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Rikki Grand Master

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I seriously hope a big company does have this happen I really do. Becuase I want to see you and he both tell them to just deal with it.



this forum, my forum, invisionize so far on the list which all do this for yahoo.



We can deal with it if it becomes a widespread issue. We can try altering the email content, or try and discover whats triggering the spam filter. But it is not a bug in IPB. That's Brandon's job, and that's why the report was closed. It isn't a bug. Like I said, please calm down, the world isn't out to get you despite what you may think. A closed bug report isn't an attack on your credibility.

ok then explain why it just started happening for me and many others when I have not switched servers or changed any setting in IPB or yahoo.



Does that not answer your own question? You haven't done anything in IPB, so what would make you think it's a bug?! Likely something has tripped the spam filter in yahoo and it's blocking emails from the board for you.
TestingSomething Rising Star

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We [i]can[/i] deal with it if it becomes a widespread issue. We can try altering the email content, or try and discover whats triggering the spam filter. But it is [b]not a bug in IPB[/b]. That's Brandon's job, and that's why the report was closed. It isn't a bug. Like I said, please calm down, the world isn't out to get you despite what you may think. A closed bug report isn't an attack on your credibility.





Does that not answer your own question? You haven't done anything in IPB, so what would make you think it's a bug?! Likely something has tripped the spam filter in yahoo and it's blocking emails from the board for you.


There are plenty bug reports of supposed "not bugs" which are not closed. In fact almost never is one closed.

Depends on definition of a bug. Yes technically it would be similar to the "browser quirk" bugs only it would be quirks in email providers. But the bottom line is if IPS wants their product to have emails blocked and things not work in particular browsers, so be it. But that sure isnt going to help their customer rate. It may not be "bugs", but it is software behavior that should be cared about.

Because IPB has changed. And also it goes back to what a bug is. No it's not exactly a "bug", but IPS has to keep up with what other people are doing. Did they just sit there and do nothing when new versions of MySQL were released, for example? No, they worked on making the software compatible.

I just think the company would want the software working as desired in as many configurations as possible and if one is mentioned to be having issues for some, you would think it would at least get looked into.
TestingSomething Rising Star

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An update to the Yahoo part of this. Even as we speak I just received an email from insionize which was sent FIVE days ago stating I have a new PM.

So hopefully it works itself out. But regardles when multiple people have something happen, you would think IPS would want to at least know what is going on and not suggest it's not happening. Pretty obvious now part of this is a problem with Yahoo.

ALTHOUGH gmail has been having issues for a long time. I haven't tried it lately.

Rοb Community Regular

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I am subscribed to the Company News & Updates forum and haven't had an email since April 9th.

I use the Google Apps (Gmail using my domain) feature.

Rοb Community Regular

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Just read the "other" topic.

I'm sure it'll get fixed if it is a bug, i really see no point in attacking staff over something they cannot replicate (at least at this time). Chill Winston! :)

TestingSomething Rising Star

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It easn't becuase they couldn't replicate it. It was becuase instead of them simply saying they can't reproduce it, Brandon then implies I am a liar by calling it a "ghost issue" and then closing the bug report to arrogantly say "hey, we aren't going to even consider it could be one".

Funny timing because I was just watching a show where someone pointed out it is "not ok" for a waiter to imply that a customer is lying. Same principle here. Not reproducing something and saying in an arrogant way that it isn't true are entirely different. Brandon gets mad about my political opinions (proven even more valid today in the enws, by the way) so he lets it interfere with the business side of my reporting.

i am java Newbie

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Erm, I never even received a validation e-mail for three of my accounts. (I didn't realize that I had to login with my e-mail address...)

But I have three accounts that need validating now :(

TestingSomething Rising Star

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noooooo you must be mistaken, everything works perfectly.

ANyway I will leave it at that. I am tired of getting into these debates and feeling I can't even say hey something is not working or else everyone acts like I am being so horrible. I want my software to function properly. That is what anybody wants. It is far from functioning the way it should be. Bulk Mail is a nightmare. It sometimes doesn't even send, sometiems sends a lot later, sometimes shows that it sent when it didn't, sometimes sends but isn't received by my yahoo or gmail accounts, you name it. Ao i should not mention that and accept it behaving that way?

Rikki Grand Master

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It easn't becuase they couldn't replicate it. It was becuase instead of them simply saying they can't reproduce it, Brandon then implies I am a liar by calling it a "ghost issue" and then closing the bug report to arrogantly say "hey, we aren't going to even consider it could be one".



