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ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 I had been using PHP 5.3 for some time and since 4.1.19 had a suggestion about upgrading to a higher PHP version, I started upgrading things to be able to upgrade to highest version available. First I upgraded to EasyApache4, then to PHP 7.1 . At first I thought everthing was working fine till I realised that Opcache was not I realised that PHP 7.1 did not have a DSO handler option and Opcache was not supported on suexec and cgi. Googling a bit I found that PHP-FPM was mostly used and recommended and found a way to switch to it. Although I have seen some articles telling it was possible to make Opcache work with PHP-FPM I could not manage it. Now I am running multiple PHP and using PHP 5.6.30 with Opcache on my production site, PHP 7.1 with PHP-FPM on my test site. What I am wondering ; Can I use a caching method on PHP 7.1 with PHP-FPM ? Which is better ? PHP 5.6.30 + Opcache ? PHP 7.1 + PHP-FPM ?
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 1 hour ago, ABGenc said: I had been using PHP 5.3 for some time and since 4.1.19 had a suggestion about upgrading to a higher PHP version, I started upgrading things to be able to upgrade to highest version available. First I upgraded to EasyApache4, then to PHP 7.1 . At first I thought everthing was working fine till I realised that Opcache was not I realised that PHP 7.1 did not have a DSO handler option and Opcache was not supported on suexec and cgi. Googling a bit I found that PHP-FPM was mostly used and recommended and found a way to switch to it. Although I have seen some articles telling it was possible to make Opcache work with PHP-FPM I could not manage it. Now I am running multiple PHP and using PHP 5.6.30 with Opcache on my production site, PHP 7.1 with PHP-FPM on my test site. What I am wondering ; Can I use a caching method on PHP 7.1 with PHP-FPM ? Which is better ? PHP 5.6.30 + Opcache ? PHP 7.1 + PHP-FPM ? You can use the DSO handler with 7.1. But the DSO handler requires a MPM that's preforked and the DSO module can only work with one version of PHP at a time. So you will have to choose which version you want to install. For example, if you want to install it for PHP7, you will need to navigate to the PHP Extension page in EA4, and search for the following: ea-php70-php (DSO is not in the title) Once installed, it will become available in the PHP Handler page: WHM: Home »Software »MultiPHP Manager -> PHP Handler Personally I want to use the MPM_event handler and hence I can't use DSO and hereby OpCache at the moment. Once I've got a bit more time I will find the solution and I can post it here :).
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 Thanks for the information @inkredible. I am holding to switch to 7.1 cause I found a problem with profile links causing HTTP 500 error on my server. Working with Support to solve or find the root cause. Once it is solved I can try this and probably move all of the sites to 7.1 + DSO + Opcache. What do you think ? 7.1 + DSO + Opcache or 7.1 + PHP-FPM ?
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, ABGenc said: Thanks for the information @inkredible. I am holding to switch to 7.1 cause I found a problem with profiles creating HTTP 500 error on my server. Working with Support to solve or find the root cause. Once it is solved I can try this and probably move all of the sites to 7.1 + DSO + Opcache. What do you think ? 7.1 + DSO + Opcache or 7.1 + PHP-FPM ? I am using 7.1 for a couple months without issues on IPB already. I recommend you to do a system check (in ACP) once switched to 7.1, most likely you forgot to add the PHP extensions like mbstring or so. The system check will certainly tell you what's missing. I can't judge what is better, but once I've got some more time I will dig into it :-).
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 14 minutes ago, inkredible said: I am using 7.1 for a couple months without issues on IPB already. I recommend you to do a system check (in ACP) once switched to 7.1, most likely you forgot to add the PHP extensions like mbstring or so. The system check will certainly tell you what's missing. I can't judge what is better, but once I've got some more time I will dig into it :-). System Check all green except for the following information ; You do not have the cURL PHP extension loaded or it is running a version less than 7.36. Enabling the cURL module provides a more efficient and reliable library for making connections from your website to other websites.
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, ABGenc said: System Check all green except for the following information ; You do not have the cURL PHP extension loaded or it is running a version less than 7.36. Enabling the cURL module provides a more efficient and reliable library for making connections from your website to other websites. Ok then that's not the issue. You could check the php error log yourself if you don't want to wait for the support. The log will most likely tell you what's misisng. As of the curl extension : Cpanel is about to ship an updated curl version. You can already install the prerelease package (for me it worked without issues): https://features.cpanel.net/topic/update-curl-for-easyapache-4-and-cloudlinux-6-8
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, inkredible said: Ok then that's not the issue. You could check the php error log yourself if you don't want to wait for the support. The log will most likely tell you what's misisng. As of the curl extension : Cpanel is about to ship an updated curl version. You can already install the prerelease package (for me it worked without issues): https://features.cpanel.net/topic/update-curl-for-easyapache-4-and-cloudlinux-6-8 Good to know there are others using WHM/cPanel Thanks for the info
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Just now, ABGenc said: Good to know there are others using WHM/cPanel Thanks for the info Yeah maybe we can actually find a group of WHM/Cpanel + IPS users. I think most of us have the same requirements (aka just a few, big and selfowned sites hosted with CPanel) which might be helpful sometimes (for example when it comes to optimizations for the servers).
