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Update: a sort of work around is to have different pricing for the different currencies offered. Prices including applicable taxes. Would be good however to block members from EU purchasing USD packages though, and vice versa.

Thank you for the reply. I think think the issue may stem from you telling me how I am thinking or what I am doing, when that is in fact just your interpretation of the events from your side. And I stand by the statement that you are misunderstanding several of my posts. I am not asking the system to not do any tax, I am exactly asking for the invoice to show the tax. Yes exactly, doesn't exist in invision, hence I am asking for it. A disagree that a single price model is 'strange'. Netflix for example have a single price model per country, and the amount of tax charged depends on the customers billing address, but the end price is the same. Spotify, Disney+, Amazon Prime, Microsoft 365, Apple Cloud+ the same. (not to confuse their different pricing in different regions) Their prices for a specific regions are the same total price, irrespective of the customers billing region. I believe this to be a fairer way of pricing for the customer, so all customers pay the same, and the business absorbs the necessary VAT/Tax within the product price. The last past of your paragraph I will ignore apart from the brief statement; I will say that I believe it is you who is trying to project onto me. I never insulted you. But you seem to have taken some offence that I used the laugh emoji in reaction to your not very nice comment. And I still stand by my comment that I do not think you are a nice person, I conclude this based upon your written messages. 🙂 I haven not been dishonest at all in what I have written. I do agree that is the best course of action. I have never had to use it here, in nearly 10 years, but certainly would consider using it for you too 🙂 Thank you for the time nether-the-less.

The problem is that you were misunderstand what I was writing. And stating things that I simply did not state. I also wasn't asking you for tax advice, not sure if you are qualified to give such advice anyway. Again, showing you are not a nice person. And trying to speak on behalf of the the whole invision community suggesting to or implying that no one else is going to help. Hopefully some other helpful, and nice, members of the forum can help out with useful suggestions, or workaround. I guess the only solution is for a plugin. 🙂

Please stop completely misinterpreting or assuming what I wrote means something else. Nowhere did I state why you imply I stated, you said "But you don’t want to set up any taxation in the shopping software, let it all calculate by Stripe (which is way too late as it happens at the point of purchase), and then have proper taxes in the shopping software (you chose not to have taxation calculated in) because you now want it for the user invoices. That’s self-contradicting. " This is false. I think you are perhaps just trying to argue for the sake of argument, you are completely misconstruing what I wrote. I didn't say that I do not want to use Invision to show the taxes on the invoice, I am stating that the invoices do not show the taxes that I need. That is the issue. Your point B implies that you can disable Invision invoices and let Stripe send out invoices instead, even when a purchase is made through Invision for a membership subscription. Do you know if that is actually the case? Not sure what you mean by 'Commerce' software. I also didn't mention any Commerce software, only invision and Stripe. I do not think it is a "super strange approach." I think you are misinterpreting what I am saying. Many businesses do exactly what I am suggesting, to have one price for all B2C customers and any applicable taxes are built into the price, absorbed by the company. The fact that Invision can not do this is the exact reason for this topic. Examples: (consumer) Customers in the US: pay £10 per month (invision invoice shows VAT at 0%) (consumer) Customers in UK: Pay £10 (invoice shows total amount paid £10, £8.33 before VAT, amount of VAT £1.67) This is for individual customers, subscriptions. Both customers pay the same, but the business absorbs the VAT as a business operating cost. I do not believe this to be a strange business concept. Businesses have separate subscriptions. But again the same, the price is inclusive of any applicable VAT/TAX, and those with VAT registration numbers can remove the VAT when purchasing. My suggestion was:

Seems like you are not actually looking for what I am looking for as you missed my offer. So I will withdraw that offer and get something custom made and paid fully by myself. To clarify, I mean it works for my specific tax liabilities, to make sure that I pay the correct amount of taxes. This statement was purely around paying the correct amount of VAT/Tax owed for my specific business on the basis that Stripe will have to be used for all transactions. And if all transactions are processed through Stripe, it does ensure that the correct amount of taxes are paid. So in the context of purely paying the correct taxes, that does work. Using Stripe for tax calculations is more accurate as they handle tax VAT/TAX rate updates automatically. Invision (excluding EU only) is completely manual tax inputs for each country. This in itself is an issue. In practice for my example both Invision rates need to be set to give customers the invoice through Invision, and Stripe used to accurately calculate VAT and taxes owed. I wouldn't personally reply just on the manual rates you insert into invision for actually calculating how much VAT and TAX you need to pay to governments. But your points does highlight several issues with Invision, I agree that they should and is which I was stating originally. Struggling because there is no such setting to achieve what I want to do. And what I want to achieve is what many businesses already do do (just not with Invison as far as I am aware, unless they have a custom solution) Maybe you are misunderstanding what I want to do. You state now that it works but previously stated in your other part of your message that you had some things you wanted to change, implying it doesn't work. I want to display one price, inclusive of any applicable taxes. Highlighting the word applicable. The business absorbs the applicable taxes. And a correct invoice is produced for the customer, depending on their location and if individual/customer or VAT registered, which creates a combination of different results. This isn't possible on Invision. Again it should be very simply for in-vision to add this. And I am unsure why it hasn't been requested for other global businesses (if it hasn't done so already):

Can it not be as simple as: Price displayed in store with applicable taxes. VAT/Tax settings are set up (same way they currently are, for the different rates for the different regions) Invoice shows: Total: total price paid the same as (Price displayed in store with applicable taxes.) Tax: the part of the total amount that constitutes tax, based on the rates chosen. This is just for displaying the invoice to the customer. The actual tax calculation (which is 100% correct) is done by stripe, no additional charges are added, it just calculates the tax owed on the amounts received. The issue may be, and I haven't researched into it fully, but just assuming. If I am a VAT registered business and charging VAT as standard, must I not legally give VAT invoices? So just selecting NO TAX, on the tax setting and omitting this information may not be good. I wish to have a singular price for consumers, but also display any applicable taxes paid for the customer so that they are aware. Also helps to let members know that not all of the payment is for the business and some goes to paying VAT so they are aware. @opentype if you are looking for the same sort of feature as me as above, I could check with one of the devs that we use what their cost is and perhaps we could split the cost of this custom plugin/application? If it is a reasonable cost to do.

