New pricing will not be cheaper overall for people who don't requi

[Strange_Will]

Wow so those with yearly licences get 20 bucks off? (50 a year as opposed to 70?)

:P uh huh more expensive?

[Charles]

:'(

[Midnightmadness]

Yep I got one Also :D

[riven3d]

i have no complaints on the new price structure as far as its conserned for my current licenses, but future ones that i will purchase, im not sure, prolly will keep buying 2nd hand ones


i like the option of not having to pay the $25 till you want to, thats great news, so now your not spending the money for nothing

[Defenestration]

i have no complaints on the new price structure as far as its conserned for my current licenses, but future ones that i will purchase, im not sure, prolly will keep buying 2nd hand ones

When you say 2nd hand, do you mean buy a licence from someone who already has one (eg. Lifetime or Perpetual), who no longer requires it ?

If so, where are people advertising these at (you can PM me if you don't want to put it in a normal post) ?

[riven3d]

invisionize

[TestingSomething]

Invisionize is usually a waste for it though becuase 2 people offered licenses and both changed their minds before selling them to me. One of them didn't even TELL me he changed his mind either, I emailed him about it and he never responded (after he told me I could buy it).

[Charles]

We do not suggest purchasing licenses from third parties. Almost every day someone emails us saying someone scammed them and asking for our help. Of course we cannot really do anything to help them.

[Gogf]

Why would IPS change the pricing to be cheaper? Clearly their goal in changing the system is to make more money. People who require a lot of support probably aren't the majority, hence the fact that they save money while the rest of us pay more.

[smashIt]

what i would add to the licensing (aspecialy the renewals) is that it includes at least one update from a.b to a.c , and all a.b.x updates

and an option to get them cheaper without support would be great (maybe a 30% discount)

[Dark Phantom]

what i would add to the licensing (aspecialy the renewals) is that it includes at least one update from a.b to a.c , and all a.b.x updates

and an option to get them cheaper without support would be great (maybe a 30% discount)

This is already the case, as long as you have a support contract during the time, I should know that Vbulletin does this also.

[shyonne2004]

I would like to see the lifetime licenses come back for a limited time before the 2.2.0 gets released

Or even change the perpetual licenses to lifetime after 2.2.0 gets released.

On the other hand I see the call for the support prices each year for perpetual and the every 6 months for the new licenses but what I dont understand is why IPS Beyond is cut off after the support term is done.

as clearly IPS Beyond is set up for person to person support not support by IPS
Is that the way IPS Beyond is set up or am I way off

I am just trying to understand it all

as I have a perpetual so I will continue to get the software upgrades I just dont understand why IPS Beyond is included with the support from IPS

Can Someone from IPS Staff enlighten me on this

[bfarber]

IPS Beyond is considered a "perk" for anyone who brings continued business to the company. It does cost money to host the site, bandwidth, domain name registration, employee time (such as myself) to run it, and so on...there are costs associated with it, and IPS is not charging customers for it. The only thing a customer must do to access IPS Beyond is keep their support contract current.

IPS Beyond is an added value for those who keep their support current. :) Consider you are buying Cable Internet and Cable TV - if you keep cable TV going, you get $10 off a month on your internet. But if you cancel your cable TV, the internet services goes back up $10 - that $10 discount was just a perk for those who also purchased the television service. This is similar in concept. :) We're throwing IPS Beyond in for free if you keep your support current, rather than thinking of it as an individual service, etc.

[Lemon Head]

I've read through this topic until my head hurts, probably like a lot of people. The only licences I've ever bought have been Yearly ones, not the more expensive Perpetual etc. So as I understand it for my 3 Yearly licences I was paying:

$69.95 per year per licence which included the Support and IPB Beyond perk.

Under the forthcoming new licence, I'll be paying $25 every 6 months which equals $50 a year.
This is great, unless you're telling me that its $50 a year for the Support plus $69.95 for the Yearly licence which makes $119.95?

I need to keep the Support and I want future Upgrades. Can someone confirm which of the two it is please, $50 a year or $119.95 a year?
I'm assuming then this is for existing licences/customers. If I want to buy a new licence for a new website, which was discounted before for the first year, for existing customers with more than 2 licences, what's it going to cost under the new structure for the first year and subsequent years?

[Boozer]

At first i thought the new pricing plan sucked, but the more i think about it, i like it

I have a yearly license that I just bought, so i don't have to really worry about it until next year.

I just like how i can renew it for around $30 for 6 more months and not have to worry about $70 more. I know $30 is easier to get and get rid of at one time then $70 is, even though you are going to have to pay again in 6 months.

Most of us don't like changes. So thats the big reason. We aren't really paying more or less, just more convenient for some people. Also for IPS because now they can get their payments more frequently rather then waiting another year, which means they can probably produce better quality products.

Everyone is hating on it.well mostly everyone, but its starting to make sense to me.

Some might say that "i'd rather pay now and not hav eto worry for another year" Well usually its on a subscription basis so you shouldn't ever have to worry about it at all.

