Make Your Own Points System!

[Xenboy]

Personally, I'm not sure I understand what all the fuss is about.

I believe it was Matt that said they're looking into ways to make unwanted features completely disappear from the forum when disabled.

Personally, I think that it's OK if IPS adds tons of features to IPB, just so long as the interface to access them is logical and there is a way to completely disable features you don't want or need.

One of the reasons I really dislike vB is because its admin UI is the stuff of nightmares. As long as IPB's interface remains logical and you can completely disable the things you don't need, who cares what features they throw into the mix.

That way, if you want a points system... fine... use it. If not, it will be easy to disable completely.

[theclub]

No, just plain no.

Ignoring the fact that google wont pull up all the v2.1 results there are about 128,000 boards just running v2.1. And also ignoring the fact that some of the downloads may be updating the mod or never installed it. That means less that 10% of IPB users have installed a points system.

Hardly a half of the members.

Prove your figures, don't just use guesses to make a point. l quoted two places to download only, and didn't include ibProBattle or any other mod with a built in points system. And the 'half of the members' was a reference to this thread, not the whole wide world!

You get the feeling that if it were up to 'certain people' to build IPB it would consist of an 'ON' and 'OFF' button and a constant argument.


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[todorov.com]

Till now there is no either 1 message from IPB team in this topic, dosen't this ring bell to all of you - there will be no point system integrated to IPB.

[DavoteK]

Till now there is no either 1 message from IPB team in this topic, dosen't this ring bell to all of you - there will be no point system integrated to IPB.

Yeah, because they stick their head in every single thread that is posted on this forum......good one.

[Elemental Crisis]

Yeah, because they stick their head in every single thread that is posted on this forum......good one.

I'm pretty sure they have read this topic and just about EVERY topic posted in the "Invision Power Board 2.2 Beta Feedback" forum.

[Munja]

Prove your figures, don't just use guesses to make a point. l quoted two places to download only, and didn't include ibProBattle or any other mod with a built in points system. And the 'half of the members' was a reference to this thread, not the whole wide world!

You get the feeling that if it were up to 'certain people' to build IPB it would consist of an 'ON' and 'OFF' button and a constant argument.

:lol:

How about you prove that a decent proportion of IPB users want a points system of their forum, and I didn't guess, i search "invision power board v2.2" in google and your result for a points system. Searching for the previous + "points" yealds only 700 more forums. Sill far for a large proportion of IPB users.

[theclub]

How about you prove that a decent proportion of IPB users want a points system of their forum, and I didn't guess, i search "invision power board v2.2" in google and your result for a points system. Searching for the previous + "points" yealds only 700 more forums. Sill far for a large proportion of IPB users.

l don't need to PROVE anything, because l haven't made any inflamatory statements, unlike you, l only counted points system downloads on two sites. It's YOU who is making claims about percentages, not me. Your Google searches mean absolutely nothing, and many of the pages are from the same sites, and that didn't take much checking. If you want to know how many members want a points system, read this thread, Google won't help you, especially if you're Googling "invision power board v2.2".


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[Munja]

l don't need to PROVE anything, because l haven't made any inflamatory statements, unlike you, l only counted points system downloads on two sites. It's YOU who is making claims about percentages, not me. Your Google searches mean absolutely nothing, and many of the pages are from the same sites, and that didn't take much checking. If you want to know how many members want a points system, read this thread, Google won't help you, especially if you're Googling "invision power board v2.2".

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Yes you have, prove that there are over 13,000 forums with a points system installed. And as you kindly proved a google search doesn't mean anything. The search results have a greater cross section of IPB users than this thread. Therefore can be used as a unbais statistical sample.
The only people that would bother with this thread are for or greatly against point systems

Will IPB gain customers by adding a points system, no. They will properly scare away corperate customers by adding a childish feature, which does nothing more than the post counts do.

[theclub]

Yes you have, prove that there are over 13,000 forums with a points system installed.

l said nothing of the sort, and you must be getting pretty desperate after your Google nonsense to save face. l said only that there have been a certain number of downloads of points system from two sites ... NOTHING more. It's YOU who came up with these ridiculous assumptions based on a Google search that tells you nothing, certainly not an "unbais statistical sample" as you put it, and l challenge you to prove otherwise. Tell us how your search informed you of ANY statistical data, and what that data was, also the exact words you used in the search?

