Creative Commons

[inventaur]

Great new feature needed!


My forum is designed to become an Intellectual Property discussion house and an open, democratic authoring site for ideas and futurology. To this end, we want to allow posters to get propper attribution for their work, and this will mean using Creative Commons. The goal is to use CC's pop-up html which they say can be embedded in a web site. As forums are special, I want to be able to put the pop up in the post edit page tool bar - this then launches a window that takes you through the liscence process. A graphic is left at the foot of the work in the posting itself.

Creative Commons code explanation

This would be an enormous feature for many forums - does anyone here want to work with me on it? I suggest that IPB looks to add this feature, as it can then be incorporated into the next release. The feature needs a generic CC liscence for the whole site, and a user specific one that is authorised to forums/users in Control Panel.

[Wolfie]

I think this would be better off as a mod.

[Jasonawojo]

I think this would be better off as a mod.

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As do I ;)

[inventaur]

As do I ;)

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The problem is I don't know how to do it. I seriously believe that IPB would benefit from the increasingly rich media that it offers users being integrated with a seamless Creative Commons process as described -

I petition you guys to look into this with me!

I've got a couple of others and my college people could look at it too, but surely YOU are the people who would benefit. We are going to see forums become the major hubs on the web, with far more traffic and action than on all the other websites. We are, with the huge potential of the new forums at the start of a cultural revolution. People will unquestionably be using them more and for more.

[outlaw]

The problem is I don't know how to do it. I seriously believe that IPB would benefit from the increasingly rich media that it offers users being integrated with a seamless Creative Commons process as described -

I petition you guys to look into this with me!

I've got a couple of others and my college people could look at it too, but surely YOU are the people who would benefit. We are going to see forums become the major hubs on the web, with far more traffic and action than on all the other websites. We are, with the huge potential of the new forums at the start of a cultural revolution. People will unquestionably be using them more and for more.

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Just because you cannot make the modification doesn't mean it should be included in IPB.

I agree with Jason and Dacity2, this is better left off as a modification for those who want it.

[inventaur]

Just because you cannot make the modification doesn't mean it should be included in IPB.

I agree with Jason and Dacity2, this is better left off as a modification for those who want it.

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Yes, well IPB has tonnes of features that each individual user might not want. I find it over-feature laden in terms of novice users being given a lot of clickable emoticons etc. The option I describe would be option and hidden in CP and purchasable if not, so that it is a great add on feature. You must see that forums are evolving into cultural hubs, and that the transition relies on richer media and features that are intuitive.

The main reason why the forum will become an important part of publishing, and therefore rely upon copyright, is simply that the forum network will be able to generate far more of the appropriate traffic to each average user than is possible via a model of 'island internet' which is the system today, composed largely of individual websites isolated by seas of information and poorly linked via independant databases. The forum puts everything onto a database and is therefore more efficient, but it enables communities to associate more readily. Thus, we will have a forum that allows postings to evolve into websites within the groups permissions, and the funding structure will be paying for memory and services (i.e. copyright packages), ability to link together postings, adding permitted html etc. With future WYSIWYG templates, the forum will offer the advantages of a website plus traffic, and will be the easiest way for people to get online and get a community. Whilst ordinary websites will continue to exist as commercial activities, forums will be the social side of the internet.

[outlaw]

You are so "hell bent" on getting this added that it's almost pointless debating with you on why it shouldn't be.

[inventaur]

You are so "hell bent" on getting this added that it's almost pointless debating with you on why it shouldn't be.

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It is you trolling. I'm talking about features that the market, which I know well, would want, and I am attempting to communicate that with those at the top so that they can respond, which is the essence of market economics.