Funny timing because I was just watching a show where someone pointed out it is "not ok" for a waiter to imply that a customer is lying. Same principle here. Not reproducing something and saying in an arrogant way that it isn't true are entirely different. Brandon gets mad about my political opinions (proven even more valid today in the enws, by the way) so he lets it interfere with the business side of my reporting.



Basher, I've had enough of these posts. This is a last warning. Brandon was in no way calling you a liar by saying it was a ghost issue. How do you close a bug 'arrogantly'? I've explained to you that we close bugs that aren't bugs or can't be reproduced. Two posts ago you said yourself it's clearly now a Yahoo problem, so why are you still bitter? And why do you bring politics into every single topic despite when asked not to? To suggest he closes your bug reports because he doesn't like your political opinions shows how pathetic your comments have become.

I don't know how many different ways we can explain this before you understand. We don't look down upon you for submitting bugs we have to close. We aren't saying you're lying, either. We're saying this isn't a bug in IPB, so does not belong in the bug tracker.

Welcome to the moderation queue. You've been warned already as you know, and now this is the final warning. You will not be welcome here if you continue attacking us like this over something as insignificant as a bug report we've closed. I'm sure you'll take delight in twisting this to suit your agenda on third party websites, but feel free to link to this topic and let people make up their own mind about your behaviour here.
Majdi 2.1 Rookie

Majdi 2.1

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ok then explain why it just started happening for me and many others when I have not switched servers or changed any setting in IPB or yahoo.


I was talking about IPB mail server

@IP team: you have to do something, this is serious. at least look into it <_<
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Lindy Grand Master

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I was talking about IPB mail server



@IP team: you have to do something, this is serious. at least look into it <_<




Your issue should be resolved now - my apologies for any inconvenience. :)
Mat Barrie Experienced

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Your issue should be resolved now - my apologies for any inconvenience. :)



Excellent! I just used "email this topic" on this thread and the email came through. Technically, though, it shouldn't have since it uses my email address as the sender of the email and the SPF record quite clearly says only my servers are authorised to do that. (Should I post changing that as a feature suggestion?)
ColdinCbus Newbie

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Excellent! I just used "email this topic" on this thread and the email came through. Technically, though, it shouldn't have since it uses my email address as the sender of the email and the SPF record quite clearly says only my servers are authorised to do that. (Should I post changing that as a feature suggestion?)


Nope, that is an acceptable relay... otherwise every ISP that blocks port 25 and forces a relay through their mail server would fail your SPF rules. Your MTA must accept messages to your domain, your filtering rules decide if it delivers it or not.

edit = typo and took MDA stuff out that would confuse the issue further
Mat Barrie Experienced

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Nope, that is an acceptable relay... otherwise every ISP that blocks port 25 and forces a relay through their mail server would fail your SPF rules. Your MTA [b]must[/b] accept messages to your [b]domain[/b], your filtering rules decide if it delivers it or not.



edit = typo and took MDA stuff out that would confuse the issue further



Actually, no, it's not an acceptable relay. A third party server should never originate email claiming it is from a user on my domain, as I do not have external users. There is a reason my SPF rule is to hardfail any servers not listed, not softfail them. It's up to me as the domain owner to decide whether third party servers may claim to originate email from my domain, and any server abiding by SPF rules will actually block "email this topic" and any functions like it in an IP.Board installation from claiming to be me.

Secondly, my MTA does not actually have to accept emails at all. In fact, it can choose to throw a 5xx response (according to the RFC) if it feels like instead. This is also known as rejecting email.

Know the RFC before spouting off incorrect infomation about it.
bfarber Grand Master

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Actually, no, it's not an acceptable relay. A third party server should never originate email claiming it is from a user on my domain, as I do not have external users. There is a reason my SPF rule is to [b]hardfail[/b] any servers not listed, not softfail them. It's up to me as the domain owner to decide whether third party servers may claim to originate email from my domain, and any server abiding by SPF rules will actually block "email this topic" and any functions like it in an IP.Board installation from claiming to be me.



Secondly, my MTA does not actually have to accept emails at all. In fact, it can choose to throw a 5xx response (according to the RFC) if it feels like instead. This is also known as rejecting email.



Know the RFC before spouting off incorrect infomation about it.



Did you check all the headers? I know IPB sets different ones - the "From" may be different than the "Reply To".

In any event, all IPB does is call the mail() function. :P Behind the scenes, that's out of my territory..

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