Lou Adducci Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Is there any? I've spent three days trying to figure out how to do anything in pages (templates, databases, etc) and I'm completely baffled and frustrated. As a non-programmer everything about the system is pretty much noise to me and since I cannot find a single bit of documentation (all searches to date have turned up IP.Content results) I'm pretty much at wits end.Can anyone point in me the right direction to at least try and get my head around this?
opentype Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 What are you trying to do? Creating a single page? Creating news articles? There is so much you can do, it’s hard to explain it all together.
Lou Adducci Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 Ralf, Thanks for the reply.I think that's the problem. There are so many steps to get to the desired result that I don't even know where to start. Without any documentation I'm even more confused. As far as I know I might be looking at everything backwards.Basically the 1x2 layout in IP.Content was about 99% of what we want, but I cannot see a way to replicate that same look in Pages.The middle section of the page here: http://xl4k.ipbhost.com/index.php?/page/index.html is what we want. The 1 story (newest or featured if one is enabled) and then a double column of the next 10 stories regardless of category. Everything there is dummy/placeholder.I've figured out how to get all the other elements on the page in 4.x (calendar, latest topics, etc), but cannot figure out what I need to do to recreate the look of the content.If you look at the "latest articles" content here: http://extralife.ipbhost.com/ that's the section I'm trying to figure out how to make look like the "latest news" section in the page linked above.I don't have clue one on where to start to make that happen.
opentype Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 You probably want to switch the “list view” to the “article view” in the front page settings for your article database. That will give you the typical article layout. But I’m afraid it’s a simple one-column design by default. You can’t just pick such a 2x1 template at the moment. I built my own, but it’s not that easy.
Lou Adducci Posted May 5, 2015 Author Posted May 5, 2015 You probably want to switch the “list view” to the “article view” in the front page settings for your article database. That will give you the typical article layout. But I’m afraid it’s a simple one-column design by default. You can’t just pick such a 2x1 template at the moment. I built my own, but it’s not that easy. Thanks Ralf. That's exactly the kind of thing I want to do and exactly the answer I was afraid of. Without a development background and no one on staff that really understands this stuff we're kind of stuck. Might have to ask to get the site reverted to 3.4. Do hate to lose the new features in 4.x though. You wouldn't be interested in writing up a 'walk through' I could follow by any chance?
sobrenome Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 The responsive design makes everything more dificult for developers, but more better for users.
socceronly Posted May 5, 2015 Posted May 5, 2015 Don't go back to 3.4 if you are using Pages/Content. Unless there is something really specific you need. What are you trying to do?Article List?Blocks?Once you see the relationship it all sort of makes sense in it's own way....
Sebbo78 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 I also used hours just to figure out how to do this kind of article view (http://extralife.ipbhost.com/). If someone knows how those articles works, small guide would be highly appreciated.
socceronly Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 I also used hours just to figure out how to do this kind of article view (http://extralife.ipbhost.com/). If someone knows how those articles works, small guide would be highly appreciated.Sure, I'll put a step by step together to do that.Is a place to put such things?
Lou Adducci Posted May 6, 2015 Author Posted May 6, 2015 I also used hours just to figure out how to do this kind of article view (http://extralife.ipbhost.com/). If someone knows how those articles works, small guide would be highly appreciated. Same here. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get the category view to use the Article view instead of the index view. Just to give a consistent look and feel to the site. Going from the main page article view to the index view when switching to a category is jarring. At least with article view it's closer to where we want to be (really want the 1x2x2 style found by default in 3.4) and looks a bit like a 'blog' style view of content so it's a bit more robust. Also managed to figure out where the article image is located in the record view and remove it from the full article. Looks much better now when viewing the content. Again, I think if Invision had supplied meaningful documentation and a handful of decent tutorials for how to use Pages we'd all be better off. Had I known I was looking for, "$record->record_image" in the record template to remove the thumbnail from the main text of an article I wouldn't have spent an hour looking for it.