Your last statement took your post from the ridiculous to the sublime .. how many "corperate" customers do you think they'll lose when 2.2 comes out then, with it's ratings, comments and personal statements?

And maybe you'd like to explain how the post count could be used as a points system? This l must hear! :lol:


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[Munja]

l said nothing of the sort, and you must be getting pretty desperate after your Google nonsense to save face. l said only that there have been a certain number of downloads of points system from two sites ... NOTHING more. It's YOU who came up with these ridiculous assumptions based on a Google search that tells you nothing, certainly not an "unbais statistical sample" as you put it, and l challenge you to prove otherwise. Tell us how your search informed you of ANY statistical data, and what that data was, also the exact words you used in the search?

Your last statement took your post from the ridiculous to the sublime .. how many "corperate" customers do you think they'll lose when 2.2 comes out then, with it's ratings, comments and personal statements?

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It is a sample, not a exact result. It is unbais because it is not in a topic about the subject at hand. It proves that of the websites stored in googles database there are 10% of IPB forums that have points. So it is save to assume until PROVEN wrong that 10% of IPB forum have some interest in points, as that is how statistics work in the real word. How about you PROVE google is an invalid source to get staticial trends. How about you PROVE that more that 10% for IPB forums have a interest in a points system. Then give that data to IPS and then demand that a large percentage of there customers want this, that is also how the real world works.

Corperate customers are signing up to myspace to advertise there companies, why wouldn't they want the same users to signup to there forums so they can send them emails as well. IPS is jumping on a internet tread, points were an internet tread they are long gone move on.

I said

which does nothing more than the post counts do

Not

And maybe you'd like to explain how the post count could be used as a points system? This l must hear! :lol:

A points system shows the posts with a different number usually x10 more. It is as pointless as the post count in the first place.
Why do we need two systems to show how many posts a user has made?

[eddy11]

Any looking at Google is almost pointless tbh. There are many forums that want points but don't have it because Invision have not made is standard.

[sychn]

Any looking at Google is almost pointless tbh. There are many forums that want points but don't have it because Invision have not made is standard.

Quite right.

I didn't use a 3rd points system is because I am waiting for the official's.

[theclub]

It is a sample, not a exact result. It is unbais because it is not in a topic about the subject at hand. It proves that of the websites stored in googles database there are 10% of IPB forums that have points. So it is save to assume until PROVEN wrong that 10% of IPB forum have some interest in points, as that is how statistics work in the real word.

What a pile of crap! You Google "invision power board v2.2" or 2.1 and get 130,000 pages, and you count that as 130,000 different forums, that alone says you know absolutely nothing about statistics OR Google. Then you make the outrageous claim that it proves 10% of Invision forums have a points system! Unbelievable! You're just digging yourself into a bigger hole, an 8 year old could see right through your logic, if you weren't serious it would be hilarious. And you talk about the REAL world? :lol:


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[neen]

Let's say those statistics are right for a moment (which they aren't but let's just imagine they are!)

Okay, so can you tell me how many administrators of the other 90% of forum software that is being used (IPB only, of course) haven't installed a points system because they don't want to make the edits, aren't comfortable doing the edits, don't KNOW about points systems, or simply don't want them?

It's probably pretty likely that out of the 90% of users/admins/whatever fall into first three categories.

Also, IPS (Matt specifically) has already said they (he) is looking into ways to remove everything related to a feature when it is turned off. That will take hours of work - you think that adding 5 lines of code more would use up all the time they have? You think 5 lines of code? what they have will hurt IPB? What about the hundreds of lines of code they added in 2.2? Huh? What about the fact that you can turn it off and it completely disappears from the board? How is that bloatware?

'Nuff said.

P.S. Both sides seem to be deteriorating rather rapidly in this debate. =P

[Septerra]

I can see the practical use of a points system on a hobby forum but not on a business forum like AMD's forum. I am not against the point system but I am against it becoming a "standard" feature of INVISION POWER BOARD, notice how its bold? What would I do with a points system in IPB?, NOTHING! All suggestions made have been using it with the Gallery, Blog, and Downloads components which aren't free. If I was a new user to IPB and saw the points system but couldn't use it unless I had either the Gallery, Blog or Download components installed I would wonder why it was a default feature.

