New pricing will not be cheaper overall for people who don't requi

[Boozer]

We AREN'T being charged for peer-to-peer support. IPSbeyond is a repository for mods and skins that you won't find elsewhere, plus there is the Wiki. Often, bfarber will answer questions, and that is superior to opening a ticket, of course.

you can find alot of the same mods or the equivalent on invisionize. ;)e

edit:
but invisionize sucks lol

[Lemon Head]

You would be paying $50 a year, not $120 (which includes support, updates and IPS Beyond of course). :) Yes, it is cheaper for current license holders.

Thanks Brandon!

[kafloo]

I think the standard license is more practical for us current yearly license holders who have no plans of upgrading to perpetual license and who will be covered under the standard license conversion.

Before, if your license expires and you need an updated software you have to pay $69.95 whereas under the standard license you only need to pay $25 (6 months). Now if the next update doesn't come out after the six months or even a year then you just spent $25 a year.

[avdavidw]

As someone who's anxiously awaiting V2.2 to be released, I have found IPB to be quite affordable and I think they've been doing a good job with it. If anything, I would have expected a significant rise in prices by now.

David

[Colonel Wolfe]

I don't undrstand what the whol problem regaring this is about. The fee structure that everyone is paying for is not for the support. It's for the cost of the software/IPB Forum software, not for the support. Everyone is assuming here that the fee structure is for support and that is far from the case. If you want the latest version of the software, you have to pay the $25 fee every six months or whatever. Don't confuse everyone else with the assumption that the fee is for support.

IPS Staff will probably agree that the support issue is just a function that is attached to your license for that software as well as upgrades for that six months.

[Tommeh.]

:wacko:

[Tommeh.]

I don't undrstand what the whol problem regaring this is about. The fee structure that everyone is paying for is not for the support. It's for the cost of the software/IPB Forum software, not for the support. Everyone is assuming here that the fee structure is for support and that is far from the case. If you want the latest version of the software, you have to pay the $25 fee every six months or whatever. Don't confuse everyone else with the assumption that the fee is for support.

IPS Staff will probably agree that the support issue is just a function that is attached to your license for that software as well as upgrades for that six months.

Whatever fee you pay will eventually contribute more to the support of the software, because building software scales, supporting it doesn't:

Building software:
Brandon/Matt/Josh etc go into a room with some macs. Music is played. A couple of years later, there's a loud explosion and smoke pours out from under the door, a version of some software has been released. You've now got one copy of the software in a zip file. To give it to 200 people, you give them copies of the zip file. Once you've made some software, it doesn't cost extra to make lots of copies of it. So you develop the software once.

Quality assurance:
For this example QA people are out at lunch getting food poisoning.

Supporting software:
There's a bug in the released software and 200 irate customers bombard the support team with questions. One other customer just wants support to be his friend, aww. The bug has to be fixed, as if the unlikely event that Brandon Collins becomes unhappy with IPS happens, a black hole will form and suck everything into oblivion. The support team does not scale, i.e. the more questions you get, the more people you need as they have to be handled individually by a real human, whereas a computer can copy the software zip file for free.

Because for support, people require personal attention, you end up requiring more support staff than development staff, and depending how much everyone is paid etc, they overall probably cost more.

The price you are paying also is (un)simply the near the maximum your target market will pay, you're not really buying $25 of support, you're giving IPS $25 to employ people, run servers, rent office space, pay the company lawyer etc, people who want to pay more for something marked 'business' are free to contribute more for some extra service.

[Phil Crane]

ok so let me think a minute,

i bought a new license about 2 weeks ago, only a yearly license, i used paypal and payed $69.95, ips created it a subscription in my paypal which will automaticaly charge my paypal account 69.95 once a year on the date i made the purchase, so does this mean that i will only be charged 69.95 forever now even though the price structure will of changed by next time my payment is required, considering my license is a year of upgrades and support will this still be the same when i am re billed.

imho this i should not have to pay more and i should still get 1 year of upgrades and support everytime my paypal is billed because that is the contract i agreed too and the contract should not be able to be changed as long as the subscription is active i should only have to pay 69.95 and no more or less.

Please if i am wrong can somebody correct me,

thanks

[Mat Barrie]

Hi Phil, what will happen is that your $69.95 subscription will be cancelled by IPS, as your license will be converted into a standard in one year when it expires, at which point you will be invoiced for $25 for six months support.

Regretfully, I must inform you that you will be paying less for your license.

[Brandon C]

Whatever fee you pay will eventually contribute more to the support of the software, because building software scales, supporting it doesn't:

Building software:

Brandon/Matt/Josh etc go into a room with some macs. Music is played. A couple of years later, there's a loud explosion and smoke pours out from under the door, a version of some software has been released. You've now got one copy of the software in a zip file. To give it to 200 people, you give them copies of the zip file. Once you've made some software, it doesn't cost extra to make lots of copies of it. So you develop the software once.

Quality assurance:

For this example QA people are out at lunch getting food poisoning.

