WebbyB Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Hey Charles, is it feasible to think we can see the next scheduled blog update in the next couple of days? :)
Carl M Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 vB made it possible that old skins would work with new features by being able to revert old templetes i dont understand why IPS cant do this and i do prefer IPS over vB!
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 Oops. I didn't realize I even already broght it up. When it was first posted I ignored it totally becuase I am trying not to make a big deal about anything. I just really think that it's important to a lot of customers that it be as easy as "realistically" possible to upgrade things. I understand both sides really. Actually we agreed with you :) We had a meeting today about all that actually. IP.Board 3.0 will introduce "new" ways of modding that will make life easier and more upgradeable. Details will be posted once we digest what we decided today and can type it up in something that makes sense. I can also say for sure there will be docs on it before the final release.
Lindsey_ Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 I must be going mad.. my posts are disappearing :wacko: I can see them :huh:
TestingSomething Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 I would say that too but i paid $250 for my current skin so no i definately wont That's who I would feel worse about. Luckily I never decided to buy custom skins and that's why there is no point to anyone buying a custom skin from now until 3.0 unless they offer to upgrade them for free, which I highly doubt they would do. I would say pre-made skins may still be worth their cost even now though. Most likely skinners are going to have to sell them even cheaper soon though once it's more widely known that 3.0 is coming.
Energizer Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 If all previous original Skins IPB, in version 3.0 integrated? So Pro and classic blue skin ..
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 vB made it possible that old skins would work with new features by being able to revert old templetes i dont understand why IPS cant do this and i do prefer IPS over vB! We have had that feature for years. You can revert individual templates on upgrade. It's just that going from 2.x to 3.x is such an huge change to the way every bit of the code works that that is no way, and trust me if there were we would do it, to make 2.x series skins work in the 3.x series.
Carl M Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 That's who I would feel worse about. Luckily I never decided to buy custom skins and that's why there is no point to anyone buying a custom skin from now until 3.0 unless they offer to upgrade them for free, which I highly doubt they would do. I would say pre-made skins may still be worth their cost even now though. Most likely skinners are going to have to sell them even cheaper soon though once it's more widely known that 3.0 is coming. Unless something is offered im afraid im off to a new supplier or not upgrading, even vB made it possible to revert old skins to work with new templates
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 If all previous original Skins IPB, in version 3.0 integrated? So Pro and classic blue skin .. IP.Board 3.0 will have a new default interface so it won't really have the two separate skins like now.
TestingSomething Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Honestly I have the hardest time finding skins I am happy with. I do have one I like a lot about though. Honestly I like "something" from a lot of skins, but would be nice to have the best parts of each one all in one skin. For example I LOVE how profile view is on one of my skins, but then topic view is very different also. I need to talk to the designer and maybe see if they will alter just small things for other skins or make the same skin in other colors. :) I've been to so many sites and I never end up buying skins becuase nothing is exactly how I want, but I am tired of not having good skins. :( lol
zigs Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 IP.Board 3.0 will have a new default interface so it won't really have the two separate skins like now. What colour will it be?
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 Unless something is offered im afraid im off to a new supplier or not upgrading, even vB made it possible to revert old skins to work with new templates Maybe I'm getting lost in the terminology :) ... IP.Board 3.0 does not just have new templates. It has an entirely new skinning engine. It's not a matter of reverting old templates to work in the new system as it's a totally different animal so to speak. She purrs different you see. Different blood type. Diesel not gas.
Carl M Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Guess that makes my mind up. thanks IPS, goodbye............sadly
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 What colour will it be? I'm color blind. I have no idea.
TestingSomething Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Maybe I'm getting lost in the terminology :) ... IP.Board 3.0 does not just have new templates. It has an entirely new skinning engine. It's not a matter of reverting old templates to work in the new system as it's a totally different animal so to speak. She purrs different you see. Different blood type. Diesel not gas. I personally understand that, but I guess it comes down to what the benefits are to totally overhauling the engine to begin with. I guess we will understand more about that as time goes by and more details are released though.