Not all IPB customers are businesses. There is like I said, many web hosting companies that would be able to take advantage of this feature. An example of a business... well.. porn sites... for example. ASide from that fact, consider all the others! Points system can also be used to access a certain forum. Like I said before, since it is like digital currency, businesses, personal users, etc alike can benefit from it. Admins who choose to use the feature can set the amount of points needed in order to enter a forum, read a topic, or post in a forum. Im not saying that all three of these should be made, but these indeed are in fact one of the many possible uses for the points system without ANY external parts to it. Like a pass, say someone made a topic full of the latest news in the tech world and in order to get in, there is an admission fee of 10 points each time. To earn more points, the Admin can set that a post in a certain forum gets you so and so points, or you have to buy a product to get forum points increased. I can list a ton of uses for the system, but the point is having IPB set the standard and have 3rd party users revolve around the standard. You dont have to have Gallery, Blog, or Download section at all to use the points system. The point is IPB defining the standard so that mods can revolve around it while also givng IPB the ability to take advantage of it in their other products such as Gallery, Blog, etc. It is suitable for ALL products including itself. IPB can just make the gallery point system suggestion work by using their standardized point system. Any modification with it can revolve around that standard. Take advantage of the integration if you can, but if you can't, you can still take advantage of it. IP Nexus can also benefit from this as they can set it so that it costs a certain amount of points per support ticket. The future is opened up with the advent of a standard for a points system in IPS.

Instead of arguing about the amount of people using any feature whether existant or non-existant, better to argue about the Points System itself and whether it is good or bad.

Remember, Invision Power Services is a company, a company that employs people to create and maintain IPS products. These people get paid so when upgrading their products I would assume they tend to look at what features should be added and see if it would benefit both the people that use IPB for hobbies and people that use IPB for their companies.

As brilliant as Matt and other IPB Staff are, as I have no doubts that they are very brilliant, but that doesnt mean that all the best features are there. Otherwise, IPB would have blown VB out of the water and/or not have any rivals. This is a major suggestion and what I feel should be implemented. As a user of IPB, Matt and the other IPB Staff should surely take this into account and this argument serves to enlighten them. Hitler said Jews should die. Does that mean the entire country of Germany should feel that way? No, we all have our own opinion and I feel this case is a strong one.

Also its really not that hard to add back edits for example to the point systems mod if the file was overwritten with an updated file from IPS. When a new update comes out I usually spend around 10 to 15 re-applying edits to files that were updated. You don't seem me demanding every mod I installed to be a default feature because I don't want to re-apply my mod edits.

I do exactly the same as you, and the point is, those point systems are 3rd party. The kick arse Gallery idea cannot be implemented. Why? IPB can't use the points system to their advantage. It would definately give IPB the upper hand and I feel that it would definately increase the numbers of customers buying their Gallery, Blog and other integrated products, not to mention IPB, which I covered above.

IPS is a company, they should release a Point System component and charge around $25 for it. But oh wait, that means you would have to buy it and I could see it now, people DEMANDING that it should be free just like people are now DEMANDING it should be a defualt feature.

If IPB were truly like that, then IPB might as well take off all of their suggestions sections off of their board. If they charge $25 go ahead. If its so useless as you say, no one would care if IPB charged $25 cause they wouldnt buy it in the first place! Contradicted yourself there.

Let's say those statistics are right for a moment (which they aren't but let's just imagine they are!)

Okay, so can you tell me how many administrators of the other 90% of forum software that is being used (IPB only, of course) haven't installed a points system because they don't want to make the edits, aren't comfortable doing the edits, don't KNOW about points systems, or simply don't want them?

At the same time, you can say those statistics are wrong. No one can say how many administrators of the other 90% of the forum software that is being used havn't installed the points system. The reasons you give apply to practically everything.

1) They don't want to make the edits.
-This applies to literally every single mod in existance right now. Points system is not an exception. If they were uncomfortable doing the edits but wanted it, they would hope that IPS implemented it!

2) Arn't comfortable doing the edits.
-This applies to literally every single mod in existance right now. Points system is not an exception. If they were uncomfortable doing the edits but wanted it, they would hope that IPS implemented it!

3) Don't know about points system.
-I am sure there are numerous people who don't know about any of the mods as well. Or even features on the IPB board. Clear cache? What is that? Oh wow, I can enable or disable Birthdays being shown? Oh wow, I can add a new field into my profile? There are many users who dont know about all the features of their board.

4) Simply don't want them.
-For every feature in IPB, there are people who want, and dont want the feature. For example, many people as a previous poster said, felt the profile portal was bloatware, and many of them thought it was cruddy. Is that true for all the many other users of IPB? No. What you just said also applies to every single feature as well and makes no sense as well.