So im lovin it now :)

[riven3d]

it will be $25/6 months for current yearly license holders, and reading Brandon's response, i might just pay the $30/yr to keep my support going for the perpetual license i upgraded to

[Terry - AKA Dumbledore]

You know it has already be stated before that if you have a yearly/Standard lis. that you don't have to pay the $25.00 renewal fee every 6 months to guarantee you get future updates. You can pay the $25.00 when the update comes out, and then you will have support for 6 months and access to all updates during that time.

So with what Brandon stated above that security updates being free to all lis. holders active and expired, and the ability to pay the renewal fee when major updates are ready. It is a great value to us that don't use support.

I don't understand why people can't see that.

[bfarber]

I've read through this topic until my head hurts, probably like a lot of people. The only licences I've ever bought have been Yearly ones, not the more expensive Perpetual etc. So as I understand it for my 3 Yearly licences I was paying:

$69.95 per year per licence which included the Support and IPB Beyond perk.

Under the forthcoming new licence, I'll be paying $25 every 6 months which equals $50 a year.

This is great, unless you're telling me that its $50 a year for the Support plus $69.95 for the Yearly licence which makes $119.95?

I need to keep the Support and I want future Upgrades. Can someone confirm which of the two it is please, $50 a year or $119.95 a year?

I'm assuming then this is for existing licences/customers. If I want to buy a new licence for a new website, which was discounted before for the first year, for existing customers with more than 2 licences, what's it going to cost under the new structure for the first year and subsequent years?

You would be paying $50 a year, not $120 (which includes support, updates and IPS Beyond of course). :) Yes, it is cheaper for current license holders.

[UBERHOST.NET]

Under the forthcoming new licence, I'll be paying $25 every 6 months which equals $50 a year.

That's definitely correct.

This is great, unless you're telling me that its $50 a year for the Support

plus $69.95 for the Yearly licence which makes $119.95?

A total of $50 a year. There will no longer be a "yearly" license as yearlies will be automatically changed to Standard licenses if current when the changover occurs. So, if IPB 2.2 were to go final today and you held a current yearly license, you'd be converted to a Standard license at the end of your term. Thereafter, you'd pay $25 every 6 months for a support contract, and as a perk you'd continue to have access to IPSbeyond.

[shyonne2004]

I have to agree that the explanation that brandon gave does make a lot of sense and I too will mor ethan likely continue getting the support even though I dont need IPS Support but IPS Beyond is a very good resource site

[N.U.]

IPS Beyond is considered a "perk" for anyone who brings continued business to the company. It does cost money to host the site, bandwidth, domain name registration, employee time (such as myself) to run it, and so on...there are costs associated with it, and IPS is not charging customers for it. The only thing a customer must do to access IPS Beyond is keep their support contract current.

IPS Beyond is an added value for those who keep their support current. :) Consider you are buying Cable Internet and Cable TV - if you keep cable TV going, you get $10 off a month on your internet. But if you cancel your cable TV, the internet services goes back up $10 - that $10 discount was just a perk for those who also purchased the television service. This is similar in concept. :) We're throwing IPS Beyond in for free if you keep your support current, rather than thinking of it as an individual service, etc.

Its going to hurt IPBeyond in the long run. why would I want to pay $25 every 6 months to go to a site to get support from another user? I can see charging to get support from IPS itself, but most of the time support is handle on IPBeyond threw peer to peer support, I think thats wrong to ask us to pay for that. Thats just my opinion.

[elj]

There's still plans with IPSB to expand the resources section as far as I know, it's not just for user-to-user support.

[UBERHOST.NET]

Its going to hurt IPBeyond in the long run. why would I want to pay $25 every 6 months to go to a site to get support from another user? I can see charging to get support from IPS itself, but most of the time support is handle on IPBeyond threw peer to peer support, I think thats wrong to ask us to pay for that. Thats just my opinion.

We AREN'T being charged for peer-to-peer support. IPSbeyond is a repository for mods and skins that you won't find elsewhere, plus there is the Wiki. Often, bfarber will answer questions, and that is superior to opening a ticket, of course.

[N.U.]

We AREN'T being charged for peer-to-peer support. IPSbeyond is a repository for mods and skins that you won't find elsewhere, plus there is the Wiki. Often, bfarber will answer questions, and that is superior to opening a ticket, of course.

Nope you are, if you only have one IPB license, standard. It comes time to renew but you choose not to because say no sign of a new version or anything coming or maybe your happy at what version your at. So you don't renew. You lose access to IPSBeyond. You can't access those forums anymore which is what bfarber just said. So the only way to get back into IPSBeyond is by paying the renew cost of $25. IPSBeyond is mostly peer to peer support. So yeah in a way you are paying to get peer to peer support on IPSBeyond.

[UBERHOST.NET]

Nope you are, if you only have one IPB license, standard. It comes time to renew but you choose not to because say no sign of a new version or anything coming or maybe your happy at what version your at. So you don't renew. You lose access to IPSBeyond. You can't access those forums anymore which is what bfarber just said. So the only way to get back into IPSBeyond is by paying the renew cost of $25. IPSBeyond is mostly peer to peer support. So yeah in a way you are paying to get peer to peer support on IPSBeyond.

Hey, whatever you want to think is your perogative. I don't go to IPSb to ask questions, but because I like the community and the exclusive features, I stay current with my support dues. Now if $25 is a lot of money to you, then I suggest you save it instead.