Soniceffect Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Yes.. exactly my point. All of our 3.4.6 sites are in a bit of software development stasis for now. That's okay now that we have a general idea on when 4.0 should go gold. I don't mind waiting a few more months at this point. Me too, however this just now means that my childish mind starts writing down things that I wanna change/do in 4.0 when it gets released and the list will be more than I can develop in a lifetime LMAO
stoo2000 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I already dumbly spent all kinds of time (way more than it's worth financially) redoing a lot in an app and will have to test all these same things all over again when 4.0 comes out. It's a real pain testing, even more than the work to update apps. I launched a brand new app for 3.3/3.4 a few weeks ago, I don't regret it one bit.
CheersnGears Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Me too, however this just now means that my childish mind starts writing down things that I wanna change/do in 4.0 when it gets released and the list will be more than I can develop in a lifetime LMAO but it's a great time to organize your thoughts, develop the concepts of your ideas, and confer with your users one what they'd like to see. I already have a good list of future ideas to work on. Since we are in development hold for now, I'm using the time to write up and prioritize my plans.
CheersnGears Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I launched a brand new app for 3.3/3.4 a few weeks ago, I don't regret it one bit. Your mandrill bounce app looks excellent and I'm keeping an eye on that for the future. I'm tempted implement that one sooner than 4.0 but I am trying to restrain myself.
stoo2000 Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 Your mandrill bounce app looks excellent and I'm keeping an eye on that for the future. I'm tempted implement that one sooner than 4.0 but I am trying to restrain myself. You should, users don't remember that they need to change their email address on sites if they start using a new one. It's a great way to actually tell them that they need to keep information upto date. There's also an update coming in the next few days to 'deal' with users that click the 'spam' button in AOL/Outlook/YahooMail. But enough about that :whistle:
Dmacleo Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 been looking at it too, and it is planned for the future for me.
Jake Sully Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 will there be any beta stage before final ipb 4.0? like you guys use to have? so we all can download it and test it?
Midnight Modding Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 I launched a brand new app for 3.3/3.4 a few weeks ago, I don't regret it one bit. That's not the same as revamping an app that already exists, where it's not likely to get new buys. That's my scenario and if you saw what I had to test you'd realize nobody would ever want to have to test it again when 4.0 is out. One part of it's a foreach loop with tons of arrays of numbers all involved and if there's a bug it's extremely confusing to sort it out because there are so many combinations of things to consider in it. If you don't regret releasing an app, that's cool, but that doesn't mean all cases are the same.All I am doing is updating an existing app and after I already finished the changes it's taking forever to simply test it. From a user's standpoint, though, I don't see why they would be reluctant to purchase apps for 3.x, since they'd likely get the update to 4.0 for free. Only thing is if developers are late releasing 4.0 versions they may not want to start using an app and then have to wait for the new version.
Rhett Posted March 2, 2014 Posted March 2, 2014 will there be any beta stage before final ipb 4.0? like you guys use to have? so we all can download it and test it? Yes
HeadStand Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 That's not the same as revamping an app that already exists, where it's not likely to get new buys. That's my scenario and if you saw what I had to test you'd realize nobody would ever want to have to test it again when 4.0 is out. One part of it's a foreach loop with tons of arrays of numbers all involved and if there's a bug it's extremely confusing to sort it out because there are so many combinations of things to consider in it. If you don't regret releasing an app, that's cool, but that doesn't mean all cases are the same.All I am doing is updating an existing app and after I already finished the changes it's taking forever to simply test it. From a user's standpoint, though, I don't see why they would be reluctant to purchase apps for 3.x, since they'd likely get the update to 4.0 for free. Only thing is if developers are late releasing 4.0 versions they may not want to start using an app and then have to wait for the new version. Refactoring is part of life. It's not like you did all this work for nothing. There are many many many people that will not upgrade to 4.0 for at least another year or two, for a variety of reasons. Some of them will just be perfectly happy with what they already have. Some of them won't have budget for something as big as an overhaul but can still shell out a few dollars for a custom app or two. Some of them will take the "wait and see" approach, and will wait for all of the 3rd party hooks to be updated. Some will wait until 4.1 just to be on the safe side. It's not like the 3.4 series is going to be dead the minute 4.0 is released. I have a feeling I'll be working with 3.4 for quite some time still.
Midnight Modding Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I know, but I certainly won't be the only one who will stop adding things and bug fixing old versios, just as IPS won't add new features in both 4.x and 3.x. The example I am talking about is one where I did this huge amount of work really just because I wanted to improve things and most of it's not anything people asked for. I just think I shouldn't have taken on such a large overhaul where I will have to test almost the entire app twice now in a short amount of time. I'm also horrible at estimating how long various changes will take. I ESPECIALLY underestimate how long it takes t test after adding features. When I do custom projects I end up undercharging all the time because I don't even figure testing into it when I am coming up with prices. Anywayyyy, I will be glad when 4.0 is out where then I'll know it will be years before any huge overhaul needed again.