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 8 minutes ago, inkredible said: Yeah maybe we can actually find a group of WHM/Cpanel + IPS users. I think most of us have the same requirements (aka just a few, big and selfowned sites hosted with CPanel) which might be helpful sometimes (for example when it comes to optimizations for the servers). Or even create one I am not an expert but trying to improve myself. I will be glad to help anyone who needs if I can save his/her time. That was the main reason I put WHM/cPanel on my topics related to this subject, to create an awareness
jcdesign Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 What is the optimal EA4 PHP 7.1 configuration? I was change my Easy Apache 4 from 7.0.16 to php 7.1.2 now and enable almost everything in php extension. My board works very good, but my other site was not working with 7.1 so I switch php version in cpanel to 7.0 for this domain. Now everything working as It should.
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, inkredible said: Ok then that's not the issue. You could check the php error log yourself if you don't want to wait for the support. The log will most likely tell you what's misisng. As of the curl extension : Cpanel is about to ship an updated curl version. You can already install the prerelease package (for me it worked without issues): https://features.cpanel.net/topic/update-curl-for-easyapache-4-and-cloudlinux-6-8 Seems membermap's previous version was causing the problem with following error [21-Mar-2017 11:06:09 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Cannot use lexical variable $k as a parameter name in /home/mzdclbtr/public_html/applications/membermap/sources/Map/Map.php on line 386 [21-Mar-2017 11:06:09 UTC] PHP Fatal error: Cannot use lexical variable $k as a parameter name in /home/mzdclbtr/public_html/applications/membermap/sources/Map/Map.php on line 386 Test site fixed but now having difficulty upgrading membermap to latets version with following error 1C133/9 The application you uploaded cannot be installed because it is not a valid application, the archive is corrupt or the file and directory permissions in /applications do not allow it.
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 3 hours ago, ABGenc said: Thanks for the information @inkredible. I am holding to switch to 7.1 cause I found a problem with profile links causing HTTP 500 error on my server. Working with Support to solve or find the root cause. Once it is solved I can try this and probably move all of the sites to 7.1 + DSO + Opcache. What do you think ? 7.1 + DSO + Opcache or 7.1 + PHP-FPM ? I have contacted our server administrator (he's freelancing for us, but he's a fulltime server administrator). He said that our setup to use MPM event, PHP-FPM and Opcache is decent and works. You have to enable PHP-FPM domain by domain in your MultiPHP Manager. With phpinfo() you can check whether everything is running as intended. 41 minutes ago, jcdesign said: What is the optimal EA4 PHP 7.1 configuration? I was change my Easy Apache 4 from 7.0.16 to php 7.1.2 now and enable almost everything in php extension. My board works very good, but my other site was not working with 7.1 so I switch php version in cpanel to 7.0 for this domain. Now everything working as It should. I doubt that enabling every extension is the optimal configuration. I have only enabled the necessary/needed extensions. I have noticed the biggest performance improvement after installing/switching to OpCache + PHP-FPM + MPM_Event.
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, inkredible said: I have contacted our server administrator (he's freelancing for us, but he's a fulltime server administrator). He said that our setup to use MPM event, PHP-FPM and Opcache is decent and works. You have to enable PHP-FPM domain by domain in your MultiPHP Manager. With phpinfo() you can check whether everything is running as intended. What is the extension name for MPM Event ? Note : On my last try I have learned that multiphp manager and how to enable PHP-FPM
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, ABGenc said: What is the extension name for MPM Event ? Note : On my last try I have learned that multiphp manager and how to enable PHP-FPM It's not a PHP extension, it's Apache's Multi Process Manager (MPM). You can chose it when customizing your Apache build with EA4 (first step). Edit: How many concurrent users (Live users at analytics) do you have to serve?