What is owed and calculating VAT I am sure that the majority of forums that are using Invision are not affected by this, either because they do hit the VAT threshold (£90k for UK businesses, 85k€ for EU businesses, £0/0€ for offshore businesses selling to UK/EU) or they are unaware of their VAT/Tax requirements. But as soon as a business needs to register for VAT this affects them. Digital Services, as I am currently aware are VATable at the standard rate, 20% in UK, different percentage in Europe depending on the country of consumption. This amount of tax can easily be calculated through the stripe integration as far as I am aware, if I toggle the Stripe setting for that calculation on, at an additional 0.5%. Meaning that it is easy to calculate the amount of Tax owed but he amount of money received through Stripe. The amount of tax for US, depends on states, the thresholds, if they are a monetary threshold and/or a transaction threshold. Some states are tax free for some services, others are taxable depending on the limits. The issue is with how invoices are displayed in Invision. What I would like to do What I would like to achieve is a singular price for all customers/members, e.g. £10 per month. With any applicable Tax/VAT being absorbed by the business. There is no way to correctly do this and show the correct amount of tax paid on the Invision invoice? Invision has two settings. A system setting that can be toggled to include/exclude tax in the price. And an adjustable tax rates that can be added to a product/subscription (different rates can be added). Setting for tax included toggled ON. Tax rate on product/ subscription NOT ADDED. This would display no information about the tax on the Invision issued invoice. We can still collect and remit the correct amount of VAT as per the Stripe calculation above, but we would be unable to provide subscribers with a tax invoice breaking down VAT paid? Setting for tax included toggled OFF. Tax rate on product/ subscription NOT ADDED. Same as above. Setting for tax included toggled ON. Tax rate on product/ subscription ADDED. This increases the total price on the invoice, making it £12 not £10, on the example price. I would need to set the rate to £8.33, so that the rate paid is £10 when the tax is added, but the issue is then some customers would pay £8.33 if their countries VAT/TAX rate is 0% instead of £10 that they are supposed to. Setting for tax included toggled OFF. Tax rate on product/ subscription ADDED. This just changes the rate shown in the forum store. The actually invoice is the same as above, resulting in some members being able to lay £8.33 and see £10. What I would like to achieve, which should just be a normal business setting? There are no setting combinations to achieve this? I would like to achieve is a singular price for all customers/members, e.g. £10 per month. With any applicable Tax/VAT being absorbed by the business. But still to show the customer the amount of VAT specific to their purchase. It should be very easy to active, all you do is have X as the price that is displayed to all, and the VAT/TAX part of the invoice that includes the value based on the % of VAT setting chosen, deducing it instead of adding it. In conclusion all I want is a simple price for all customers, and we as a business absorb any necessary and applicable taxes as a business expense. Therefore treating all individual customers equally. Is there no way of doing this? Surely there has to be and I am just missing it?

Thank you, I will check that section! 🙂 Am I correct in thinking there is no way to limit it to specific user groups?

Thanks. How would I go about setting up my current Invision instance as the master/server so members can login to other services/websites using OAuth, with their login credentials for my current forum? Looking under OAuth within the admin side, looks like that is just to set it up for other Oauth services to log into my current forum but not the other way around. And is there a way to limit the login on other services by specific member groups? Many thanks in advance

I currently have a v4 invision community. Let's call this community A for example. If I set up a new v4 (community B) (as v5 isn't released yet) invision community and use my existing v4 community A as the master oAuth login server, and then the new invision community B members can login with their pre-existing community A login. My question is, if I upgrade community B to v5 at release, but keep my community A as v4, will that still work fine with the logins on the new community? I do not wish to upgrade my old community as too many plugins and applications but would like an additional forum where they can login with their existing login. I presume upgrade from v4 to v5 will be absolutely fine.

These keeps happening again. Legitimate users keep getting this pop up, and I have been experiencing it too frequently recently also.

Oh awesome, absolute legend @TDBF, many thanks for sharing that! Oh it is a tar file not an xml? The previous one was an xml plugin. With this v2, can I migrate the data from the previous plugin to this application somehow just by installing this app?

@TDBF do you have the latest version of this? Or 1.0.8 that you are able to send me 🙏 (looks like your personnel messenger is disabled here so I am unable to PM you) Or if anyone else has the files, it would be great, many thanks!

Thanks, I can't see it there. 😞 I can try to get a developer to update the code, just would be best to get the latest version first. From the invision marketplace when it existed.

This plugin only just stopped working completely for me after the update to the latest version of invision. I am currently using version 1.0.8 though it says it was updated to '2.0.1.1 Beta' on 22/05/23 but never upgraded to that as the link is broken from the AdminCP. Any idea where I can find the latest version of this plugin and if it is still supported by the author, not sure if this is or isn't them: @Catzwolf Many thanks in advance