andrew_wallasey Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 We have email logs why not PM Logs? We could have the disclaimer and warning on the PM screen like with email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlf Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 PM logs? I dont' know about Matt and the IPB admins but I know duff says it's against privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 Privacy issues and it's really just pointless, anyway. Only time you should be viewing members PM is to confirm abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krocheck Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 I have used PM Logs (A mod made by Dean) to confirm personal insults and abuse. There are uses for it ... so long as you do not have a curious admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 The purpose of a Private Message/Personal Message (PM) is for them to be private. Hence the name "Private Message/Personal Message". I personally like the way the current PM system works and I don't think a PM Log module needs to be implanted within the IPB's system. On top of this, as noted above a modification can be used to do this therefore if it's needed, I am certain those whom which want it will be able to install it.Edit: It appears if I don't use the correct word choice here I get flamed by inconsiderate overreacting members in this case, JasonS. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_C Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 PM logs? I dont' know about Matt and the IPB admins but I know duff says it's against privacy.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> duff? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ali Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 duff? :unsure:<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I believe he/she is referring to DuffMan. The coder and administrator of InvisionFree. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sire Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Why are email logs not a privacy matter then, if PMs are ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_wallasey Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Why are email logs not a privacy matter then, if PMs are ?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly.... We currently log all emails sent through the site. Why can we not turn something on to log all private messages? As long as we tell people in the agreement when they join (Like they do regarding logging the emails), I do not see how their is a problem with it doing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germany Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Emails are an unecessary thing to be sent through the site, and you are forewarned that they are logged, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_wallasey Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Emails are an unecessary thing to be sent through the site, and you are forewarned that they are logged, anyway.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> If you forewarn everyone the PMs are logged, I don't see the problem. If someone complains about being abused in PMs how are we supposed to know if it's true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..zapper Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 It is not illegal. I'd suggest to have a feature where you can turn on/off email and pm viewing by root-admins. If turned off, they also should be stored using encryption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_wallasey Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 It is not illegal. I'd suggest to have a feature where you can turn on/off email and pm viewing by root-admins. If turned off, they also should be stored using encryption.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think that is a good idea :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oncle Tom Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Maybe just MP logs without viewing them would be better. Postal services do not open your letters to check if your says are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew_wallasey Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Maybe just MP logs without viewing them would be better. Postal services do not open your letters to check if your says are correct.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes but the postal service do not deal with abusive mail do they? The police do... and we are the police of our boards, so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..zapper Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Maybe just MP logs without viewing them would be better. Postal services do not open your letters to check if your says are correct.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> To be honest, I don't care what postal services do or don't. As a provider I probably HAVE to keep logs of all email-like traffic for government use as of januari 1st 2005, I hope later or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..zapper Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 -zip dubblepost- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatalk Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 if you wanting pm log then just go to d scripting and get the hack for it its simple to do just make sure u make back ups before u mod the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oncle Tom Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Yes but the postal service do not deal with abusive mail do they? The police do... and we are the police of our boards, so to speak.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes they do ! Honnest people should not have to be managed as "criminals". If you don't want problems : shut down PM or act as an abuse is reported. Mails are private, if someone abuse from them, he must be penalized. When i receive something by mail (postal mail), i hate to see the letter opened or hurt. I don't matter if someone looks in my mails/MP if it is mentionned at the beginning, not when it's hidden. Imagine you send a password by MP, if the webmaster or somebody else looks at it, yeah great for privacy ! Think the feature is not just for you, it's for eveybody. And everybody is not "clean". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Griego Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Only time you should be viewing members PM is to confirm abuse.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is why a Report This PM method is the best balance between the need for the feature and the abuse of the feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krocheck Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Which is why a Report This PM method is the best balance between the need for the feature and the abuse of the feature.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Problem solved! That is a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael_C Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 If you forewarn everyone the PMs are logged, I don't see the problem. If someone complains about being abused in PMs how are we supposed to know if it's true?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> You can get them to forward you any PMs.Which is why a Report This PM method is the best balance between the need for the feature and the abuse of the feature.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oncle Tom Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 Agree too ^^ reporting an abuse is the best way, like for posts 'n topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlaw Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 It is not illegal. I'd suggest to have a feature where you can turn on/off email and pm viewing by root-admins. If turned off, they also should be stored using encryption.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Which is impossible. You have to "decrypt" them at some point meaning it's still easy to view them.Which is why a Report This PM method is the best balance between the need for the feature and the abuse of the feature.<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Agreed, I'd rather see a "report this pm" feature then a feature to allow viewing of all PM's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Germany Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 If, and I don't advocate, this were implemented, a notification that you're being monitored should be given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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