I assume that when I delete a usergroup, this does not affect accounts; it is just the group which is deleted - yes?

What happens to member accounts if they are in a single usergroup and I delete the group?

They would be moved back to the default standard group if you delete the main group they are in

Hi @Marc

How do I determine the 'default standard group'? Is it the appropriate post-count group?

Default group = Members (unless you have renamed that group)

I also looked for a setting to setup the default group. but could not find it.

As above :)

1 hour ago, Moestuin said:

Default group = Members (unless you have renamed that group)

I also looked for a setting to setup the default group. but could not find it.

38 minutes ago, Marc said:

As above :)

Thanks.

But I have no such group. And I migrated to Invision, so the groups were whatever I had in place before migration and what I have added since. So how do I determine which is the default group?

Hi @Como,

The default Members group is usually id=3.

Go to your AdminCP and click on each of your groups. There is an ID at the end of the URL. When you find id=3, you have found the default Members group. 😉

Right. I happened to know group ID 3 for other reasons. It is my '0' post-count group, which would make sense.

Having said this, aren't IDs copied across from my original (SMF) forum? If so, would this overwrite ID=3 with invision, and leave Invision's ID=3 group in place if there is no equivalent? I am not sure where this leaves me.

This seems less than solid. I guess I'll have to perform some testing with a test account a new test group to see what happens.

Im not sure what else we can give you here. If you delete a group, and its a members main group, they will be moved to the group people are in when they register originally

1 hour ago, Marc said:

Im not sure what else we can give you here. If you delete a group, and its a members main group, they will be moved to the group people are in when they register originally

With respect, @Marc, that's the first time that's been stated. But thank you - that's clear! 🙂

Just now, Como said:

With respect, @Marc, that's the first time that's been stated. But thank you - that's clear! 🙂

Just so you are aware in case it comes up in future, that is what your default group means.

19 hours ago, Moestuin said:

Default group = Members (unless you have renamed that group)

I also looked for a setting to setup the default group. but could not find it.

Yeah. 'Default' is incorrect nomenclature. This is not a base position which can be overridden. And without options, there can be no 'default'.

I suggest Invision use 'base registration usergroup' or some such because it is not a 'default'. This is what has caused confusion.

Yes, it can be overridden. There is a configuration file for every installation.

All these options are “defaults“, as this is how the software is set up originally and the admins (or IPS for cloud installations) can override them, including the “default“ group for new members. Nothing wrong with that language.

42 minutes ago, opentype said:

Yes, it can be overridden. There is a configuration file for every installation.

All these options are “defaults“, as this is how the software is set up originally and the admins (or IPS for cloud installations) can override them, including the “default“ group for new members. Nothing wrong with that language.

How does that apply to Cloud customers? I cannot change it - can I?

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9 minutes ago, Como said:

Does that apply to Cloud customers?

This is not something a cloud customer could set up, no.

Just now, Marc said:

This is not something a cloud customer could set up, no.

Hi @Marc,

It might be coming across this way, but I am not meaning to give you or anyone a hard time. I'm just pointing out that if I cannot override something, the use of 'default' is confusing. That's all.

Thank you for your help - I do mean that.

Sorry to hear you feel its confusing. Please let me explain the situation there:

When a user registers, they have no usergroup. Therefore the only group that they can be added to is "members" initially, unless that is changed. When you delete a group and they have to be put somewhere, the very same applies. This we would call the default group, because this is exactly what it is.

"a selection automatically used by a program in the absence of a choice made by the user" - Ref https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/default

Certainly not trying to be combative in any way, but unfortunately the assumption you have that its incorrect in any way, isnt actually correct there.

Of course, we always try to help :) Thats what we're here for