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 1 minute ago, inkredible said: It's not a PHP extension, it's Apache's Multi Process Manager (MPM). You can chose it when customizing your Apache build with EA4 (first step). Edit: How many concurrent users (Live users at analytics) do you have to serve? It gets to a peak of 50 users sometimes. @inkredible I think this what you mention mod_mpm_event 2.4.25-5.5.1.cpanel Threaded event Multi-Processing Module for Apache HTTP Server mod_mpm_event is disabled but mod_mpm_prefork is installed
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, jcdesign said: What is the optimal EA4 PHP 7.1 configuration? I was change my Easy Apache 4 from 7.0.16 to php 7.1.2 now and enable almost everything in php extension. My board works very good, but my other site was not working with 7.1 so I switch php version in cpanel to 7.0 for this domain. Now everything working as It should. For the beginning the optimal configuration would be anything meeting the following requirements Quote PHP Requirements PHP version 7.1.2. fsockopen function available Multibyte String extension loaded DOM extension loaded GD extension loaded MySQLi extension loaded OpenSSL extension loaded Session extension loaded SimpleXML extension loaded XML extension loaded XMLReader extension loaded XMLWriter extension loaded Phar extension loaded Zip extension loaded Exif extension loaded 256 MB memory limit. File System Requirements /public_html/applications is writable /public_html/datastore is writable /public_html/plugins is writable /public_html/uploads is writable /public_html/uploads/logs is writable MySQL Requirements MySQL version 5.5.5-10.1.22-MariaDB. Recommendations You do not have the cURL PHP extension loaded or it is running a version less than 7.36. Enabling the cURL module provides a more efficient and reliable library for making connections from your website to other websites. Here is my review list on EasyApache4 , current profile. ( I have removed all php 5.6 extensions ) . I hope @inkredible can advice what is to be added or removed from this list for his optimal config ( MPM event, PHP-FPM and Opcache ) apache24 apr apr-util config config-runtime cpanel-tools documentroot mod_asis mod_authn_anon mod_authn_socache mod_bwlimited mod_cgi mod_deflate mod_env mod_expires mod_headers mod_mpm_prefork mod_proxy mod_proxy_fcgi mod_proxy_http mod_ssl mod_suexec mod_suphp mod_version php-cli php-cli-lsphp php71 php71-libc-client php71-pear php71-php-bcmath php71-php-calendar php71-php-cli php71-php-common php71-php-curl php71-php-devel php71-php-exif php71-php-fileinfo php71-php-fpm php71-php-ftp php71-php-gd php71-php-gettext php71-php-iconv php71-php-imap php71-php-litespeed php71-php-mbstring php71-php-mysqlnd php71-php-opcache php71-php-pdo php71-php-pgsql php71-php-posix php71-php-sockets php71-php-xml php71-php-zip php71-runtime profiles-cpanel tools
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 2 hours ago, ABGenc said: It gets to a peak of 50 users sometimes. @inkredible I think this what you mention mod_mpm_event 2.4.25-5.5.1.cpanel Threaded event Multi-Processing Module for Apache HTTP Server mod_mpm_event is disabled but mod_mpm_prefork is installed Yes that's what I mean. I can just tell you what I have experienced and what our server administrator recommends for our use case. Depending on what you are hosting/doing you may have different requirements / other optimal setups. Also I am not THE expert, I just have been responsible for two quite big forums. Our largest peak has been 2.8k concurrent users according to analytics (more than 160k unique visitors on one day). I can't tell you what modules you can uninstall, nor could I just send you my list probably as we require some extra modules which are not needed by IPS (for instance we need PDO while IPS uses mysqli afaik). As far as I know @Charles is responsible for the server infrastructure here at IPS and he's the one who could tell you what PHP extensions are needed. Edit: @ABGenc do you experience any issues at the moment or are you just trying to optimize things? With that setup your forum should run quite fast. The biggest optimizations which has been necessary when we experienced our large peaks have been the apache configuration and mysql configuration. The default CPanel/WHM configuration started struggling when we first hit 200-300 live users I think.
ABGenc Posted March 21, 2017 Author Posted March 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, inkredible said: Edit: @ABGenc do you experience any issues at the moment or are you just trying to optimize things? With that setup your forum should run quite fast. The biggest optimizations which has been necessary when we experienced our large peaks have been the apache configuration and mysql configuration. The default CPanel/WHM configuration started struggling when we first hit 200-300 live users I think. Things are quite fine at the moment. Just trying to optimize and get things sorted and updated. Willing to settle on ; PHP 7.1, MaridDB 10.1 ( done ) , All tables InnoDB I believe a minimum PHP extensions list would be a good topic too where ppl could extend it according to their needs as you told.
jcdesign Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 Today was cpanel updating phpcurl 7.53.1 extension to EA4. Now everything is green in system check.
ASTRAPI Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 7.53.1 - February 24 2017 A month later for cpanel
jcdesign Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 They wanted make sure It was stable before releasing It.
ASTRAPI Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 One month is a lot for stability tests ... A second version may come out at such long period....
inkredible Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, ASTRAPI said: One month is a lot for stability tests ... A second version may come out at such long period.... They said they are going to keep it updated from now on ;).
ASTRAPI Posted March 21, 2017 Posted March 21, 2017 That's great It will be good to do that on other software also.... Most important when a new version is out with security fixes....
RoHAdmin Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 so I recently updated to EA4 and 7.1 using the recommended setup here in this thread and my site doesn't work at all since doing so http://www.remnantsofhope.com/boards/ nothing but computer language that is unreadable. I'm not sure what could be causing this? I am running MariaDB as well.
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