Lindsey_ Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 it's a totally different animal so to speak. She purrs different you see. Different blood type. Diesel not gas. Did the gas run out ? :lol:
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 I personally understand that, but I guess it comes down to what the benefits are to totally overhauling the engine to begin with. I guess we will understand more about that as time goes by and more details are released though. oh oh oh great stuff... makes it amazingly so much easier to edit skins not to mention advance beyond simply changing colors to changing how the output is handled altogether. Even I can do it and I know nothing about CSS. I still use font tags.
TestingSomething Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Guess that makes my mind up. thanks IPS, goodbye............sadly Actually if my main 2 custom components wouldn't work, I would probably have to switch to a different company too, but I am trying to stay positive that I will be able to handle it. I'm sure I will. Just will be an inconvenience having to do it. Actually I guess what would be "smartest" for me personally would be when 3.0 comes out... for me to set it up as a test forum and then try to get my own programs to work on that and then upgrade. See normally I am too lazy to do that and try everything live though. lol I really still like a lot more about IPB than vb or other competition, although some other default skins "feel" better than the current IPB ones somehow. I think it's something about the color and fonts.
zigs Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 oh oh oh great stuff... makes it amazingly so much easier to edit skins not to mention advance beyond simply changing colors to changing how the output is handled altogether. Even I can do it and I know nothing about CSS. I still use font tags. So if it is that easy.. there will be no need to hire custom skinners?
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 So if it is that easy.. there will be no need to hire custom skinners? I guess that depends on how good you are at making things look the way you want them to.
Rikki Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 Guess that makes my mind up. thanks IPS, goodbye............sadly Don't you think you're being a little... rash? I mean, if you go to another provider - which you're completely entitled to do if you wish - you're still going to have to redo your templates. I'm not sure what the benefit would be for you at this stage. It's the nature of web software that if you're going to have major upgrades, it's very, very difficult to maintain compatibility with templates. There's just no feasible way we can improve the board and specifically the skinning system, and keep compatibility with old skins. I should note I feel your pain. A lot of my job involves skinning, so I'll be doing the same as many of our customers will be when 3.0 is released - updating skins. I do feel your pain, but I also can see the benefits we're going to get from a much better skinning system :)
bfarber Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 He does still use font tags. Here's just a "for instance". To generate a topic page with 3 posts, about 45 different template bits are called. Not so easy to skin, I'd imagine. I think that's down to one template bit now...a tad easier to get the look and feel of the page down how you want it, wouldn't you agree? Based on that, how exactly could we "upgrade" an existing skin to work within that new structure? It's just not realistically possible. Variables passed to the template bits are different. Dates are formatted different. Everything's different. This is a major update, and it just isn't possible to do some of the cool stuff we want to do while retaining support for 2.x skins or modifications. We hope that the changes we make will make it easier to skin and mod IPB, and that the resources available will quickly repopulate.
TestingSomething Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 oh oh oh great stuff... makes it amazingly so much easier to edit skins not to mention advance beyond simply changing colors to changing how the output is handled altogether. Even I can do it and I know nothing about CSS. I still use font tags. Well sounds good. Honestly I couldn't care much less about skins since I never found ones I wanted anyway. The modifications on the other hand will be quite annoying. Of the mods I use though I would say I only care "much" about 4 components and then maybe 3 other modifications. So... not "too" many to have to change up, although components are much more lengthy to transfer over. Sometimes developers start working on them along with beta or rc versions and then just changing things up if those versions change by final release. So maybe some mods will be ready when it is officially released. That would be nice. Maybe that is what I will try to do with my own. :) One of my components was originally made by someone else and I was given full rights. Well he always claimed he would upgrade it any time IPB was upgraded, would fix bugs, etc... Then he just started ignoring me about it, thusssssss why I learned to program a little myself now and I spent 400+ hours on that one alone, fixing his bugs and adding features I wanted. :) So I sure won't be expecting him to upgrade it to 3.0 for me either. haha
Management Charles Posted May 7, 2008 Management Posted May 7, 2008 Mods are a different conversation of course. We are working with people in the mod community to be sure what we are doing will actually make mods easier to deploy and that future versions will be easier to maintain and update. Like I said before, I'll be sure we get the technical details on that out as soon as we can type them into something easily digested.
Energizer Posted May 7, 2008 Posted May 7, 2008 How many different original skins are for the IPB 3.0 planned?
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