The Clash Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 With Nexus seeming to be the main focus, as well as IPB 3.0, some discussion I've heard about them is leaning toward the fact that IPS is changing focus to more business-oriented clients rather than the small website owner who just needs shared hosting, or a forum to run...Are these rumors true, or will IPS just be expanding to business customers as well as maintaining the hobbyist-type customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I dont know what is happening, but I highly doubt IPS will 'abandon' the people that helped get IPS where it is today :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Lindy Posted October 27, 2007 Management Share Posted October 27, 2007 Current and future products will simply be shaped to be more adaptable to their respective user. As a mere loose example with IPB, many of our enterprise customers don't want their users to use the PM system. They can presently skin it out, but the underlying base for the system remains. In future versions, things will become more modular and the PM system, calendar, etc. can be completely removed. On the other side, our hobbyist users want more features. We'll be able to accommodate that with core changes in future versions of IPB without adversely impacting performance and appearance for those who don't want such features. Scalability is key for the future. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Clash Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I dont know what is happening, but I highly doubt IPS will 'abandon' the people that helped get IPS where it is today :)No offense to anyone, but none of us expected what happened with 2.0 either...Current and future products will simply be shaped to be more adaptable to their respective user. As a mere loose example with IPB, many of our enterprise customers don't want their users to use the PM system. They can presently skin it out, but the underlying base for the system remains. In future versions, things will become more modular and the PM system, calendar, etc. can be completely removed. On the other side, our hobbyist users want more features. We'll be able to accommodate that with core changes in future versions of IPB without adversely impacting performance and appearance for those who don't want such features. Scalability is key for the future. :)...Then again, for the most part, it did turn out for the better. Good to hear that everyone will be happy. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Garcia Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I would hope that IPS keeps its current image. Affordable software for individuals & corporate software. Possibly having software that is extremely flexible as Lindy has explained.Such as an IPB Basic version, IPB Advanced version, and a IPB Corporate version. Each customized to fit each things. Such as Advanced version and Corporate versions have the ability to take out plugins such as calenders while the Basic version doesn't have any of those features but could be purchased.Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Clash Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Such as an IPB Basic version, IPB Advanced version, and a IPB Corporate version. Each customized to fit each things. Such as Advanced version and Corporate versions have the ability to take out plugins such as calenders while the Basic version doesn't have any of those features but could be purchased.Just a thought.I'd rather what Lindy was saying...A modular version of IPB, like Nexus is turning out to be - all of the features for the same price, but optional via the ACP....Not something like Microsoft did with the 5 versions of Vista. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immulsifier Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I'd rather what Lindy was saying...A modular version of IPB, like Nexus is turning out to be - all of the features for the same price, but optional via the ACP....Not something like Microsoft did with the 5 versions of Vista.I agree, letting people pick and choose what they want on top of the core is the way forward. Nexus illustrates this perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl M Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I agree, letting people pick and choose what they want on top of the core is the way forward. Nexus illustrates this perfectly.I think judgement should be reserved on that quote until Nexus is actually released and see how its users rate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Clash Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I definitely don't want IPB to be like Nexus in terms of what it will look like, how the ACP will work, etc. The ideas behind Nexus (scalability) are great, but in my opinion, the execution was poor. Professor P said it best: http://forums.invisionpower.com/index.php?showtopic=237660 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 We 'users' have been playing with Nexus for some time now, so our judgement doesn't need to be reserved :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie32 Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 Current and future products will simply be shaped to be more adaptable to their respective user. As a mere loose example with IPB, many of our enterprise customers don't want their users to use the PM system. They can presently skin it out, but the underlying base for the system remains. In future versions, things will become more modular and the PM system, calendar, etc. can be completely removed. On the other side, our hobbyist users want more features. We'll be able to accommodate that with core changes in future versions of IPB without adversely impacting performance and appearance for those who don't want such features. Scalability is key for the future. :)How about if there is a Home version of your products, that have more personal features, and a professional version that is for enterprise uses :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Working4computers Posted October 27, 2007 Share Posted October 27, 2007 I can't think of anything worst, to turn IP.Board into Vista.... with five different versions for each user.... urgh.From what I understood of what Lindy said, I didn't see that payment of modules would be introduced. I saw it as, the ability to fully turn basic modules (calender, pm system.... etc) off, removing them from use.IMO, I love IP.Nexus, the administration and ability behind it; and if tabs were introduced replacing the current tabs in the IP.Board ACP, I would see it as a great improvement.