[inventaur]

Further, if the option is an add on, or purchase only, that resolves your problem, quite entirely

[outlaw]

:rolleyes:

[inventaur]

IPB are building new blog features. I'm talking to the developers at Creative Commons, and theres a lot of people in the blog world looking to add CC to their blog so they get credited for useful information they give out. Bloggers are looking for recognition, and CC has responded to the market for creating a special html program for blogs. If IPB are adding blogs, then CC should be a very useful feature to add and build in. Also, the postings in IPBoards are also going to benefit. I think that it is clear that people want CC in blogs/boards, and that it is also clear people can't be bothered adding all the code. There must be a strong case for adding CC to blogs/posts as a package.

If CC is an add on, IPB can sell it just as it can the gallery or messenger, and that wont bother those that want a 'clean' board. The feature could be advertised on CC so that means many potential users will go straight to IPB as they are the first. Its a shame that CC is so new as it is difficult making people aware of the potential demand - everyone wants their work attributed to them.

[Wolfie]

You are so "hell bent" on getting this added that it's almost pointless debating with you on why it shouldn't be.

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They do seem to be stuck in "you have to add this, i know i'm right about it and i know you're wrong to disagree" mode.. :lol:

It is you trolling. I'm talking about features that the market, which I know well, would want, and I am attempting to communicate that with those at the top so that they can respond, which is the essence of market economics.

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Well then while we're at it, let's add in everything that is known to bring in revenue.. How about a porn-site addon, games, net-phone-communications, instant messenger functionality (lets you start your own IM base!), taxes calculator (do your yearly taxes with the forum software!).. Heck, also will-maker, mortgage handler.. Entire financial institution! TV guide, microwave, cell phone, cruise control for the car, the list goes on..

Come on Matt, get to it! This dude is right, features that the market wants the market should get!!

Ok, I'm done with the sarcasm. Being serious now.. What you want is site-feature specific. There are a lot of IPB's that have RPG's integrated. It's a popular modification, more widely known than what you are babbling on about, and I haven't seen anyone really asking for it to be pre-included. Perhaps your "knowledge" of what the market wants is not as well thought as you think it is. For example, if you go to gaming sites, then yes, you'd see just how much everyone wants a certain type of game or certain upgrades to games.. Gee, the entire planet must want to play that game! But guess what! Not everyone plays games. Go to a site dealing with medicine, and you'll realize that.. Hey, a lot of people want to learn how to do (whatever), so EVERYONE in the world must want it.. But oh my, those people wanting to play games shrug off the medical information and those seriously into the medicine are shrugging off the games. Hmmmm.. Something must be wrong with those people because they don't realize the market expertise of someone...

I hope you get the point.

P.S.
Having a nasty attitude will quickly get you and any ideas you have ignored. Outlaw helps to run a site that organizes a community of mods and mod-designers. Being nice to him might encourage him to help you out some with finding someone to try to design the mod for you.

[inventaur]

They do seem to be stuck in "you have to add this, i know i'm right about it and i know you're wrong to disagree" mode..  :lol:

Well then while we're at it, let's add in everything that is known to bring in revenue..  How about a porn-site addon, games, net-phone-communications, instant messenger functionality (lets you start your own IM base!), taxes calculator (do your yearly taxes with the forum software!)..  Heck, also will-maker, mortgage handler..  Entire financial institution!  TV guide, microwave, cell phone, cruise control for the car, the list goes on..

Come on Matt, get to it!  This dude is right, features that the market wants the market should get!!

Ok, I'm done with the sarcasm.  Being serious now..  What you want is site-feature specific.  There are a lot of IPB's that have RPG's integrated.  It's a popular modification, more widely known than what you are babbling on about, and I haven't seen anyone really asking for it to be pre-included.  Perhaps your "knowledge" of what the market wants is not as well thought as you think it is.  For example, if you go to gaming sites, then yes, you'd see just how much everyone wants a certain type of game or certain upgrades to games..  Gee, the entire planet must want to play that game!  But guess what!  Not everyone plays games.  Go to a site dealing with medicine, and you'll realize that..  Hey, a lot of people want to learn how to do (whatever), so EVERYONE in the world must want it..  But oh my, those people wanting to play games shrug off the medical information and those seriously into the medicine are shrugging off the games.  Hmmmm..  Something must be wrong with those people because they don't realize the market expertise of someone...