VyVid Productions Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 I'm hopeful for another blog entry today since we didn't get one on Friday. Can't wait to see what else 4 has in store!
Stuart 4 Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Don't think there be a blog entry today as it Monday but I could be wrong
VyVid Productions Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 Don't think there be a blog entry today as it Monday but I could be wrong They posted a blog entry two Monday's ago. But here's to hoping something comes soon. :)
Sinistra Sensei Posted March 3, 2014 Posted March 3, 2014 They posted a blog entry two Monday's ago. But here's to hoping something comes soon. :smile: Sometihing IP.Content? IP Gallery? something!
CheersnGears Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 That's not the same as revamping an app that already exists, where it's not likely to get new buys. That's my scenario and if you saw what I had to test you'd realize nobody would ever want to have to test it again when 4.0 is out. One part of it's a foreach loop with tons of arrays of numbers all involved and if there's a bug it's extremely confusing to sort it out because there are so many combinations of things to consider in it. If you don't regret releasing an app, that's cool, but that doesn't mean all cases are the same.All I am doing is updating an existing app and after I already finished the changes it's taking forever to simply test it. From a user's standpoint, though, I don't see why they would be reluctant to purchase apps for 3.x, since they'd likely get the update to 4.0 for free. Only thing is if developers are late releasing 4.0 versions they may not want to start using an app and then have to wait for the new version. Some app developers and skin developers have stated that they will not be offering free upgrades for 4.0.... not all... just some. I've actually looked into which add-ons I could discontinue prior to 4.0 so that app or hook wouldn't hold me back from upgrading. A good review to have of your site regularly, but looking at upgrading to 4.0 made me do it sooner.
Midnight Modding Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Some app developers and skin developers have stated that they will not be offering free upgrades for 4.0.... not all... just some. I've actually looked into which add-ons I could discontinue prior to 4.0 so that app or hook wouldn't hold me back from upgrading. A good review to have of your site regularly, but looking at upgrading to 4.0 made me do it sooner. I recall that some who were thinking of not having updates for free ended up changing their minds, so I bet there won't be many instances, but of course you can never be sure so I guess I would be cautious if I were the one buying apps, also. People could just ask the authors to be sure before buying something, though.
Hexsplosions Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 If it's vastly different I can see a good argument for charging for upgrades. Developers should not have to give up their time for free. If you bought a mod for IPB 3.4.X then you have received what you paid for.Just my opinion. I'm not a developer so it's not like I stand to gain if developers do charge for upgrades!
teraßyte Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 If it's vastly different I can see a good argument for charging for upgrades. Developers should not have to give up their time for free. If you bought a mod for IPB 3.4.X then you have received what you paid for. Just my opinion. I'm not a developer so it's not like I stand to gain if developers do charge for upgrades! All my paid mods have a renewal so as long as they renew they can get the upgrade, just like IPS does. But I do know that some modders do not have renewals so it surely is up to them if they want to charge an upgrade fee or not. Personally if I didn't have renewals I'd charge an upgrade fee, after all as you said if I sold the mod for 3.4 it doesn't mean I must upgrade it for free to 4.0 (unless that was stated before-hand somewhere).
Adriano Faria Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Personally if I didn't have renewals I'd charge an upgrade fee... The problem is: upload a new file to MP ? Two versions of same file ?
teraßyte Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 The problem is: upload a new file to MP ? Two versions of same file ? And that's why I charge a renewal and I don't have my files on here (yet), to avoid the hassle lol Anyway in that case I would probably go with a new file and once I get the upgrade fee I'd manually add the member.
Adriano Faria Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 And that's why I charge a renewal and I don't have my files on here (yet), to avoid the hassle lol Anyway in that case I would probably go with a new file and once I get the upgrade fee I'd manually add the member. I really want to do this but it will be a widespread whimper! :nuke: Really don't know what to do! :hmm:
HeadStand Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 Some app developers and skin developers have stated that they will not be offering free upgrades for 4.0.... not all... just some. I've actually looked into which add-ons I could discontinue prior to 4.0 so that app or hook wouldn't hold me back from upgrading. A good review to have of your site regularly, but looking at upgrading to 4.0 made me do it sooner. I confess to being one of those developers, but as of now I am undecided as to which of my mods will have the separate fee. When I see what 4.0 looks like, I'll decide. I will notify my customers as soon as I decide what I'm doing with each mod. It is also likely that I will give the 4.0 version at a slight discount for existing customers. I'm not completely unreasonable.
Mark Round Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I think that customers will understand that 4.0 is a major release and that mods and apps even skins will most likely have to be rebuilt from the ground up,i for one do not mind paying for that and im sure many others will not mind either but that is my opinion.
teraßyte Posted March 4, 2014 Posted March 4, 2014 I think that customers will understand that 4.0 is a major release and that mods and apps even skins will most likely have to be rebuilt from the ground up,i for one do not mind paying for that and im sure many others will not mind either but that is my opinion. Oh, most do understand! But they still moan about it :D
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