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Lindy Posted October 28, 2007 Management Share Posted October 28, 2007 How about if there is a Home version of your products, that have more personal features, and a professional version that is for enterprise uses :)Different home users have different needs as do enterprise users, so it would be difficult to simply create IPB "editions." I can tell you that moving forward, there will of course be different options available for different types of users. As a standard disclaimer, we're certainly not going to strip out the PM system, calendar, or anything else and begin offering them for sale as separate components, nor are we going to begin charging for individual features. It is likely, however, that you will see more add-on modules/applications become available with the next generation of IP.Board.To develop advanced modules and features within the software (I have no off-hand examples), requires significant ongoing development and support resources. Some companies choose to pass these costs along to the customer by way of an across-the-board price increase that everyone pays, or some choose to offer them as options. We prefer the latter as not everyone may need or want the expanded functionality and thus, should not have to incur the cost. Similar to purchasing a car -- if you don't feel a navigation system is necessary for your vehicle, you shouldn't have to pay for it. We'll have a lot of information available as we progress. As of right now, there are other priorities such as Nexus, IPSBeyond, introduction of new hosting services, etc. Stay tuned to the company blog. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Garcia Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I am sure IPS will go forth in great success as they have been for years, pleasing many people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis M. Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 I definatly like the way Nexus components / addons appear to work. I think IPB would benefit from it greatly in the future! I do like IPS a lot and can not wait to see what else they keep coming up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Dopey~ Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 ...introduction of new hosting services...Is there anywhere I can read about this? :unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom T Posted October 28, 2007 Share Posted October 28, 2007 Is there anywhere I can read about this? :unsure:Stay tuned to the company blog.As Lindy said, they will post updates and discussion in their blog, or in the News forum. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Dopey~ Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 As Lindy said, they will post updates and discussion in their blog, or in the News forum. :) :o :blush: *my bad* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 The current design of Nexus is wonderful. If it needs some fine tuning, it'll get it. But as it stands, IP.Nexus's interface is so much better than IPB's right now. That's why I wish that IPS would make IPB a component of Nexus.... The Nexus business product could be used for personal use just as much as IPB can be used for business.I saw a comment about IP.Nexus not working with javascript disabled... Well with the current design it's hard to make it work. Nowadays it's hard to find a browser that doesn't support Javascript. The most trouble you'd really have is with a mobile phone.. And with the iPhone using a complete browser, the competition isn't going to stay far behind (Opera). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immulsifier Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I think judgement should be reserved on that quote until Nexus is actually released and see how its users rate it.Maybe you have not noticed that beta 1 has been out for over a week and we have been using it all that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted October 30, 2007 Share Posted October 30, 2007 I saw a comment about IP.Nexus not working with javascript disabled... Well with the current design it's hard to make it work. Nowadays it's hard to find a browser that doesn't support Javascript. The most trouble you'd really have is with a mobile phone.. And with the iPhone using a complete browser, the competition isn't going to stay far behind (Opera).I'm not too worried about Opera, but I fear our biggest challenge there is getting Microsoft to update Pocket IE for the first time in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 I'm not too worried about Opera, but I fear our biggest challenge there is getting Microsoft to update Pocket IE for the first time in years.Well you see that's the thing - the "mobile version" of IE is not a full browser. It's designed to be a mobile browser, much like the mobile Opera is. What I meant before is with the iPhone having a full browser on a mobile device, it's going to drive the competition into putting a full browser onto theirs. And with most companies like Nokia, Motorola, and Samsug having their own "mobile os" (not counting Windows Mobile devices), the only way they'll get a full browser like Apple has is if they contract something with Opera. With the "windows mobile" devices, it is very unlikely that they'll be able to fit the current version of IE onto a mobile device. It just isn't designed to be compact, especially with it's reliance on DirectX. It will happen eventually though, but not before IE gets another work over.. And by then other companies will have already beat Microsoft to it using Opera... Unless Microsoft puts millions of dollars into it in a rush, which they like to do... And we all know what happens when they rush things. Infact, they don't always have to be in a rush for things to go so horribly wrong.Point being... Mobile devices are the only devices with limited browser capability, accept for the iPhone. There should be no reason for a browser not to have java script enabled on a computer. And with "mobi web" or "wap" going down the pipes, that limited capability isn't going to last in phones either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The real issue is that Opera Mobile is a pretty terrible option for a lot of people - since they charge $25USD for it. As if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 31, 2007 Share Posted October 31, 2007 The real issue is that Opera Mobile is a pretty terrible option for a lot of people - since they charge $25USD for it. As if.Again... I didn't say "opera mobile" I said "opera". A company that already has experience with mobile devices like Opera would be most likely be the next ones to have a FULL browser on a mobile device. And you wouldn't be paying for it, the mobile companies would. There is no way in hell that Nokia, Samsung, or Motorola is going to make their own "full browser". It would make sense that they would apeal to opera. The reason why it's $25 USD is because it doesn't actually come with these devices. It's something you have to get separately.Also, Opera and Mozilla are the only mainstream cross-platform compatible browsers on the market. Mobile devices hasn't really been Mozilla's focus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 1, 2007 Share Posted November 1, 2007 Also, Opera and Mozilla are the only mainstream cross-platform compatible browsers on the market.According to most stats, Webkit-based browsers ( Safari mainly ) have a far ( 4%~ ) bigger market share than Opera. Webkit is open source and cross platform ( Safari on Windows, KHTML powers Konqueror and is in the process of being re-merged with/into Webkit ).Also don't forget that the iPhone isn't the only Webkit based mobile browser. Nokia are using it on a number of their phones now, and i'm certain there are others. Mobile devices hasn't really been Mozilla's focus.It hasn't been in the past, but it certainly is now. They've committed to releasing a mobile version of Firefox as soon as they can, likely in the Firefox 4 timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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