Supporting software:

There's a bug in the released software and 200 irate customers bombard the support team with questions. One other customer just wants support to be his friend, aww. The bug has to be fixed, as if the unlikely event that Brandon Collins becomes unhappy with IPS happens, a black hole will form and suck everything into oblivion. The support team does not scale, i.e. the more questions you get, the more people you need as they have to be handled individually by a real human, whereas a computer can copy the software zip file for free.

:lol: !

[Phil Crane]

Hi Phil, what will happen is that your $69.95 subscription will be cancelled by IPS, as your license will be converted into a standard in one year when it expires, at which point you will be invoiced for $25 for six months support.

Regretfully, I must inform you that you will be paying less for your license.

you have still confused me lol.

say for instance i dont want support and i just want updates is there a price i can pay for that? i will never be using support really as i can fix everything myself all errors are only caused by the user installing mods etc etc

[Mat Barrie]

you have still confused me lol.

say for instance i dont want support and i just want updates is there a price i can pay for that? i will never be using support really as i can fix everything myself all errors are only caused by the user installing mods etc etc

Unfortunately no. If you want an updates-only type license, you want a Perpetual. It's the one that's currently $185 (they can upgrade you to it, and apply the $70 you've already paid) and offers free upgrades for life, but you'd need to pay $30 (annually) if you need support.

The license you currently have (yearly) does not offer any ability to get upgrades without support. In one year, you would be charged again if you want support or downloads. With the new pricing scheme though, you'll be charged $25 for 6 months of support and downloads, total of $50 per year - which is $19.95 cheaper than your current annual license.

[Phil Crane]

Unfortunately no. If you want an updates-only type license, you want a Perpetual. It's the one that's currently $185 (they can upgrade you to it, and apply the $70 you've already paid) and offers

free

upgrades for life, but you'd need to pay $30 (annually) if you need support.

The license you currently have (yearly) does not offer any ability to get upgrades without support. In one year, you would be charged again if you want support or downloads. With the new pricing scheme though, you'll be charged $25 for 6 months of support and downloads, total of $50 per year - which is $19.95 cheaper than your current annual license.

so when it comes to the payment date i will be charged just $25 every 6 months?

[Mat Barrie]

Yes.

[Phil Crane]

sounds good then, i think ips need to explain things alot more clearly as the new pricing scheme is very confusing i think.

thanks for your help mate much apreciated

[nightfox_pc_asst]

Yet for those who have IPS Hosting their forums it is only $19.99 per month..And my licence number has the word LIFE on it...

Hmm hope this is not affected by the new pricing. :shifty:

Only with IPS Hosting do you get a FREE Invision Power Board license for the duration of your hosting!**

[Tanax]

When you get a license for IPB, you can use it for the rest of your life.

When you get a license for vB, you can use it for one

year and than you have to stop using it or buy a new licence... so you can't really compare.

Maybe someone already commented this, I didn't read the whole thread, actually only read 1st page.

But your post is TOTALLY incorrect.
If you get the vb licence($160) you will be able to keep it forever.
Only thing you need to pay is for support and updates($30/yr).

[ZuCruTrooper2]

Maybe someone already commented this, I didn't read the whole thread, actually only read 1st page.

But your post is TOTALLY incorrect.

If you get the vb licence($160) you will be able to keep it forever.

Only thing you need to pay is for support and updates($30/yr).

Last time I checked, the yearly time-bombed on you if you didn't renew...

[Guest]

european customers of vbulletin also have to pay taxes, so for us the initial cost is more for vbulletin. :)

[riven3d]

vbulleting license is a pay or nothing when your year runs out, either you renew it or you CANT use it

[WoLeRiNe`]

european customers of vbulletin also have to pay taxes, so for us the initial cost is more for vbulletin. :)

I haven't paid taxes for vB before 8month...
I haved paid just 160$...

[cojo]

I don't undrstand what the whol problem regaring this is about. The fee structure that everyone is paying for is not for the support. It's for the cost of the software/IPB Forum software, not for the support. Everyone is assuming here that the fee structure is for support and that is far from the case. If you want the latest version of the software, you have to pay the $25 fee every six months or whatever. Don't confuse everyone else with the assumption that the fee is for support.

IPS Staff will probably agree that the support issue is just a function that is attached to your license for that software as well as upgrades for that six months.

The fee indeed covers support cost too. If it was only for the software as you claim, IPB would not specifically offer support and hire extra people for it.

Providing customer service is not cheap. Think about how many clients you personally could help before 30%+ started crying your service was poor. That's the problem IPS faces. They have to regularly figure out how many employees they need to keep most customers happy. All those employees have to be paid. Perpetual licenses don't generate a recurring revenue stream. So, they're eliminating that one.

[Mat Barrie]

Last time I checked, the yearly time-bombed on you if you didn't renew...

The leased license, yeah. But that's the price of the Owned one.

[Guest]

I haven't paid taxes for vB before 8month...

I haved paid just 160$...

it's a recent change, see here

[WoLeRiNe`]

Thanks for info.
I have buyed vB and after 2-3month i have seen IPB, i have searched IPB for the infos and I have buyed IPB also.
I have installed and converted from vB. And I have removed vB on my forum.
IPB is more security, better, rich etc...
And now i sale my vB license 95$. For me vB is dead :)