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General_Zhaoyun

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Hi,

There doesn't seem to be any spelling check for IPB at the moment. May I suggest that there is a spelling check function (somewhat similar to Words) in the forum. This spelling check can be used for checking any spelling errors and might help in correcting spelling mistakes.

Josh Grand Master

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We probably won't be adding this, definitely not with the initial release of 3.0. There's quite a few browsers that have built in spell check now, and the other have plugins that add this functionality, so it doesn't seem necessary to me.

Mark H. Mentor

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Internet Explorer also does spellchecking, through an addon called "ieSpellExtensionClass" from Red Egg Software. Works perfectly within the Advanced Editor of IPB.

EliteKiller Rookie

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I feel the same about Firefox.



This type of discussion is quite senseless. Nearly every browser has advantages and disadvantages (although <<IE 8 doesn't make the life of a webdeveloper much easier). Everybody should use his favourite browser in the last version.

I personally don't like Fx and prefer MSIE
Mark H. Mentor

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While I won't go so far as to say Firefox=FAIL, like it or not Internet Explorer is the world standard browser and is used by more people than any other.

Firefox is an excellent alternative, yes, and among specialized groups it's clearly the browser of choice. But if a site works in IE, it will work in damn near anything.

Web Developers know this, and may not like having to do so, but they still have to make sites IE-compatible first. This gives their customer the widest possible general audience.

And admittedly, if your entire target audience is 14-year-old pasty-faced gaming geeks, the point is largely moot.

Luke Mentor

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Web Developers know this, and may not like having to do so, but they still have to make sites IE-compatible first. This gives their customer the widest possible general audience.



Wrong. IE is NOT the world standard. The world "standard" are the standards set forth by W3C, which Microsoft happily ignores. The ONLY reason why most people use IE over any other is because (1) it comes with the most marketed operating system, and (2) most computer users are illiterate and don't know any better. If people were more technology literate, they'd be using the alternatives. And for those that are, they have family or friends that have pointed them in the right direction.

And just so we're clear, when I say "literate" I mean more than moving the mouse, or typing up a word document. If most people were technology "literate", there wouldn't be as much of a need for computer repair shops. Most people would be fixing computers themselves. I used to work in the "fixing" industry and you have no idea how many times I've seen something as simple as the computer not being plugged in. And these type of people are not far and few between, they're all over the place.

Firefox is an excellent alternative, yes, and among specialized groups it's clearly the browser of choice. But if a site works in IE, it will work in damn near anything.



Web Developers know this, and may not like having to do so, but they still have to make sites IE-compatible first. This gives their customer the widest possible general audience.



And again, you are completely wrong. If I developed anything for IE first I'd have to spend more time making it work for other browsers than I would the other way around. I can develop for any other browser first and have it work with all the others, then come back to IE and fix it's oddities later. Yes, I have to spend hours fixing these sometimes, but it would be far less effective developing for a broken browser first. The reason for this is because pretty much every other browser out there follows the standards to a tee. I'm not saying they're perfect because they aren't, but they are a hell of a lot closer in being consistent with each other and standards compliant. And IE is just now catching up with IE7 and IE8, and it's still far behind.

And admittedly, if your entire target audience is 14-year-old pasty-faced gaming geeks, the point is largely moot.



... Dude,.. you have no idea what you're talking about. Do you realize that you just called every technology literate person out there a 14 year old pasty faced geek? Because again, you're wrong. If you were younger I'd have some very pointed things to say, but you're not. You should know better.

Just because a bunch of kids favor FireFox or any alternative does not mean that they are the target audience. Many people with real jobs and nice salaries also prefer any other browser over IE.. They just don't blab on about it like kids do... And that's all you see, so being someone that is narrow minded, of course you're going to assume that. And perhaps that's part of the problem.

If you can't listen to web developers, the people actually doing the job, there's really not much I can tell you. All that I ask is that you keep an open mind, and stop assuming things. You prefer IE? Great, stay with that. The next generation may be a little smarter in some regard.

Now... I don't mean to be mean... but you have to realize that by profession I am a web developer and I experience this each and every day. It would be like me telling an experienced solider on the battle field what the best strategy is even though I've never fought in a war.
Luke Mentor

Luke

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I'm amused by how some people treat The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) as some sort of an authority.



I'm amused by how people can balk at standardization. In fact, as a developer, I can be somewhat angered by it. Consistency is very important to progress.
Brandon D Mentor

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This is funny. For the record, I primarily use FF3 and/or Opera9.

Would just like to point out to Luke that not every "technology literate" person uses alternative browsers, as you pointed out multiple times throughout your post. I know countless people in various technology fields that stick with IE and are well aware of the other alternatives out there. I myself (also a developer) primarily used IE6/7 for a couple years in the field some years back.

At this point, there's really no huge advantages to using one browser over the other and is largely personal preference - not whether someone knows better or not. So stop trying to push your browser-religion on others by making it seem anyone choosing to go with IE is an idiot.

As for the OP, I don't see a point in adding this to IPB when, as people have said, newer browsers can do this.

