Floh_germany Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Hello, I want to know, which Hardware is acceptable for 1000 User online at the same time ? My prefered Server will have the following configuration : EX4- Server : Intel Quadcore I7-2600 ( 3,4 GHZ ) 16 GB DDR3 RAM 2 x 3 TB SATA ( 6 Gb/s HDD - 7200 rpm - Software RAID 1 ) 1Gbit Network Is this ok ?
Philip_B Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 what is the time scale for the 1000 users? 5 mins, 15 mins, 30 mins?
Gary. Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 1000 users, Depends on the content, Lets say if it was basic html then you be fine, If your pushing alot of mysql queries through it, Then I would say it maybe fine depending on the setup.
Philip_B Posted October 25, 2011 Posted October 25, 2011 i know for sure the first bottleneck you will hit is I/O. No way you can handle that traffic on RAID1 7200 drives! Look at getting 15k SAS in RAID10
Grumpy Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 Mine's right now running at 1700 people online (15min but ppl tend to stay for a while, so should smiliar-ish with 5min) with similar spec to yours (but E3 server with ECC). Running on nginx reverse proxy to apache with mysql and memcache. But, I'm pretty much at my machine limits right now... So, you can plan accordingly.
Guest Reystar Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Hello, I want to know, which Hardware is acceptable for 1000 User online at the same time ? My prefered Server will have the following configuration : EX4- Server : Intel Quadcore I7-2600 ( 3,4 GHZ ) 16 GB DDR3 RAM 2 x 3 TB SATA ( 6 Gb/s HDD - 7200 rpm - Software RAID 1 ) 1Gbit Network Is this ok ? Lol! do you need that much power for 1000 online people? :o
Grumpy Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Lol! do you need that much power for 1000 online people? :o Yeah, you kinda do... You also need to think about room to grow. And old thread.
TracyIsland Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Looking at moving to a dedicated server. Can anyone recommend some good sources? If it is not something that we can speak of here on the forum, can any/all send me a pm? For your consideration, I am not a technical person that is able or inclined to run a dedicated server myself. So I would want to find a service/company that offered tech support and the cPanel kind of login functionality that we have now on our shared hosting service. Thanks, Brian
Robulosity2 Posted May 18, 2012 Posted May 18, 2012 Webhostingtalk.com would be a good place to start, host offers and research/questions are there If your not going to be hosting other peoples sites, cPanel is not required (and will save $$). Webmin is a free control panel that lets you manage the OS. If your not a technical person you can get managed dedicated servers
p4guru Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 cpu end is powerful as it's same as a E3-1270 and that's as fast as Dual Xeon E5620, but 3TB disk end could be bottleneck depending on your disk I/O requirements.
Rhett Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 You will most likely need raid 10 15k sas drives depending on your mods etc, you may be able to get away with raid 1 15k sas, but nothing less. Also keep in mind 1000 users in 5 minutes is three times the usage of 1000 in 15 minutes.
Grumpy Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 You will most likely need raid 10 15k sas drives depending on your mods etc, you may be able to get away with raid 1 15k sas, but nothing less. Also keep in mind 1000 users in 5 minutes is three times the usage of 1000 in 15 minutes. I don't think the recent replier is having 1000 / 5min... Just happened to be hijacking thread... In my opinion, I think 15k sas has become obsolete. For space, SATA is more economical. And for speed, ssd is not only so much faster, more economical (if you don't need speed) AND more reliable as of today. 4x raid 10 15k sas drive hw raid /w bbu vs 2x soft raid 1 ssd ssd will win in a landslide in iops and random read/write. ssd setup will be cheaper, significantly. the failure rate of any spinning disk is now higher than an intel ssd. and there's 2x more quantity. which means that much even higher potential to fail.
