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TestingSomething Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I'm sure this has been suggested many times, but all content made by an admin needs to be uneditable (along with of course undeletable if set to not allow it ).
TrixieTang Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I'm against this, a mod always gets made for this, and I see no reason it should be default... in fact this would be a problem for some admins, mainly in the case of threads that list resources, if the admin posts it and wants their mods able to edit it, well, they can't! :lol: I say leave it as a mod.
AndyF Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I remember suggesting something (possibly more complicated) along this line before , hierarical (sp?) edit permissions. Root Admins Admins Global Mods Forum Mods Each group could not edit anything by any groups higher than them. I think it would still be ok with sites that have several different groups as say Mods or Global mods (as "Global Mod" would be treated the same, regardless of how many groups there were etc), it would not differentiate between that or it would get really really complicated +1 anyway :)
TestingSomething Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 I'm against this, a mod always gets made for this, and I see no reason it should be default... in fact this would be a problem for some admins, mainly in the case of threads that list resources, if the admin posts it and wants their mods able to edit it, well, they can't! :lol: I say leave it as a mod. Mods aren't supported. There are two types of features, ones that make using the forum easier and ones that are necessary to prevent bad situations. For the latter I would rather have IPS be on the line when some exploit is found rather than trusting a mod author on it.
TrixieTang Posted September 27, 2008 Posted September 27, 2008 Mods aren't supported. There are two types of features, ones that make using the forum easier and ones that are necessary to prevent bad situations. For the latter I would rather have IPS be on the line when some exploit is found rather than trusting a mod author on it. It's not by any means necessary, I think what Jura said sums it up nicely.I trust moderators and staff I hire. If you trust your staff, and make them aware of how important a secure password is... in fact even if you DIDN'T trust them I don't see why you'd worry about them messing up your posts of all things, they practically have the ability to tear your forum to the ground and you're worried about content you posted being messed up? :lol:
Amy T Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 I trust moderators and staff I hire. Ditto if you do not trust your mods then why have them as mods.
Morrigan Posted September 28, 2008 Posted September 28, 2008 This would tear apart my forum to have, I have things I post and ask my mods to go and edit the content. I also have certain forum moderators that add links to certain posts and content and if this were implemented then they wouldn't be able to do this any longer and put more stress on my part as an Admin to do it.
Josh Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I kind of doubt that we will add a feature like this, seems like it would have very limited usefulness to me.
bfarber Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 If you give someone permission to edit posts, they have permission to edit posts. I fail to see why any particular posts should be "protected" myself. If you don't trust your moderators, don't give them any permissions you don't want them to use.
TestingSomething Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 ok well good luck to the ones who get their boards destroyed. Extremely naive to think you can "ever" 100% trust someone you make a moderator. That's just a very naive way to handle it and consdiering a mod for this has been made for every IPB version obviously others want to be safe too. While you're at it, you guys can give your moderators your credit card numbers and your ATM pin numbers. I've seen this in action on another site. A moderator got mad at another and did a lot of things. Everything can be undone EXCEPT post editing. You wouldn't have another copy of it most likely. I hope someone has this happen to them and comes here whining. I realize the majority of people do live in dream worlds, but trusting any stranger is a risk and to deny protection for sites who want it is not a good stance to take on this type of issue. I'm serious when I say I hope a lot of people have something happen and come to support and waste their time about it since this would be a simple thing to add. :P
TCWT Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I'd use this kind of mod, some moderators are just starting out and you may not trust them as much yet. I've also seen moderators on another forum do damage in the way that Basher33 explained.
Lindsey_ Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 ok well good luck to the ones who get their boards destroyed. Extremely naive to think you can "ever" 100% trust someone you make a moderator. That's just a very naive way to handle it and consdiering a mod for this has been made for every IPB version obviously others want to be safe too. While you're at it, you guys can give your moderators your credit card numbers and your ATM pin numbers. I've seen this in action on another site. A moderator got mad at another and did a lot of things. Everything can be undone EXCEPT post editing. You wouldn't have another copy of it most likely. I hope someone has this happen to them and comes here whining. Calm down, With the hooks system in IPB 3 I'm pretty some form plugin can be made for what you need :)
AndyF Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I've seen this in action on another site. A moderator got mad at another and did a lot of things. Everything can be undone EXCEPT post editing. You wouldn't have another copy of it most likely. As a thought to your last post, maybe some kind of edit history :unsure: , although I can see that taking up a lot of space in some cases...EDIT... Edited to add the quote as two people replied while I was typing :)
TestingSomething Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I've even seen a moderator/admin go nuts on big name company forums before. Guess it's the company's fault because they should ahve eben able to read their employees' minds and know they couldn't be trusted. Sigh.
