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You guys have had a busy few days this week, keep it up 👍 This weekend at IPB headquarters:

The edit is better, I understand for cloud it being needed potentially as its your servers, its just disappointing to have it affect us who (currently) dont use redis. I have followed the discussion in the other threads so I dont want to replicate here, just to say our online list was permissions locked and never public so it got no traffic besides me using it for spotting anomalies. Its a pity the admincp online list didnt have a lot of the functions for admin use. I do actually find it incredibly useful when you are monitoring one site.

Wait you backported the online users change without it being mentioned in a security update?!?!

Will there be an updated dev tools for 4.7.26?

Please please please consider letting us replace/remove without having to use css/js (albeit my experience in v5 is still limited)

Really a bit of a "how we did this" would be great esp the documentation section with some example templates. I have always felt that pages as an app needs a lot of examples to get people going with it better as its very powerful.

Does the new site all run on a straight IPBv5 install or is it heavily modded? I am just thinking, like the docs section, a heres how we did this would be very welcome much like the older v4 software updates section.

At least I am not the only one that forgets the odd pages permission 😂

Is all the documentation gone!??! eeep! Please tell me there is a way to access it still.

I dont want this to be taken the wrong way but it would be useful to know why this extra has been gate-keeped behind SAAS only. I understood (although our setup could possibly do it) things like AI and even the Courses app/module as we didnt pay for it with self hosted but I am not sure if there is a proper technical reason or just a add value reason why it has been gate-kept?

Your dev is correct in one regard, there are no options in IPBv5 for custom ad locations (aka to use the built in ad system) like there was in IPBv4, I am not sure why it was removed to be honest.

Its more because 2.1 is supposed to be supported (cant remember which 4.X) but its bugged as far as I can see with the changes that came in 2.X so I am not sure if it ever worked.

/Hopes for Opensearch 2.X fixes in 4.7

The disposable filter is epic! nice work!

Yeah I know what you are saying. My biggest concern is wayward authors who cant deal with setting up their own system or cant meet the 2 month deadline. We (paid addon customers) lose and we lost before when we lost the ability to back up and download directly before. The irony is pirates never need to worry about this stuff, just paid customers who lose. I dont want to sound like I am just trying to beat you down, I am just very concerned and can see a lot of issues especially with the short timeline. Will we still be able to get keys/method of transferring you speak of after October but not download in suite?

So basically if the author doesnt put another way for us to get it up we lose our purchases. I mean the timeline and warning should have been a bit longer. Losing the ability (an ability we had in the past) to download a copy thus losing our purchases for good is a bit nuts. I dont know why foot keeps meeting mouth with some of these changes.

Until the end of October? I mean we are all paid customers.

I would have hoped for a 6 month notice period to be honest not 2 1/2 months. Considering we cant download addons any more other than through admincp we cant even back up for a wayward plugin dev who is sick or unable to handle the change in 2 months. Please at least let us download what we own to self install for now.

No offence but this is crazy. what will happen for people hosting in the cloud? No mods?

Automated search monitoring so a user can configure a stream with certain forums and search term and if any posts are created they get emailed out as a digest to help draw them in, or at least a search term AS with rss feed.

Search keyword based activity streams would be epic if they returned, it may be something that requires ElasticSearch but it would be so useful for so many.

Sadly I bet cloud customers get email support......

As Ballmer would say: It is one of the reason several of your competitors were not options for us, they are so so valuable to a platform even if a customer doesnt buy an addon, its the perception that they can and there is a diverse ecosystem of addons as options. Nearly all big platforms over the last decade have been powered by very strong developers adding value. iOS, Android, forum competitors all have got where they are because of developers. Windows Phone died because of the lack of developers. Keeping them onboard and happy is a huge deal, it wont necessarily affect huge enterprise customers but it has a big effect on your long tail customers.

I dont think devs need a free license as such, they should pay the initial fee for the licenses but I do think you can work some magic for renewals. I know you wont be able to move fast on this as it will require thought but I did suggest a few approaches earlier in this thread. You could get dev's apply for reduced renewals based on the agreement the install wont be used to run a non-related purpose. They can have a public site but its for marketing/demo the addons, testing and direct support, that would mean even though they are selling lots of addons its adding value to your platform and allowing them to continue. In addition (or as a different approach) to this you could tier the commission for sales, they get a big discount on renewals but they have a higher tier of sales commissions for addons sold. Then if they hit a certain sales point they can pony up full renewal but reduce the commission they are charged by yourselves. This approach would allow people who make a lot of free addons to continue and feel hopefully more valued and it would make the whole product stronger. I dont expect a big in depth reply to this, I am more throwing suggestions to you so that it can be discussed behind the scenes as losing developers is one of the huge concerns I have and is a major issue for us. Its very conerning when some of the best devs on here have voiced concerns and also said they will be removing ipb addons from their package removing the ability for them to develop and expand those addons. I am considering releasing a few addons I have made privately but they would be free and our license would be used for a full separate site so I would not be eligible for the discount above which I would have no issue with. Man this is sad to read, I love your work and to see you doing math about its future. IPB try harder to help developers, they may not be your bread and butter with commission profits but they are so so important to the platform. They should get a very generous discount to continue to make addons Also I still think you could have done the price increase, kept everyone's next period 6 months (aka yearly switch happens 7 months from this date, 7 months to allow people to find out) and kept email support while steering people to the forum more. The price increase + losing direct email support is a big deal.

Just spit balling ideas for helping with devs but another option would be to tier commissions for addons potentially. I dont know what IPB charges right now as a % but say a dev gets a X% discount on renewal when the commission is higher for sales which would get the interest of smaller devs and help with free dev's. Then when they grow and sell more they can do the math and pay the full renewal cost to reduce the % because they have peaked over that. I know free addons have a staff cost but they really really help the ecosystem of IPB. This is a premium product but without dev's it becomes a niche product just like many many other tech examples out there. Also email support really really should be kept for the foreseeable, hell you could even do a discount for renew for no option to email support like inverse priority support although I know that may be a lesser option but it would help out smaller sites. I am not sure how much this was all dogfooded with 3rd party devs or smaller customers before these decisions were made but I am surprised this fallout was not better prepared for or handled.