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princetontiger Collaborator

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It doesn't matter if vBulletin is used by more than IPB. IPB has positioned itself in the market VERY well. Most of IPB's success today is from Matt's reputation at coding Ikonboard, one of the best forum softwares of its time.

In any case, there will always be a Coke and Pepsi of a market (generally)... and IPB and vBulletin are both known in the forum software market.

Cool Surfer Enthusiast

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It doesn't matter if vBulletin is used by more than IPB. IPB has positioned itself in the market VERY well. Most of IPB's success today is from Matt's reputation at coding Ikonboard, one of the best forum softwares of its time.



Well Said :thumbsup:
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Lindy Grand Master

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So If someone gets 6 mo license n gets hs forum copy, then he doesnt


pay again, will that forum be licensed to him for life?



Will he be legally able to use the forum.



Assuming I'm understanding you correctly, yes. If you purchase a standard license, you may use that version of the software (or the latest version up to the point your license expires) for as long as you'd like. You simply would not get product updates (beyond security), support, etc.
TestingSomething Rising Star

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Shouldn't IPB remove licenses for my username which I have upgraded? Basically I upgraded 2 yearly licenses to perpetuals, but since they never removed the old ones, technically, I could list 4 different site u.r.l.s for them and just not upgrade 2 of them anymore. I assume that is not allowed, thus havent installed it anywehre but the 2 places, but it's still weird seeing 4 licenses with url settings.

I am also wondering if anything other than blog and gallery will be released any time soon which can be added to IPB. And shouldn't we be testing out converge with this current beta? Or is it not ready?

Michael Grand Master

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Shouldn't IPB remove licenses for my username which I have upgraded? Basically I upgraded 2 yearly licenses to perpetuals, but since they never removed the old ones, technically, I could list 4 different site u.r.l.s for them and just not upgrade 2 of them anymore. I assume that is not allowed, thus havent installed it anywehre but the 2 places, but it's still weird seeing 4 licenses with url settings.



I am also wondering if anything other than blog and gallery will be released any time soon which can be added to IPB. And shouldn't we be testing out converge with this current beta? Or is it not ready?


I have one yearly I upgraded to perpetual, but the yearly is no longer active for me to get into it and adjust the URL for it. Are your original, non-upgraded yearlies still active?

IDM will be released soon.
SnakEyez Rookie

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The new pricing is to sustain IPB in the long run. Right now if you were to own a perpetual or lifetime license you would have access to all future versions without paying a dime.

My only problem with the scheme of the package is that they don't include the Download Manager. I do not believe that the download manager, in its current form, is a stand-alone application like planned Nexus looks to be. I really don't see why the Download Manager should have the a $25 yearly renewal fee when the suite as it stands now(IPB, IP Gallery, IP Blog) would have a $50 yearly renewal fee.

TestingSomething Rising Star

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I have one yearly I upgraded to perpetual, but the yearly is no longer active for me to get into it and adjust the URL for it. Are your original, non-upgraded yearlies still active?



IDM will be released soon.


Will IDM simply be like the current free one of Brandon's though?
Munja Newbie

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Please don't speculate on things you're not sure of... you happen to be incorrect. :)



I swear I saw charles post that a day or two after the beta 1 was released.

Either way that is good news for use folks that don't require the support.

Edit: Ahh, I found the post and he was refering to if you let the yearly licence expire not the new licence. My Bad :(
whitetigergrowl Enthusiast

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While I understand why IPS is making IPB technically more expensive, there is a stigma to all this. Does IPS really want IPB to be known as the most expensive of the popular forum softwares, especially considering as has been brought up in this thread, that technically VB is more popular and has never changed their prices. And considering how much it gets compared to VB, people tend to go for the cheaper of the 2.

I know I keep seeing that IPB and VB go after different audiences. However that has never been clarified as to what audience IPS is going after with IPB that makes it so different from its competitors.

Personally I'm not a fan of the new pricing. Maybe if it was IPB 3.0 and was a major overhaul or improvement over the competitors I would re-consider. However while there have been some nice additions to 2.2, I don't feel its worth the price change. This also concerns me. Will IPS keep changing the price of IPB every time there is some sort of upgrade they feel is major or worthwhile? With 3.0 I could see the price changeing. With 2.2 I just can't. This also brings up the obvious question.

If someone doesn't want to pay for half the year, and only wants to pay for the first half. Does it mean they will not be able to access downloads and such on IPSBeyond the other half of the year that they aren't paying for it for those with Lifetime licenses? If so, IMO I find this counter-productive. You may have some of the more hardcore people renewing, but those that are more casual I believe will end up visiting Invisionize more and not renewing unless they absolutely have to.

