@csm Regardless of bug reports, getting aggressive about IPS4 not being bug free when IPS openly states it's in beta makes his community contribution irrelevant, he's not wrong in the least. Current purchases are for IP products including Board 3.4.7, those with active licenses have access to the open beta for self testing. Yes it is voluntary. You pay for IP.Board but have access to the new IPS Rework beta. As far as I know there's never been a promised release date so unless you can provide proof, I'm going to stand strong that you're making false accusations. As aforementioned unless you provide evidence of a promised time line, this entire argument is unreasonable. Those who make a living with IPS products are very fortunate indeed, however it's not up to IPS to do anything more than produce quality content and support their products, they offer excellent support already and sometimes quality takes a bit of an extra while; if you're any sort of developer you should know this. There's a large abundance of users who poke around on all products, IPS has their own staff that proactively find and report bugs, the additional help speeds up the process as well, those few extra quality hands on deck speeds up the process sometimes ten-fold which is the purpose of an open beta, expecting an army of high-collaborative users that dedicate hours at a time specifically to finding bugs is wrong. It would be nice, but should not be expected. They never promised a date, whole argument is irrelevant (unless otherwise proven). They interact with the community frequently, the participate in a lot of the community powered topics and even posted in the real-life pictures topic. I myself (alongside many others) don't need any sort of 'appreciate' topic, we pay them and continue to offer my money their way because I know they've made a software I can get behind, the kind of website applications that I wouldn't want to work any other way (in most cases, otherwise simple tweaks I make myself) but above all, the fact you're at all unsatisfied because they haven't made some grand announcement to the paying customers is a little bit of an embarrassment on your part. It's a humbling experience, but expecting it just removes the genuine feeling of appreciation and replaces it with 'we did it to keep em' happy'. You shouldn't be too proud to have at all brought that up. Absolutely they are, a major corporate leaders like Apple and Android (google included) wouldn't be where they are today if they didn't have customers with such loyalty and third-party developers that created the diversity needed for applications. Requesting appreciation is pathetic, IPS has delivered in many ways and ensured that we receive exactly what they advertise. We buy it because we wanted to, their software looked like the best option or the most reasonable purchase; you're not working tirelessly for some underpaying boss who shows no appreciation for you or your contribution, IPS is indirectly showing their appreciation by not closing up shop and continuing to push the limits with more and more updates, patches and they felt it would be best achieved with a complete rewrite, this is a huge undertaking and one that will be a peak moment for the future of IPS, I am confident about that. They interact with the community which acknowledges our existence, that's appreciation enough on it's own as far as I'm concerned.