Gros Blaireau Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Hello, We have some categories in the forum, in the gallery, in IP.Download, in IP.Content, etc... We have to click on the navbar, we wait the loading of the page, then we have to find the good category on the page, we click, an other page to load, etc... Wy don't you add a good dynamic menu in the navbar, same style than when we click on the nickname (top right) ? One click, the list of every categories for a system appears, an other click and we are on it. Imagine, this system could make us save 5 secondes par clique. 5 secondes * 15.000.000 IPB users across the world, that means : 5*15 000 000= 75 000 000 secondes 75.000.000/60= 1 250 000 minutes 1 250 000/60 = 20 800 hours 20800 /24 = 866 days With my dynamic menu, we win 866 days by click. We're doing better than the FED, create time from nothing ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanax Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 So you basically mean dropmenus? If so I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I've asked for drop down menus for the primary navigation before. However let's take it a step further. If possible, check the members permissions. If there is an application that they wouldn't be able to access anyway, then don't give them the option to use it. ie, the chat, blogs, etc. That way, they only see things that they can click. Would be nice to be able to specify which menu to put the applications into as well. Then I could group them by IPS apps, 3rd party, misc. Or Features for some items and then Site Support for others. Just be nice to have the ability to have a few drop down menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanax Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 That's kind of smart. IPS will say though that the permission check will probably be wasted server resources. However think of this; If we remove the link to the Gallery for those who don't have permission, they won't be able to click it and load a completely new page(+ a permissioncheck). That must be more resource demanding than just checking it before displaying a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 That's kind of smart. IPS will say though that the permission check will probably be wasted server resources. However think of this; If we remove the link to the Gallery for those who don't have permission, they won't be able to click it and load a completely new page(+ a permissioncheck). That must be more resource demanding than just checking it before displaying a link. That's a single instance. If you compare 20 page loads with them clicking on it once, then that's 19 wasted resources. But the true comparison is how much time/etc is required per page load to do it -vs- letting them click the link to get the error message. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Blaireau Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 So you basically mean dropmenus? If so I'm all for it. Dropmenus yes, I didn't find the english word. Well, in the admin, we could have a page "configure the navbar". Then for each system (board, pages, download...) we can add a link (text + url with 2 input text). If we want more links, we click on "add one link more on the dropmenu", etc... As much as we need. Better with a 2 level dropmenu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilted Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Can't all of this be done with simple skin edits and conditionals? I'm not saying it's unnecessary (I definitely see the use), but this is something you can code to your site's needs and wouldn't break on upgrades. With limited IP developers, I'd like to see more functionality added, less babysitting xhtml that we can do on our end. I'm sure plenty of webmasters don't even use the default skin nav system. This could add server load to everyone, even those that don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 If it's pre-included, then other skinners would be more likely to include it in their releases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Blaireau Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 This also save ressources to the server, only one page to load. Yes this dropmenu must be pre-included, it's too much difficult to do for most of the IPB users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilted Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 How does this save resources? You're loading the categories of every plugin on every single page of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Blaireau Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 The dropdowns are loaded one time, then there is the cache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tilted Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 The pages you're replacing are also cached. You're now caching content on every page that will be used by a minority of posters. I won't mention bandwidth, page loading, etc. This is why we have sub-categories. I don't need a mini-sitemap in my header. Maybe your site does. Like I said, I definitely see the use for it on certain sites, so I'm not trying to shoot down the idea. But what you're asking can easily be done on your end. It would take you under an hour to write your own xhtml dropdown, versus IP developing a system that's functional for every customer and adding overhead to every forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 I'd be happy with the skin being set up to put the apps into a drop down menu (even just non IPS apps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Geek Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Imagine, this system could make us save 5 secondes par clique. 5 secondes * 15.000.000 IPB users across the world, that means : 5*15 000 000= 75 000 000 secondes 75.000.000/60= 1 250 000 minutes 1 250 000/60 = 20 800 hours 20800 /24 = 866 days With my dynamic menu, we win 866 days by click. +1 just because I love the justification! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin39 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 It would take you under an hour to write your own xhtml dropdown, versus IP developing a system that's functional for every customer and adding overhead to every forum. Sorry Tilted but we are not all coders, because you can does not mean we can. Thats why we buy WYSIWYG programs to help us, dropdown menus have been asked for on here for numerous years, so has an easier way to use the Portal system, so far both have been ignored. And if someone can write one in less than an hour, why don't they help their peers out and make one for them, making themselves feel good because they helped someone. Nice to be Nice. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier Turbis Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Too much dropdowns kill dropdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin39 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 Yes but we don't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Too much dropdowns kill dropdowns. Too many UNNECESSARY dropdowns kill the usefulness of dropdowns. Having one for the apps so that the primary nav bar doesn't become screwed up would qualify as a necessary dropdown. Yes but we don't have any. Yes we do. The member dropdown (top right) is one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanax Posted February 1, 2010 Share Posted February 1, 2010 Yes we do. The member dropdown (top right) is one. Yes, but I think he was referring to the navbar, which the topic was about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gros Blaireau Posted February 1, 2010 Author Share Posted February 1, 2010 I have to say that I prefer a dropdown menu working with an on-click action, like the one of the nickname (top right). An on-mouse-over menu like the one on the index of invision (or now above the forum) is too light in my opinion. For exemple, if we want to click on the banner, the cursor will fly above a link in the navbar and hop, a menu appears but that wasn't wanted. So an on-click dropdown menu is better in my opinion, it's stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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