While this all may be my humble opinion, I find it disturbing to say the least. Does this mean that with the next major release down the road after 3.0, IPB could top $200? As well, what demographic is IPS exactly going for with IPB. People keep saying its going after a different audience but no one officially elaborates on that. Especially considering VB has not changed their prices, is technically more popular, and we know shortly down the road will add many of the same features IPB currently has. Sure people can go for the innovator. But its not about who innovates, but who does it best.

I know that I will likely not renew my support. Its just getting too expensive. And its not a good selling point to see a '3 day response' guarantee. Even if it could be 1 day or less, seeing that is not exactly reassuring.

To each their own. But this new pricing structure, at this time, I just cannot justify.

ZainZ Explorer

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I really am not in the favour of the new pricing scheme. Whitetigergrowl has raised an excellent point. Even if IPS is catering a different audience, it IS compared to VB a lot (known fact). While making the choice, licensing options get significant priority in mind of the customer :). I think IPB should reconsider its licensing options

michael n Newbie

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As well, what demographic is IPS exactly going for with IPB. People keep saying its going after a different audience but no one officially elaborates on that.



I'm also very curious about this...
SnakEyez Rookie

SnakEyez

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I'm also very curious about this...



In defense of IPB on their market. I don't believe it has anything to do with the forum industry. IPS sees their products as a productive suite more than a standalone product. This is because most of their products rely on the core. I believe the reason most people don't see the distinction IPS is trying to make is because it is not the clearest mostly because IPB is the only standalone product they currently have, although Nexus is supposed to be the next. If IP Gallery and IP Blog could be run without being linked to IPB then I would say that they have distinguished themselves more. Although despite my understanding of what I believe they are trying to say, I would have to agree with the masses that the majority of their products do not run on their own and the only distinction between IPB and vB is that IPB has company-supported mods.
michael n Newbie

michael n

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In defense of IPB on their market. I don't believe it has anything to do with the forum industry. IPS sees their products as a productive suite more than a standalone product.



This (the IPB, IPG etc) integration is why I use IBP and not vB... maybe this is what they mean when the say IPS is for a different audience... :ph34r: ... The "suite" audience (w00t)
Dark Phantom Newbie

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When you get a license for IPB, you can use it for the rest of your life.


When you get a license for vB, you can use it for one

year and than you have to stop using it or buy a new licence... so you can't really compare.



You can use a vBulletin owned license as long as you want.

Its their yearly license that you MUST remove if it expires.
Dark Phantom Newbie

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One point of clarification Charles. You own a yearly(Standard) License and your 6 months are over and you don't do the 6 month renewal. Say in 10 months there is major upgrade, can you then pay the $25 renewal fee and receive the upgrade or will you have to pay full price. That would be a very good selling point if it is what I think I have heard.



Charles has said several times, and infact he said it in this thread, that you do NOT have to renew the 6 months of support and upgrades.

You can pay for it at ANY POINT and get 6 months.

I don't see it changing, for the major fact it has taken over a year to get 2.2.0, if they had charged people for "product updates" during that time and they never got 1 major update they might have an major problem with alot of people.
michael n Newbie

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You can use a vBulletin owned license as long as you want.



Its their yearly license that you MUST remove if it expires.



I know but the difference (between owned IPB 69,99USD and vB 160USD) in price was substantial. It won't be that big when the new IPS starts using the new prices.
Mark Grand Master

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I just love hanging around this forum for nothing Maybe this is the crazy audience


IPb is after. Die hard types Been using IPB for since 1.2 version.



:lol:




This (the IPB, IPG etc) integration is why I use IBP and not vB... maybe this is what they mean when the say IPS is for a different audience... :ph34r: ... The "suite" audience (w00t)



That's what I would assume. IPS have lots of products, some coming soon (Board, Blog, Gallery, Download Manager, Nexus, Dynamic, Vectura and Converge) and (using Converge) they all will work together in Unison.
Wheras Jelsoft (vBuletin) as far as I am aware only make that, so I would assume (this is mere speculation) that IPS are looking more towards companies that will use them for there whole website (+ hosting) whereas Jelsoft expect you to use them just as a BBS.
N1K@Wincert Apprentice

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And unlike vBulletin, your software still works when your licence expires even if you buy the cheap package ;)



On one side, being a college student, I dont' have much money to continously pour into IPB, at the same time, I respect these guys work and it's definately worth it. I got a perpetual licence myself before the change seeing it as a good deal with software that I'll have for a LONG time.



There should be a cheap "upgrades only" package though with no support.



Like I'm listening to myself, I totally agree with you mate :thumbsup:
Cherrymenthol Newbie

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As much as sympathise with IPS, they all work very hard to get software to the standard it is, it remains as a bit of a bummer to me. I am not earning, I am too young to, but I love IPB, so dishing out the $25 is harder than a quick $69.95 once a year. I would have upgraded if I could, but I am not in the financial position to do so. That's life I suppose.

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