Rhett Posted May 19, 2012 Posted May 19, 2012 I don't think the recent replier is having 1000 / 5min... Just happened to be hijacking thread... In my opinion, I think 15k sas has become obsolete. For space, SATA is more economical. And for speed, ssd is not only so much faster, more economical (if you don't need speed) AND more reliable as of today. 4x raid 10 15k sas drive hw raid /w bbu vs 2x soft raid 1 ssd ssd will win in a landslide in iops and random read/write. ssd setup will be cheaper, significantly. the failure rate of any spinning disk is now higher than an intel ssd. and there's 2x more quantity. which means that much even higher potential to fail. SSD's at a server level spec are still out of range for most if you need any type of space, yes you can use a lesser quality drive, however the repetitive writing issue with ssd drives are still not optimal for large sites/servers unless you want to replace them every year. 15k SAS is far from obsolete as well, it's actually the "standard" for med level servers. I built two servers this week with them, they are rock solid and perform very well for the price.
Grumpy Posted May 20, 2012 Posted May 20, 2012 SSD's at a server level spec are still out of range for most if you need any type of space, yes you can use a lesser quality drive, however the repetitive writing issue with ssd drives are still not optimal for large sites/servers unless you want to replace them every year. 15k SAS is far from obsolete as well, it's actually the "standard" for med level servers. I built two servers this week with them, they are rock solid and perform very well for the price. I would beg to differ, with evidence. My IPB has at max 4k online/5min interval. It's pretty active. My db server run on two SSDs with raid 1. These are Intel 320, they are not enterprise SSD. These have been running for about 4+ month or so now and here's the disk wear... smartctl -data -A /dev/sda | grep Media 233 Media_Wearout_Indicator 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0 Still 100%. I doubt that I'll be replacing these every year. Also, according to Intel, the life/endurance rating of an ssd is 5 years at 20GB write/day. (source) I don't write 20GB/day... not even close. Given my current usage of the SSD, I'd expect the SSD to be the longest living component. On top of that!! You can employ over provisioning techniques to make the consumer Intel SSDs perform better and have the reliability of enterprise SSDs. It's true that consumer SSD used to have a puny life span. But it's just not true anymore. I'd expect SSDs to live longer than spinning drives. That's why I said, 15k drives are obsolete because consumer SSDs out-perform and out-price them.
Luis Manson Posted May 20, 2012 Posted May 20, 2012 Grumpy, are you on mysql or percona? i think they made lot of modifications to make it more reliable on SSD, also, would you give your url?
Grumpy Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 Grumpy, are you on mysql or percona? i think they made lot of modifications to make it more reliable on SSD, also, would you give your url? MySQL. Second q: No. Though, I'm sure IPB staff can check my profile and confirm, but I keep prof/personal separate. And my activity here is entirely personal.
Rhett Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 Grumpy I won't keep going, we can disagree on this, it's ok! :smile:http://www.rackspace...configurations/ One of the largest server providers in the world... and their main offering is SAS... SAS is simple not obsolete as you say... however you can think that and it's ok too! :smile: On the SSD, yes they are improving, however putting consumer level products in a commercial hosting environmental isn't something most will do, including me.
Luis Manson Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 Grumpy I won't keep going, we can disagree on this, it's ok! :smile:http://www.rackspace...configurations/ One of the largest server providers in the world... and their main offering is SAS... SAS is simple not [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]obsolete as you say... however you can think that and it's ok too! :smile: [/color][/font] [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][color=#282828]On the SSD, yes they are improving, however putting consumer level products in a commercial hosting environmental isn't something most will do, including me. [/color][/font] that reduces to only a few variables..mostly cost/time for me, a new server with SAS/raid could cost me near 6 months of earnings, while 2 SSD would cost me 2 months, to say something..and maybe i would have to replace them once a year...
p4guru Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 that reduces to only a few variables..mostly cost/time for me, a new server with SAS/raid could cost me near 6 months of earnings, while 2 SSD would cost me 2 months, to say something..and maybe i would have to replace them once a year... that's probably now due to the Thailand floods affecting SATA/SAS non-SSD prices. I've seen a few web hosts drop their SAS/SCSI disk offerings now as it's more costly than the new Intel 320 and 520 series SSDs available. Rackspace would have more buying power to secure SAS/SCSI stock than smaller web hosts too.
Luis Manson Posted May 21, 2012 Posted May 21, 2012 i would buy some SSD i think, and set them up in a raid...since they are so fast i think i would set up a RAID1 how ever im not sure how reliable a system with 2 identical HDs would be
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