I hope you get the point.

P.S.

Having a nasty attitude will quickly get you and any ideas you have ignored.  Outlaw helps to run a site that organizes a community of mods and mod-designers.  Being nice to him might encourage him to help you out some with finding someone to try to design the mod for you.

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Well thanks for your observations - I hardly have a nasty attitude as all I'm doing is pointing out that there really is a market for people to want attribution for their work. Perhaps I overeacted and my tone was wrong, but all I can say is that I am making a suggestion, I do indeed know my community well, and I know bloggers want CC, and so I assume that a forum could add such things to its proffit - it don't matter about me I'm just talking about a market. What strikes me here, is that I have said that this could be a damn useful add on, not ramming it down throats and so I cant accept the judgement initially made and thats what I feel I was right to respond to. I accept not everyone will want it - most wont, but many will. So why should all those people duplicate the same work if they can buy it from IPB and make them a profit?

Attribution is practically hardwired into the needs of the soul - actually I can claim that this as fact. So why wont people want to take a free copyright on a graphical joke or story they post?

[Wolfie]

You should perhaps read what you said as though it was someone else saying those same words to you. How would YOU feel if someone was boasting about how they know something, trying to come off as being brilliant, but in the process demonstrate a narrow way of thinking?

If you get a mod that is made to do what you want, and others are downloading and installing that same mod, then is it being duplicated? No. You make it sound like the IPB community is just a bunch of random people who don't share ideas/concepts with one another. It's easy to think that when you haven't enlightened yourself with the proper knowledge. I can understand that there are those who wish to make use of services to claim a copyright on their work, but hating to burst your dreamworld bubble, in my ventures on the internet, I have only come across one site similar to what you speak about, and that's because you are talking about it. I *have* come across many gaming sites, chat sites, tax-related sites, etc. Please, before you go on and on and on and on and on about how this would be a benefit to have pre-included, think about how there are other items of interest that would be of more use that should be included first. If *EVERY* idea were to be included, it'd never get written. That's why there are mods, for the more topic-specific enhancements to an already feature-packed forum package.

Now chill out ok? If others like the idea, they'll say so. Otherwise, you should visit one of the many IPB mod sites and put in requests there for what you want.

[inventaur]

You should perhaps read what you said as though it was someone else saying those same words to you.

[outlaw]

This topic is becomming very abused. :rolleyes:

[inventaur]

This topic is becomming very abused. :rolleyes:

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Yep, you know what, I'm just gonna accept it was my fault for starting this and I was a twerp to begin with. There.

I just wanna get on with discussing stuff!

[Wolfie]

Dude, for someone who claims to know psychology, you certainly don't demonstrate it on yourself.

No, wait, before you hit that reply button and go off on another flame.. Think.. When I told you to chill out, did you? No. You instead ignored it completely and went nuts. I said to chill for a reason. It's because you can't accept that you are not flawless.

Now, try this.. (Seriously, before you go replying to it, read it and try it. If you reply to this then it proves that you didn't think about this)..

CALM DOWN. You made your suggestion. You were told, by more than one person, that this is better off as a mod. *WE* didn't tell you that it wouldn't be included, because only one person decides that. However, considering all of the suggestions that do and do not make it in, when it's mentioned that it's better as a mod, that is a clue that it might not happen, and that your best bet is to seek a mod to do it for you, instead of waiting and waiting only to likely be disappointed that your suggestion didn't get used. Ok?

Now, stay calm.. Like I said, if others like your idea.. They will reply and endorse your idea. But if you keep replying and showing your rear end, it will discourage those who may otherwise agree with you. Now, stop talking down to me and in all seriousness, read what you have said as though it was someone else saying it to you. If you honestly do that, you'll be amazed at how rude you've been.

