Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Since today is the company's 12th birthday... I guess we can go ahead and start releasing public-facing blog entries now.Expect the first ones to go public next week. If it makes any of the naysayers in this topic happy: we have dozens of blog entries lined up in queue :smile:Happy birthday. O: You guys should've waited a day so that you could say that the company's birthday is on valentines day so that we could validate our CharlesxMatt ships.
TracyIsland Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 I suspect 2015. Just sayin! Who wants to take bets? My standing bet is 10 August 2014 for the final first release of 4.0
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 My standing bet is 10 August 2014 for the final first release of 4.0 They don't release on Sundays.
pavero Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Hello I see many topics about 4.x What I wonder is if the version is compatible with IP.Content 2.3.x and also IP.Blog etc.. etc.. do we risk losing everything we create with IP.Content?
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Hello I see many topics about 4.x What I wonder is if the version is compatible with IP.Content 2.3.x and also IP.Blog etc.. etc.. do we risk losing everything we create with IP.Content? They'll be making an IP.Content 4.x and all that other stuff. Nothing will be lost. But your templates in IP.Content will probably be destroyed if you used the IPB CSS framework. Huh. Actually. All the template logic will also be destroyed won't it? :/ Is anything going to be done about that IPS?
TracyIsland Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 They don't release on Sundays. Welcome back Rimi. Where you been? Okay, then I hereby adjust my standing bet to 11 August 2014.
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Welcome back Rimi. Where you been? Okay, then I hereby adjust my standing bet to 11 August 2014. Internet jail. I would bet on August 12. I think they tend to do releases on Tuesdays.
Misi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 My standing bet is 10 August 2014 for the final first release of 4.0 They don't release on Sundays. That was a typo, he wanted to type 10 August 2015.(That's Monday)
Izaya Orihara Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 My standing bet is 10 August 2014 for the final first release of 4.0 Internet jail. I would bet on August 12. I think they tend to do releases on Tuesdays. Ooh no, i hope it won't be all the way till August :( LOL of course on the flip-side, my 19th birthday IS August 24th, so this would be a good b-day gift lol Anyway, Happy Birthday/Belated Birthday to IPS, you're almost a teenger haha and i look forward to seeing some blogs next week!
Soniceffect Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 The blog entries are ALREADY WRITTEN... Peeps keep saying "OMG LET THE DEVELOPERS DO THEY JOB AND NOT WASTE TIME WRITING BLOGZ!!"Reading comprehension!!! They've already indicated they've written plenty of blog entries and are just... sitting on them. The fact that they're sitting on them this long, trying to stretch... things... out... doesn't bode particularly well. Furthermore, if the information in these blog entries is valid, already written, etc., the only reason to apply intentional constipation to their publishing is to keep people pacified while estimates are revised into the future, and early 2014 becomes 2014 becomes early 2015... They are already part written, and I do believe I can read a post without text speak, caps, or indeed bold. I was stating my opinion nothing more. Won't be bated into an arguement. Yes. Focus on one cliche phrase and ignore the rest of my post. That's a good way to debate a point. Meanwhile look at all those likes my post got. I think that point that you just ignored is kind of valid. Why would I respond to something you said which is correct? There was nothing to repond to. I never said you were incorrect in that did I? Or am I missing something? For the record it was my opinion not a debate. Im not going to start a arguements with anyone, just stating what I thought nothing more. I never replied to every other post you have ever done that doesnt mean Im ignoring them, just nothing much to say on them. You are seriously gonna rate an opinion based on the amount of likes a post gets? If I posted up that vbulletin is xyz in an extremely derogatory manor, full of swearing at it, abusing some of the senior people on their team etc it would get a hell of a lot of likes (not an asumption, you only need to visit some forums to see it in action). Doesnt mean that the post would be right, in fact it would be wrong on many levels. PS:- Vbulletin is horrible btw, just using as an example lol. And I DONT wanna argue with ya. We just have differing views. All is good, thats how the world turns :)
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 IPS looks at suggestions based on how many likes the post gets. This has been stated multiple times by their management.
Shariq Ansari Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 They are already part written, and I do believe I can read a post without text speak, caps, or indeed bold. I was stating my opinion nothing more. Won't be bated into an arguement. How about lured into a discussion, then? :smile: We're all just stating our opinions, for the most part... you indicated you'd rather the developers work on development than on blog entries. If the entries are done and simply lack photos, your opinion didn't really make much sense or acknowledge this situation. I also happen to think that, regardless of this fact, communication of status is rather important. The blog entries we HAVE been getting have been pretty damn solid... but there's often a period of radio silence in between. Rather than saying nothing, a quick blog post indicating where things are at, when we can expect the next full blog post, whatever... 2 paragraphs, 7 bullet points, something that would only really take an hour or so... would be preferable. It sounds like through either persuasion or coincidence, we'll be getting some new blog entries soon, which is excellent news. I'm not a naysayer when it comes to IPS... I'm really more of a yaysayer... but I think it's completely appropriate for customers to request continued communication during periods of uncertainty, like the release of a major point release.
