Reliable Banning !

[Grek]

misery just does things to annoy the user, like slow down the response time of the server etc. i personally think its pointless, and i wouldn't sign up to a forum that uses it. also anyone who causes trouble will just log out and create a new registration, it wouldn't hinder them in the slightest.

Yes, but wreckers to the same users stir even more. Moderators should spend a lot of time what to catch the infringers, registered to themselves new accounts around of their blocking IP through anonymous proxies-servers.

[jmmartin]

That will tell about creation and support of black-lists of anonymous proxies-servers which infringers often use. IPS could hold such database, and clients to use it, as it is done concerning for example bad mail-relays

Hmmmm, interesting, it could be a good idea :thumbsup:

[ASFx]

Another good idea would be to put a tag in a member's forum cookie when you ban them so that it won't matter if they try to change IPs. Of course they can delete their cookie, but a lot less people would think of that. I would really like to see a "cookie ban" feature in a future version of IPB.

[Grek]

Another good idea would be to put a tag in a member's forum cookie when you ban them so that it won't matter if they try to change IPs. Of course they can delete their cookie, but a lot less people would think of that. I would really like to see a "cookie ban" feature in a future version of IPB.

But it can help only in case of with those visitors who understand nothing in it.

[Cyberkiller6]

good feature in vbulletin, not sure if its in invision.

You can set it so the troublesome user can still use the board like nothing happened, but no one can see his posts except for mods/admins. This usually helps because it takes a while for the person to realize what happened (thinks people are just ignoring him?) and is usually bored/tired by then and quits.

[Reado]

That will tell about creation and support of black-lists of anonymous proxies-servers which infringers often use. IPS could hold such database, and clients to use it, as it is done concerning for example bad mail-relays

This is a neat idea. There's some software for Counter-Strike to prevent cheaters from connecting to servers called HLGuard. It uses a central database to update itself with known cheaters. Once it's downloaded the latest list every X mins/hours, the server banlist is autoupdated. Having multiple IP Boards connected into this database would be great. It would be even better if admins could submit persistant offending users to the database and multiple duplicated abusers were auto-added to the database, which would then be dished out to everyone elses IPB.

[lou_habs]

This is a neat idea. There's some software for Counter-Strike to prevent cheaters from connecting to servers called HLGuard. It uses a central database to update itself with known cheaters. Once it's downloaded the latest list every X mins/hours, the server banlist is autoupdated. Having multiple IP Boards connected into this database would be great. It would be even better if admins could submit persistant offending users to the database and multiple duplicated abusers were auto-added to the database, which would then be dished out to everyone elses IPB.

Not a bad idea. Would be really smart:)

[Reado]

Well it'd be handy in a sense where when it autoupdates, it would only need to update the SQL table for banned IPs/Emails. You wouldn't need to worry about mods being overwritten or anything like that because it would simply be an SQL query being executed by a task.

[NightAssassin]

good feature in vbulletin, not sure if its in invision.

You can set it so the troublesome user can still use the board like nothing happened, but no one can see his posts except for mods/admins. This usually helps because it takes a while for the person to realize what happened (thinks people are just ignoring him?) and is usually bored/tired by then and quits.

That is a good idea. Also, someone made a mod where when you ban someone, it shows them a 404 to trick them that your board is "down" at Invisionize.

[Dlf]

Would probably be nice, but say you are completly incocent and someone with the same, or similar IP (range) does do things to "denote" a ban, and your ideas "takes place", what would happen to you? Your 100% inncocent when someone else did the "bad things" to get your IP (range) banned from all of IPB?

[whitetigergrowl]

There has never been and probably will never be a form of reliable banning. People use proxies and everything else to get around IP banning. Its not hard to do. Create a new yahoo account, use a proxy and you're in. I use both VB and IPB and neither has a 100% way of blocking people out. All you can do is try and find ways to discourage them from coming back in any way, shape, or form.

Even blocking proxies is bad. People that use AOL would then automatically not be able to join or view the site since AOL uses proxies.

Welcome to the wonderful world of the internet.

[JIC]

There is one method that worked for me in the past. It will not work for all groups, but it might be useful to some.

We required members to buy access to the Forum. We charged a dollar and then refunded it at one board (Payment and refund was through PayPal only), another we used the money for contests. What this did was required the user to specify a payment method. Often that limits someone to one or two attempts at the Forum before they are banned for life since you can often more easily block purchase based on Account Name or Address easily in many of the Store Systems. (Oh, if someone bought it that was banned already, we did not refund their dollar and still banned the new account. No promise was made to refund the money.) Like I said, it is not for every Forum, but it can work for some.

[theclub]

I know firsthand there really isn't a way for reliable banning. If Gamefaqs can't get rid of people, nowhere is going to be able to do much better, I would think. It is a huge site.

You should know, hasn't GameFAQs banned you more than 100 times?

[Grek]

Would probably be nice, but say you are [u][i][b]completly[/b][/i][/u] incocent and someone with the same, or similar IP (range) does do things to "denote" a ban, and your ideas "takes place", what would happen to you? Your 100% inncocent when someone else did the "bad things" to get your IP (range) banned from all of IPB?

I suggest to use ban-list addresses only ANONYMOUS proxies-servers, i.e. to limit opportunities of malefactors on use of these services. If this list was autoupdated and updated by means of the official report of admins IPB it would be already that that on a way of struggle against objectionable infringers.

Interesting idea as with invisible messages too.

In general it would be good to write such fashions which would include the whole set of measures for maintenance of the order at a forum.
If IPB will not go on support of "anonimous-proxy ban-lists", it is possible to arrange it by own strength basically. It would be advisable to write a script checking IP and droping anonymous proxies-servers.

[bwyatt]

There is one method that worked for me in the past. It will not work for all groups, but it might be useful to some.

We required members to buy access to the Forum. We charged a dollar and then refunded it at one board (Payment and refund was through PayPal only), another we used the money for contests. What this did was required the user to specify a payment method. Often that limits someone to one or two attempts at the Forum before they are banned for life since you can often more easily block purchase based on Account Name or Address easily in many of the Store Systems. (Oh, if someone bought it that was banned already, we did not refund their dollar and still banned the new account. No promise was made to refund the money.) Like I said, it is not for every Forum, but it can work for some.

That's a great idea, but like you said; large boards would have serious problems. It would severely discourage and decline the number of new members... :(

[marcele]

There IS actually a reliable way for banning people from your forums. The only problem is that its a little expensive. You can purchase GeoIP information from sources like maxmind. Its fairly easy to integrate it with IPB and the neat thing is that the maxmind GeoIP information also organizes anon proxy ips so that you can BAN members from using anon proxies to access your forums.