Keep your cool and wait for responses. I've made suggestions myself.. Some have gotten endorsements from others, some haven't. Oh well. It's part of the process. That, and being it's Friday, some people may not have had a chance to read it yet. Ok?

Let's see if you can relax and not respond to 1 simple post that is attempting to help you out.

There's also no need to bash yourself (ie, twerp).. Ok? No one said your idea was stupid. Just not practical for inclusion. And really, check out some IPB mod sites, you might find someone will to write it for you and willing to make it to specifications that you give them.

:)

[inventaur]

I really haven't flamed you, I have only replied to points and explained my side. I find it odd that you keep talking about other peoples self awareness when it is you doing quite literally all the flaming. I must state that in no way am I talking down to you, certainly not intentionally.

You don't get me and frankly, I really have not the slightest interest in this stupid tit for tat nonsense. I did not put my self down, but where a man recognises his fault he acknowledges it and moves on.

If I have upset you I apologise. I am making no judgements about other peoples intelligence simply because I might disagree with them.

Now, this is rubbishing now not only this thread but distracting the forum and I'd like to focus on the suggestion. BTW, I realise that it is a mod option, thanks, as it couldn't be anything else at this stage especially considering the response here.

I've just had an offer to join a team to develop my ideas as part of a national innovation community, so maybe something will come of it. I believe so anyway.

[inventaur]

OK, so were talking mods, not features.

Also, do you guys have a system where you can have some sort of approved 'mod list' that you buy or is it traded? I did suggest that the add on above would be a purchased option. Don't really know how your community works this stuff - I just started my thread here and hoped I could find fellow publishing enthusiasts with the program skills. Invisionise?

Cheers

[Rikki]

Dude, for someone who claims to know psychology, you certainly don't demonstrate it on yourself.

No, wait, before you hit that reply button and go off on another flame..  Think..  When I told you to chill out, did you?  No.  You instead ignored it completely and went nuts.  I said to chill for a reason.  It's because you can't accept that you are not flawless.

Now, try this..  (Seriously, before you go replying to it, read it and try it.  If you reply to this then it proves that you didn't think about this)..

CALM DOWN.  You made your suggestion.  You were told, by more than one person, that this is better off as a mod.  *WE* didn't tell you that it wouldn't be included, because only one person decides that.  However, considering all of the suggestions that do and do not make it in, when it's mentioned that it's better as a mod, that is a clue that it might not happen, and that your best bet is to seek a mod to do it for you, instead of waiting and waiting only to likely be disappointed that your suggestion didn't get used.  Ok?

Now, stay calm..  Like I said, if others like your idea..  They will reply and endorse your idea.  But if you keep replying and showing your rear end, it will discourage those who may otherwise agree with you.  Now, stop talking down to me and in all seriousness, read what you have said as though it was someone else saying it to you.  If you honestly do that, you'll be amazed at how rude you've been.

Keep your cool and wait for responses.  I've made suggestions myself..  Some have gotten endorsements from others, some haven't.  Oh well.  It's part of the process.  That, and being it's Friday, some people may not have had a chance to read it yet.  Ok?

Let's see if you can relax and not respond to 1 simple post that is attempting to help you out.

There's also no need to bash yourself (ie, twerp)..  Ok?  No one said your idea was stupid.  Just not practical for inclusion.  And really, check out some IPB mod sites, you might find someone will to write it for you and willing to make it to specifications that you give them.

:)

Please stay out of this topic from here on in. If you don't like the suggestion then fine, but all you're doing is creating trouble.

[reconbot]

Oh man..

I support a CC license mod/feature. I run a few Movable Type sites and MT has basically a 4 click method for picking the license and then its included on the site. Its quite nifty and handy.

I'd wonder if you'd want to license your boards or have individual members license their posts. It seams like a good idea to me but I can hardly say I'm layer enough to work out the details.