Soniceffect Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 IPS looks at suggestions based on how many likes the post gets. This has been stated multiple times by their management. OK ... And that still doesn't change my opinion, regardless of what the likes are used for. They can be used to buy ice creams on a hot day if they like lol
Soniceffect Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 How about lured into a discussion, then? :smile: We're all just stating our opinions, for the most part... you indicated you'd rather the developers work on development than on blog entries. If the entries are done and simply lack photos, the opinion didn't really make much sense. I also happen to think that, regardless of this fact, communication of status is rather important. Oh no doubt whatsoever, but can honestly say as a developer myself I know how much time these small things can take up. If there are really as many blogs to come as some suggest and they are as high quality as the previous they will take time. May only be 5 mins here, 10 mins there, but it all adds up to the removal of development time and personally I would rather them spend that time on the development itself. Dont get me wrong, I'm every bit as much eager to see it as anyone else. In fact the whole reason Im here to respond to you at all is simply because I visit on a daily basis just to see if there has been any update lol. So yeah, maybe a little hypocrytical in that sense, just saying personally I know these things just eat into your day.
Izaya Orihara Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 What i don't understand is why people feel the need to be Informed with blog entries all the time and where the "Uncertainty" for the future is coming from? I remember being on Xenforo last year and given the issues with the court case and the developers seemingly weren't saying much of anything and people were worried...on the flipside, it's been like a month or so since the last blog update...I am not sure why people are freaking out lol
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 What i don't understand is why people feel the need to be Informed with blog entries all the time and where the "Uncertainty" for the future is coming from? I remember being on Xenforo last year and given the issues with the court case and the developers seemingly weren't saying much of anything and people were worried...on the flipside, it's been like a month or so since the last blog update...I am not sure why people are freaking out lolYeah and people totally didn't leave xenforo in favor of ipb with all that uncertainty in the air.
Soniceffect Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Yeah and people totally didn't leave xenforo in favor of ipb with all that uncertainty in the air. See, dont always disagree with ya LOL I left xenforo for vBulletin. Boy what a mistake that was. Now Im back here lol
Calvin39 Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Keep up the good work IPB, let them wait till its done, keep the head down do your work in peace and let them keep guessing. How much of "When its ready" do people not understand.
Rimi Posted February 14, 2014 Posted February 14, 2014 Keep up the good work IPB, let them wait till its done, keep the head down do your work in peace and let them keep guessing. How much of "When its ready" do people not understand.The part where it's never actually "ready" because being ready implies that there are no bugs and given the nature of software there are never no bugs.
VyVid Productions Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 I think people are starting to have a "the sky is falling" mentality over the lack of immediate blog posts and the projected timeline of release. Sure, they have a good amount of blog posts lined up left unpublished until their ready to release them. Some blog posts, as the Staff have time and time again stated may need adjustments in due course because of last minute changes. With a new iPhone release, do you require Apple to release every shred of information about the release prior to their showing? No. Do they have millions of documents about their new phones prior to their release that they "could" show to the press and the public? Of course. Will they ever? No. IPS offers a great deal of transparency compared to many other companies these days. That's something hard to come by these days for sure. They're offering us a unique look behind-the-scenes of their progress and the features of the new update before the release. Let's give them some time. Just because someone says "When it's ready" doesn't mean, as some people seem to be insinuating, it will NEVER be released. I'm sure there have been delays in past releases for whatever reason at the time and everybody balked over it. Then it was released and everybody was positive or negative about something involving the release, the software, whatever. Everybody has their opinions, of course. But you cannot please everyone's demands, no matter how much they shout about it. But some people take one statement over the line of annoyance (in repeating it over and over again), beat that statement with a stick, and run in circles saying "the sky is falling, the sky is falling just because IPS doesn't release a blog post immediately when we want them to and that they missed their projected deadline!!!". Please, let's all be reasonable and remember that they are transparent and that they will release it. It's not like it will never be released. Plus, if I read correctly, Charles said they might start releasing blog posts as early as next week to get the ball rolling! Since today is the company's 12th birthday... I guess we can go ahead and start releasing public-facing blog entries now. Expect the first ones to go public next week. If it makes any of the naysayers in this topic happy: we have dozens of blog entries lined up in queue :smile: And no. The sky isn't falling. (That pretty much sums up my thoughts over all this over the top back and forth arguing in this topic...)
Rimi Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 He only said that because of this topic though. That's why this is the feedback board. He was listening to feedback.
ørret Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 Why "When ready™" and not "When ready©"? Tell me dammit!
Clover13 Posted February 15, 2014 Posted February 15, 2014 It sounds like 4.0 is a massive update to their software, give them time to do it right. If you keep pressuring them to push it out (prematurely), then you'll be complaining they didn't regression test the software well enough and they'll be spending all their time addressing your questions/bug reports instead of further developing the software. The first release is a crucial one, it will come, they didn't put all this work into developing it and writing blog entries about the features for nothing. Patience :smile:
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