and will make marketplace even worse and smaller but I guess that’s the point after all. A massive number of resources are dead.
We’re basically back to IP.Board 2 (file edits will be required for custom jobs as we can’t hook) and IP.Board 3 (back to hook points era). 
Anyway, just my feedback. Not trying to annoy anyone; just my honest feedback.
Tks.

So the answer is no as there is no HOOKS tab anymore. So resources from now on will extend only official apps that I have in my license. If the user has another 3rd-party resource, it won’t work anymore because I don’t have all the marketplace resources out there to add listeners since it checks for the class. 
Great improvement. 

Sooo maybeeee you could add BIG RED TRIGGER to enable hooks with all the risk and consequences ceded to the owner of the forum?
It would be an excellent compromise.

I think it's because you are not interested in developing the market. I see a trend to close the community in the future in the cloud with paying customers, they are more profitable. IMHO. One of the advantages of IPS was its good extensibility and variety of applications and extensions.
 
 
 

Maybe. Someone say yes, other no. I have plenty private custom mods (hooks) and I can take responsible and all consequences. Now it won't be possible.
~ 85-90% I think.
I prefer to wait for more dev blog entries before I'll be more critical, but I feel close to certainty that more than 80% of my projects will not be possible on v5.
 
Nope, disagree. Hooks are powerfull.

They will be there for a couple of years for those who won’t jump in V5 right away.
File edits will be back with resources being sold in dev’s board. And for those who use marketplace and can’t use FTP, will get limited resources.
But there’s no doubt it will be the end of this marketplace and I truly believe that’s what IPS is after for a while now.
I haven’t decided yet if I will keep developing for IPS, as I told somewhere else… and I must confess the answer its getting clear at every blog entry. 
Anyway, if I remain, certainly will reduce from 300 to 50 maximum, due to… framework limitations. 😂

Controversial topic, I like it. 🫢 Adriano, good luck with the update over 300 resources 😁

Will stick with IPS4, maybe until IPS version 6 🙃🤦‍♂️

So half or more of the plugins/apps will be removed from the marketplace 🥲

Matt, could you clarify exactly what you mean with “less”. As far as we can see, there won’t be ways to use hooks anymore. Is that right? I don’t see the Hooks tab in dev center.
What you’re calling listeners that is fired in specific events can’t be called hooks at all, so I guess that’s the reason for such confusion. At least to me. 
Once and for all, will we be able to hook in class?
Thank you.

I really don't know what to say except I hope that all these modifications are full of good intentions towards customers and developers as well, which allow many of us to stay in this community rather than seeing other similar products.
I think that you can't have everything without anything, and that you have to have to give up accepting many things, even difficult for a better future product.
for the developers it will surely be a lot of work to update but I hope that afterwards there will be less work to update their applications for future versions which will then give them more time to improve them
I can understand that you close your system as much as possible in order to have a bug-free product, but I hope that you do it for the purpose of improvement and not of exclusivity
there are plenty of paid products better than yours but limited and sold by number of users. and your very strong point of the cloud it must be said is that you do not limit the number of users and views etc.
the developers can help us to have products similar to others for a very competitive price and where the cloud could then be interesting to be taken if we can have what we need without limit.
do what you have to do but be careful that the choices are not only about money because I don't think that makes a community, social product successful... we could see it a little with twitter.. .