socceronly Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 I have no idea why the category view looks like that. I find it incomprehensible. I also think the database view and the article view should be separate pages with different blocks. I want 2 or 3 columns on the article list view, and 1 or 2 on the article view. The article list view is a content discovery type page, the article view itself is a page you consume that content. They should be different
SJ77 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Is there any? I've spent three days trying to figure out how to do anything in pages (templates, databases, etc) and I'm completely baffled and frustrated. As a non-programmer everything about the system is pretty much noise to me and since I cannot find a single bit of documentation (all searches to date have turned up IP.Content results) I'm pretty much at wits end.Can anyone point in me the right direction to at least try and get my head around this?Exactly how I feel. Glad to see I am not the only one who finds this totally confusing. Even the names for things seem ambiguous. I don't know what any of it is and so far it's not intuitive. It's complicated and requires some kind of guide. I know I am supposed to be able to make "pages" but no idea how. I have asked for help several times but no luck so far. I hope someone makes a comprehensive tutorial soon.
SJ77 Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Thanks Ralf. .. You wouldn't be interested in writing up a 'walk through' I could follow by any chance? Asked this same question. http://community.invisionpower.com/topic/410265-show-us-your-ipb-4-sites/?do=findComment&comment=2541988 @Ralf H. demand is building for this..
opentype Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 @Ralf H. demand is building for this.. Maybe you guys can start a Kickstarter to convince me.
socceronly Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Try this. 1. Click on Pages > Pages2. Select Add Page3. Use Page Builder4. Name it and pick your template.5. Click on Pages > Databases6. Click on Create New7.a Name it and select the followingUse Categories - NoDatabase Index - Show Records Like ArticlesLeave everything else alone7.b Set View Permissions for Database after you hit Save8. Go to Pages > Menu9. Click Create New10. Type = Page, Select Page, Select View Permission All Groups11. Go to your Site12. Click on the Page from the Menu13. Click on the Arrow on the left side14. Under Pages, drag out Database block15. On the block click Edit16. Select your Database17. This Database is now associated with that Page18. The Article list and the Article View will show ON THE SAME PAGE, so if it's 3 colum, your article will be jammed into that column with the Database blcok
socceronly Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 Databases need a home, PagesYou associate the two by dragging the block onto the page using the blocks. What we really need is a Block that shows a feed from a database with thumnail & teaser like the Article list view.That way your landing page can be separate from the article view, without it just looking like a forum.
ABGenc Posted May 6, 2015 Posted May 6, 2015 May be a wiki-style database can be created and we can start building the "user knowledgebase"
Lou Adducci Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 On a related note, how the heck do you give a member or a group permissions to add articles without giving them full ADMIN rights? Basically once I get my pretty little pages set up, I don't want to be the only person adding the content. I want to enable a tiny group of users to be normal users, but able to add articles. Can't find that either.
opentype Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 On a related note, how the heck do you give a member or a group permissions to add articles without giving them full ADMIN rights? Basically once I get my pretty little pages set up, I don't want to be the only person adding the content. I want to enable a tiny group of users to be normal users, but able to add articles. Can't find that either. Every database has it’s own permission settings. There you define which member group can add/comment/rate articles and so on.
Lou Adducci Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 /headeskThank you Ralf. I was tearing apart the groups and member permissions trying to figure this out. It never occurred to me to look at the actual category/database permissions.
Kirill N Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I'm sorry my response is not going to be helpful but I just want to say that once you figure everything out, you'll love this app. IPS4 Pages is amazing. You can do so much with it.
Lou Adducci Posted May 7, 2015 Author Posted May 7, 2015 I'm sorry my response is not going to be helpful but I just want to say that once you figure everything out, you'll love this app. IPS4 Pages is amazing. You can do so much with it.I'm starting to see where that is true. Coming from nearly a decade of VBulletin use and having only limited experience with IPB in any form (and none in 4.x) this 'learning curve' is more like a vertical wall.
Scoobs Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 It sure would be nice to see some documentation & examples put out by IPB soon though. It would surely help many of us out! I understood the lack of documentation during the RCs but now that we're on 4.04...the documentation needs to get beefed up!
CheersnGears Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I wish there were some default portal setups available.Developers take note, there is a market for different kinds of blocks, page layouts, databases and such.
socceronly Posted May 7, 2015 Posted May 7, 2015 I wish there were some default portal setups available.Developers take note, there is a market for different kinds of blocks, page layouts, databases and such. Agree, and I think all of that stuff will come. The possibilities with all of the modules integrated are pretty amazing.
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