Luke Mentor

Luke

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I apologize for being a bit over the top. But just because it's used by a large percentage does not make it the "world standard" by any means. I'm not trying to push my preference on anyone.. but as a developer I find most of my headaches come from Internet Explorer.. pretty much all of them do. And just as I cannot speak for everyone in one aspect, neither can you, or anyone else.

Lewis P Mentor

Lewis P

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As a developer myself I don't even cater for IE, 97% of my unique visitors use FireFox. I know my site does work in other browsers, but I don't go out of my way to fix issues.

Anyway, back to the topic in hand, although a spell checker would be ideal in some cases, how would translations and languages be kept up to date? Would users be able to keep a self-defined dictionary? Would it slow down loading times?

Just use browser plugins ;)

Luke Mentor

Luke

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Yeah, for the most part most browsers have it built in, in one way or another. Not really needed. It's kind of better than way anyway.

Mark H. Mentor

Mark H.

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Wrong. IE is NOT the world standard. The world "standard" are the standards set forth by W3C, which Microsoft happily ignores. The ONLY reason why most people use IE over any other is because (1) it comes with the most marketed operating system, and (2) most computer users are illiterate and don't know any better. If people were more technology literate, they'd be using the alternatives. And for those that are, they have family or friends that have pointed them in the right direction.



*****SNIP*****


Sorry, too long to quote completely.



I already have an open mind. And both feet firmly planted in the reality of what drives business and the computer world in general: Money. Not idealism, not what's best, not even what's right. Just money.

Also, you should have read more of this thread before jumping in. Had you done so, you would have realized my post was a somewhat smart-assed reply to another user who's obviously a youthful fanboy for a non-IE browser and/or a Microsoft hater. (And perhaps a pasty-faced gaming geek.) I know perfectly well that computer literacy isn't restricted to 14-year olds. One of the most knowledgeable people I know in the field has 10 years on me, and I'm in my 50's.

But, since we're showing our credentials, I've been a Network Engineer, Network Designer, Network Installer, Hardware Engineer, Repair Tech, and a few other computer-related jobs, all well-paying ones, since the mid-70's. I do believe I know the meaning of the term "computer literate". I've never been a Web Developer or a Programmer (PASCAL, FORTRAN, and COBOL don't count), so I believe you when you say how frustrating it is to accomplish multi-browser compatibility.

You ARE right that the overwhelming majority of users are barely literate in the sense of "smart-choice browsing". And that's not going to change anytime soon. Today's youth are far more computer-knowledgeable than average, true. But they're also still in the minority when we're talking sheer numbers (though that WILL change fairly soon). And they aren't the target demographic for most Fortune 500's. I'm not so foolish as to think NONE of the Fortune 500's target kids. The Gaming industry in general targets youth, as do other industries, and rightfully so. But we're talking browsers, not games.

And the average user doesn't WANT to know. They just want to turn it on, move the mouse, click buttons, and surf. IE came with Windows, so they use it. It's changing, yes, but not soon enough to suit some people, including me. I was a Netscape user for many years. Very nice browser. Unfortunately, Microsoft ate it for lunch, directly or indirectly depending on who you believe.

So to that end, IE *IS* the "world standard", IN THE SENSE that more people use it than any other, and aren't going to change their habits just because a Web Developer, or me, tells them to drop IE and get Firefox.

And good god, if you've read ANY of my posts about that, I've ALWAYS referred to IE as the 600-pound gorilla in the living room. Does that sound like I'm an IE fanboy? I never said I prefer it. I've said I use it because it's the most compatible across the broadest range of sites, apps within, and uses thereof. If I visit 100,000 sites and note which ones have specific problems with a particular browser, IE will be the one with the fewest problems.

You admit that you DO make your apps compatible to IE. But you do it last rather than first. Fair enough, I got the order wrong.

But.... you still make them compatible with IE. And if you DIDN'T make your work compatible with IE, what then? How many really big clients (Banks, World-wide Retailers, Paypal, even IPS) would settle for a web app that didn't support IE when visitors came to their website for whatever business they want to conduct? Unless things have changed VERY radically in the last couple years, the answer is "few to none". No mainstream corporation is going to willingly cut off IE users, regardless of how much of a pain in the ass it is for you to make that app work with IE. Again, money trumps most other considerations.

Now, that doesn't make it RIGHT, and I wasn't trying to say it was. But it IS a reality. And unless I mistook your meaning, you admitted as much when you said, "by profession I am a web developer and I experience this each and every day."

Standardization is a wonderful thing. Social insects like bees accomplished it millions of years ago. Humans still have a long way to go.

And how interesting.... for grins I ran my spellchecker. The only thing it could come up with is that I should use "spell checker" and "spell checking" rather than "spellchecker and "spellchecking".

I've already given my opinion about spellchecking, but I'll repeat it to stay on-topic: It's already widely available as a plugin for most browsers. IPS shouldn't reinvent the wheel.
.Matt. Enthusiast

.Matt.

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*sigh* A script development forum. I would of never seen this coming. When people on here starting saying IE is the "Best". But. w/e. fight some more. People that really understand what the fastest and most reliable browser is can just get our amusement from here.

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