Also, IPS (Matt specifically) has already said they (he) is looking into ways to remove everything related to a feature when it is turned off. That will take hours of work - you think that adding 5 lines of code more would use up all the time they have? You think 5 lines of code? what they have will hurt IPB? What about the hundreds of lines of code they added in 2.2? Huh? What about the fact that you can turn it off and it completely disappears from the board? How is that bloatware?

Point exactly.

P.S. Both sides seem to be deteriorating rather rapidly in this debate. =P

Considering that what you've said applied to literally every feature in IPB and mod with or without the assumption, and the fact that I have pointed that out, clearly, both sides are not deteriorating.

Keep in mind that NO ONE, as SupportersUnited said, can in fact justify the number of forum users except Matt, or IPB staff themselves who have access to that information. Regardless, the point is whether or not a points system is good or not. Clearly there are many advantages to it and I still feel strongly that we should have a points system integrated as the standard for not only bettering IPB, but also bettering IP Gallery, Blog, and significantly increasing integration for IPS.

[Michael]

I'm not going to guess about the numbers of boards total and how many of them want a points system, because that's all it would be: a guess. I can say that I would certainly not want such a feature in IPB, simply because I don't think it's a feature that really applies for most boards; I know I wouldn't use it. Not to mention that any mods I make then would then have to have some kind of integration with the points system, or else a very vocal minority will freak out.

If the feature is added, it better be able to be completely turned off, because I know that its inclusion will aggravate a lot of board owners. Realistically, I doubt this will ever get added, a forum should be about posting and community building, not anything that the points systems bring.

1) They don't want to make the edits.

-This applies to literally every single mod in existance right now. Points system is not an exception. If they were uncomfortable doing the edits but wanted it, they would hope that IPS implemented it!

2) Arn't comfortable doing the edits.

-This applies to literally every single mod in existance right now. Points system is not an exception. If they were uncomfortable doing the edits but wanted it, they would hope that IPS implemented it!

You should check into what mods are out there, there are lots of mods that don't require any file edits, and that install as easily as the Blog or Gallery, with just uploading some files and running an installer.

[neen]

All hail FuSoYa and his wonderful words of wisdom. :D

But really, what FuSoYa said is spot-on.

Also, when I said both sides are "deteriorating" I was referring to the fact that things seemed to be getting hostile..;D

[sychn]

Without Points System, it will be a limitation of IPB in the future.

As an online business platform, I think IPS will add a points system into Nexus. If IPB combine with Nexus at that time, I don't think there won't be a points system integrated into IPB.

In my position, points system will encourage my members to post useful posts and make my site develop faster. That's the value of a forum. Also in the future with C2C business system integrated, points system is a must-have part of IPB.

If the guys who don't want the so-called 'useless' functions, why not just use a simple write-post board? Why use such a daedal system like IPB?

[harmor]

Doesn't IPB have a promotion system where you can move an user to another usergroup when they reach a certain amount of posts?

[sychn]

Doesn't IPB have a promotion system where you can move an user to another usergroup when they reach a certain amount of posts?

User group and Rank system can not get the same function as the points system.

[Mat Barrie]

As an online business platform, I think IPS will add a points system into Nexus. If IPB combine with Nexus at that time, I don't think there won't be a points system integrated into IPB.

I disagree with that part, that's not what Nexus is. Nexus is nothing to do with communities (being a sales and support platform), and is most certainly aimed at businesses. I think we can all agree, very few businesses would use point systems - especially in their Sales and Ticketing system.

And to the person way back when that said porn sites use points systems - not that I'd know or anything, but they probably maybe most likely *cough* use the Subscriptions Manager, combined with Forum Passwords :ph34r: .

[harmor]

User group and Rank system can not get the same function as the points system.

IPB doesn't have something like

[Mat Barrie]

IPB doesn't have something like

Sorry, I'm derailing this thread for a moment. What in the name of all that's holy is THAT? And where did it come from?

[neen]

Sorry, I'm derailing this thread for a moment. What in the name of all that's holy is THAT? And where did it come from?

I AGREE WITH KYANAR.

TELL US WHERE YOU GOT SUCH AWESOMENESS O_O!

[Mat Barrie]

I AGREE WITH KYANAR.

TELL US WHERE YOU GOT SUCH AWESOMENESS O_O!

Dude. I think we have just seen the pinnacle of Member Promotions.