bfarber Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I've even seen a moderator/admin go nuts on big name company forums before. Guess it's the company's fault because they should ahve eben able to read their employees' minds and know they couldn't be trusted. Sigh. If an employee goes nuts and damages company property, he can quite easily be sued, and will be sued, if actual damage takes place. So the moderator can't edit your posts. What about everyone else's? You are GIVING them access to edit posts....that's what IPB is thusly allowing them to do. Each person has their own needs and wants in a software package, but this is something that we do not believe is really necessary.
TestingSomething Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 If an employee goes nuts and damages company property, he can quite easily be sued, and will be sued, if actual damage takes place. So the moderator can't edit your posts. What about everyone else's? You are GIVING them access to edit posts....that's what IPB is thusly allowing them to do. Each person has their own needs and wants in a software package, but this is something that we do not believe is really necessary. Bottom line is I am caring about myself because I am the site owner and I don't want moderators to have ability to do anything at all on mine. If they mess with someone else's and somehow it gets proven I would simply get rid of them and apoologize to whoever they did it to and would set the record straight. But when I am the one paying all of this money I ahve spent and I am pretty OCD about accuracy as far as my own posts, I deserve to be 100% confident a moderator can't make a bad judgment call (not encessarily purposely alter it to be mean). The other members aren't paying to post, so I feel like if I am the owner, why should it even be possible at all to edit my posts? That's kind of like if you make decisions on waht to do to something of Lindy's. I doubt or Lindy hands you credit cards and such and says he trusts your judgment on whether to go buy you some things lol. :P I am really into accuracy. I don't like being misquoted or having my words altered. I even keep up with stats I do in basketball becuase I just like having a record of everything. I would seriously be mad if I ever had a moderator edit my posts. Of course if I ever even HAVE moderators again at least I should be happy I somehow resurrected my site ideas. lol
Morrigan Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 That's when you close the post and make sure that moderators cannot reply to closed posts.
TestingSomething Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 I'm not tlaking about only topics, but posts in other people's topics. I didn't get interested in forums for a business standpoint, but for myself to post a lot on also. Also, a moderator could just open it back up or edit it if a topic is closed anyway.
Morrigan Posted September 29, 2008 Posted September 29, 2008 That, again, is only if you give those privileges to them.
TestingSomething Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Seriously doubt someone is going to use moderators and then not give them any permissions. That would make no sense. Also it makes no sense to assume you can trust any moderator with your own content.
Morrigan Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Seriously doubt someone is going to use moderators and then not give them any permissions. That would make no sense. Also it makes no sense to assume you can trust any moderator with your own content.If you can't then you are the fool.
TestingSomething Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 If you can't then you are the fool. Yeah I am the "fool" if a moderator messes up. Mind your own business and stop trying to tell others how to run their sites and concentrate on your own. It's one thing to not like an idea, but it's quite another to be as rude as you're being and this is the fifth time I have seen you be rude on here. I can't think of anyone who's more rude, frankly, and that means something coming from me considering how many people are rude to me. :) edit: whoa overkill on the word rude. Should have used some synonyms.
Guest Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 If you don't trust your moderators with permission to edit/not edit your own posts, how in the nine hells can you trust them to manage your entire board? Point is, if you don't trust them, don't make them moderators. It's really that simple.
TestingSomething Posted October 1, 2008 Posted October 1, 2008 Do I really have to keep explaining? Once again, if you trust your moderators I recommend giving them your credit cards. You guys are obviously either willing to take a risk or else you're actually naive enough to think you can "know" you can trust moderators. Either way I will give whatever permissions I want to whoever. I didn't ask for advice on how to run thigns or who to trust with permissions a, b, and c. I simply requested a feature and will make it myself since it won't be officially added. I think just maaaaaaaaybe I am not the only one who wants it, considering it has been released as a mod for each IPB version. I guess these other owners aren't as good of psychics to read minds and know they can trust strangers online. :)
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