bwyatt Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I would really love it if a future release would have realiable banning systems. Simple thing is: When you ban someone, they dont stay banned and always return. IP banning always fails because of people with dynamic addresses. I dont know how you can exactly do this, but it would be nice if you could give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antony Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 If people have dynamic IP addresses, create different email accounts and forum accounts, then no, there isn't anything you can do to stop them via the board. A ban should be used as a system to get rid of someone who won't go away - if they keep comming back, you'd be best advised to send a email to the offender's ISP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosebud519 Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I have the same problem, the person keeps changing IP providers and using proxy providers. No way to get rid of the person legally. I am a total nutcase over this because of what the person has done to me. I am at the point of getting rid of the board completely and that infuriates me, but for my mental and physical health, I can't deal with the person any longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanrs Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 :luck: You could make a group that can bypass moderation, then change all current members to the group that bypasses moderation, then set the forums to moderate messages, then when new members post messages you can approve the messages and change the member's group to the group that can bypass moderation, if their posts are not abusive. Then if a member tries to post "bad" posts you can set their group back to the moderated group. If they just sign up for another membership then they will be back in the moderated message sequence again. Over the years I did this with previous message board software and now use this idea with invisionboard software. I hope all goes well for you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulk Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 The best way I find to ban persistent ban evaders is to make sure email validation is on, then ban all the the free email providers you can think of, you can use wild cards on domain banning too, so ban *@hotmail.com, *@yahoo.com etc. If he uses a diffrent one you havn't heard of, ban that too. Having to register a new email address is time consuming as it is, but if he can't do it using a free provider hes going to run out of places to get a new address pretty soon. After a few months when hes lost interest you can remove the free email bans. Of course this has the effect of stoping new legit users from signing up with a free address, but imo its a small price to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSum Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 If people have dynamic IP addresses, create different email accounts and forum accounts, then no, there isn't anything you can do to stop them via the board. A ban should be used as a system to get rid of someone who won't go away - if they keep comming back, you'd be best advised to send a email to the offender's ISP. How would you know which ISP to send the complaint to if the member is using a proxy? How about requiring the running of an ActiveX control at registration time that detects and records unique characteristics from the user's computer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarber Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 How would you know which ISP to send the complaint to if the member is using a proxy? How about requiring the running of an ActiveX control at registration time that detects and records unique characteristics from the user's computer? This encroaches quite badly on privacy laws if you ask me. You'd have to make the user fully aware of what's going on (and I'm not entirely sure what information can be gathered through an activex control at that, not to mention they only work in IE last I checked). Banning is always a sore spot. IP banning is the best method, however as you've illustrated, it's impossible to IP ban a lot of users because they have dynamic IPs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcello Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 What about mac address banning? Isn't this possible yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve H Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 Takes about a min to change your Mac Address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSum Posted November 21, 2005 Share Posted November 21, 2005 This encroaches quite badly on privacy laws if you ask me. You'd have to make the user fully aware of what's going on (and I'm not entirely sure what information can be gathered through an activex control at that, not to mention they only work in IE last I checked). Banning is always a sore spot. IP banning is the best method, however as you've illustrated, it's impossible to IP ban a lot of users because they have dynamic IPs. I guess the best option is to put all new members into a premod group until a moderator has a chance to review their posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
//Nathan Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 The mod-preview group is the best idea I've heard so far. Banning may be shaky, but Invision's mod-preview feature is awesome. I once threw a flamer into the mod queue, and it was pretty funny, not to mention completely effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFGuru Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Banning based upon mac address isn't perfect but would solve the problem with less saavy users who would not know how to get around it. Another thing that should be done is the registration system should look for the existence of a cookie containing a previous login ID. Again, not fool proof but still one of many options that might help. Also, it would allow tracking people who sign up with more than one account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidsshow Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 Another thing that should be done is the registration system should look for the existence of a cookie containing a previous login ID. Again, not fool proof but still one of many options that might help. Also, it would allow tracking people who sign up with more than one account. one of the best ideas i've heared in ages... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capbiker Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 one of the best ideas i've heared in ages... And one of the easist to get around. Just delete your cookies, and it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipstenu Posted December 6, 2005 Share Posted December 6, 2005 I concur with capbiker. It's probably safe to assume that if someone's smart enough to switch IP addresses, they know to delete cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bobby Posted December 11, 2005 Share Posted December 11, 2005 ok, i know how to do this say they keep getting 7.6.52.535 7.6.52.533 7.6.52.599 7.6.51.534 then do this in the IPB Ban 7.6.**.*** It worked on my board good luck :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TestingSomething Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 I know firsthand there really isn't a way for reliable banning. If Gamefaqs can't get rid of people, nowhere is going to be able to do much better, I would think. It is a huge site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwyatt Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Well, Why don't we go super advanced, by banning the OS serial number or something. :lol: Block something individually unique to computer users... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayX Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 there's nothing concrete and never will be, for my busiest site we have a 10 post limit thats passed thru moderation, then you go "live". it doesn't eliminate the problems, but in fairness its helped out a great deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 The problem is that you do not actually have access to any useful unique information. (Not even MAC address by the way... banning by that would only result in you banning the last router between the offender and you. Guess what, that's YOUR router. I see this misconception far too often. MAC addresses cannot be used). The best you could likely do is install an ActiveX control (whoops, Windows is suddenly your only supported OS for a FORUM), or (I like this idea) SMS validation. Sure, the offender can go out and get 60 email addresses to spam you, but good luck getting 60 cellphones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Wylde Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 There is a Misery Mod. Why dont you let them register and as soon as you find out they are bad users.. you put them in the Misery group. I have tested that Mod.. it is AWESOME for trouble users.. They get bored and then leave. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FCB-Mo Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 what does a misery mod do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grek Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 That will tell about creation and support of black-lists of anonymous proxies-servers which infringers often use. IPS could hold such database, and clients to use it, as it is done concerning for example bad mail-relays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayX Posted February 2, 2006 Share Posted February 2, 2006 misery just does things to annoy the user, like slow down the response time of the server etc. i personally think its pointless, and i wouldn't sign up to a forum that uses it. also anyone who causes trouble will just log out and create a new registration, it wouldn't hinder them in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flesh_magick Posted February 3, 2006 Share Posted February 3, 2006 test post. I just tried posting and it said this is a read only forum :( edit: yeah, now it decides to work lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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