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Entry Comments posted by Linux-Is-Best

  1. 21 minutes ago, opentype said:

    That’s a rather misleading claim at best. Just because some people manage to get something like a certain version of a certain Adobe app (for example) running on a certain Linux distribution with Wine + third-party scripts and command-line actions, doesn’t mean that this matches in any way what millions of users can rely on with a permanent official support for an app on Windows or Mac OS. And funnily enough, we could have the same discussion about community software. My oldest site once ran with phpBB and MediaWiki, both free and open source. But I still deliberately chose to “upgrade” to a proprietary subscription-based product called Invision Community, because a product being “free, open source and almost as good paid competitors” isn’t necessarily my main concern. I knew what I did when I chose IPS and I know what I did when I chose my desktop operating system. It’s fine that you are happy with Linux, but just because we don’t share your passion doesn’t mean that we are too “set in our ways” or just don’t know enough about Linux. But that’s exactly the picture you are trying to paint here. And I find it somewhat annoying (since you assert false things about our knowledge and motivations) and it might even be counter-productive, when it’s this kind of “preaching” with questionable claims (such as “everything can be installed on Linux”.). 

    Does it work? Yes. Can I do everything you do on Windows with it? Yes. Is it officially supported? No. And I guess it really comes down to how you value something. Beyond software updates and security patches, I don't expect support from Microsoft or Adobe. Never have. Even when I was using Microsoft Windows, I never expected support. Perhaps when I was a naive kid and didn't know what I was doing, I'd shoot an e-mail and inquire, but I often learned that technical support for programs was often lacking (generally speaking, from any company). Most of my inquires were easier resolved using a search engine. In 2021, that has only grown more truthful.


    I cannot presume to speak for everyone any more than you can. Still, for most people I know (including professionals), it comes down to those first two questions. Does it work, and am I limited in my compacity to use the product? Provided the answer is favorite, I don't care what the official stance is. It works, and I'm not limited. 


    That said, I do apologize if you felt my viewpoint offended you. I was only sharing an expressed opinion and not trying to target anyone or insult anyone. It was a mix of random abstract thinking in the form of thought (off-topic, for sure). My original reply was even only meant to be a little dry humor (playing off the whole, everyone uses Mac comment). The topic was never meant to be serious, and I'm still not taking it seriously, beyond wishing to apologize if you felt it was offensive. 

  2. 28 minutes ago, Davyc said:

    Yeah, but Office 365, CorelDraw, CuteFTP and whole load of other apps I use won't.  I also have a lot of standalone effects that won't run either, so that is the drawback and I'm sure there will be many others who will say the same about the apps they use.  If Linux supported everything that runs in a Windows 10 environment I would probably change in a heartbeat 🙂


    Getting Microsoft Office and Microsoft Office 365 to work on Linux is so easy. They literally have guides that say, look how easy this is. 😂 But I do not blame you for not knowing. Unless you got fed up with Windows (and I would not blame you if you did), most folks do not look into how easy things have become. As I said, the biggest hurdle today is folks are never eager to try new things. Instead, they learn what works, get set in their ways, and that's good enough for them until it isn't, which is why I presume you had no idea how easy it is to run Office on Linux. Folks recall how hard it once was and never looked back. And why should they? If things work for them, they tend to take the path of least resistance.

    Do people still use CorelDraw? It has been so long since I have known anyone who still uses CorelDraw, but I see they're still around (the latest release was 2 months ago). I'd argue that there are many better alternatives, not just on Linux but also on Windows and Apple.  I'm uncertain about the current state of CorelDraw on Linux (I'm surprised it's still out there).

    CuteFTP can run on Linux. I just did it a moment ago. When it comes to small (little) apps such as CuteFTP, they are not an issue.

    But again, we're getting off-topic, and I can already imagine poor @Charles and @Jordan Invision wondering why we all keep talking about Linux.  -- The answer is the interview was very thought out, and it didn't leave you with any questions. I did enjoy the video.



  3. 1 hour ago, Davyc said:

    The biggest drawback of Linux is the lack of compatibility with software that many people use - and that can cover quite a bit of ground. Macs and PCs are well catered for and most of the big name softwares are made for these two giants. The vast majority of the software I use will not work on a Linux system, and I find that a little disappointing but understandable.  I'd love to give it a try on my PC but not being able to use the software I use daily is blockade.  Perhaps this will change over time and Linux will be seen as a viable alternative for regular Mac and PC users, but for now the forte for Linux is driving the Internet and it does that superbly well 🙂


    Everything from Photoshop to AutoCAD can be made to run on Linux. As @abobader said, 25 years ago, anyone telling you that Linux was a suitable desktop was either 1) very tech-savvy and could overcome all the drawback -or- 2) was blowing smoke. A lot has changed in all that time. There are even ways now to get Apple products to run on Linux, such as iWorks, for example (pushing the ethics aside).


    I think the biggest hurdle today is folks are never eager to try new things. Instead, they learn what works, get set in their ways, and that's good enough for them until it isn't. Linux came onto the ground floor when Windows took off, and Apple was in its first golden age. When Linux first came through the gates, it looked more like a DOS screen than an acceptable point and click interface.  Now that Linux has caught up, folks are mostly already sold on what they know, and it will be that way for a bit longer until one of the giants continues to rub folks the wrong way.


    But we are most certainly getting off-topic.  Congratulations to Invision on celebrating 20 years.


  4. 1 hour ago, abobader said:

    No, maybe from like 25 years ago, now days linux can be used as desktop and you will not miss anything 🙂


    It has become nearly just as easy as Windows. You can install Linux just as easily and quicker than you install Windows. It is now possible to play games on Steam without knowing how to configure anything. I watch Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, HBO Max, Disney+, Paramount+, Starz, and YouTube with any web browser. In 2021, LibreOffice now has more options than Microsoft Office and allows me to open, edit, save, and print any document made on Windows, Apple, or Linux. I can work from home using Linux, making video calls, and attending meetings.   I also bank online, trade, invest, sell, and buy things while on Linux. Connect devices using "plug and play," WiFi, or Bluetooth. Install and update nearly any app, including the whole OS; without knowing how to use the terminal, just point and click.

    No blue screen of death. No sudden system freezes. No viruses (although you can install an anti-virus if it gives you peace of mind, I still do). No hanging system resources. No sudden reboots. No long waiting load times. It does not matter if you are using the newest computer or a computer 10+ years old; it will run Linux.

    And if, by some random chance, you do install a lousy program, it does not take your whole system with it (unlike Windows). That is the big problem with Microsoft Windows. The countless computers I fixed for family and friends often resulted from something small, trivial, and seemingly unimportant, unintentionally interacting with everything else, causing a world of problems in Microsoft Windows. But not in Linux.

    Linux is so helpful, powerful, flexible, and adaptable most of The Internet, nearly every website you visit and use today is hosted on Linux, including here, Invision. And if you are reading this on an Android phone, Congratulations, you are already using Linux (Android is a modified Linux distribution).

    Lastly, the cost to use and install Linux? $0.00. It is free. No subscription fees. No renewal cost. No activation. It is open-source. Anyone, even YOU (reader, whoever you are), can download and install Linux.

  5. I love it. The new point system ties nicely into a vision I have for one or both of my communities.  I have been using Discuz! (2002) and FluxBB (2008); since the founding of their conception. Both of them have become dated in many ways, and while I have developed them both beyond their functionality, I feel we have reached an impasse. They most certainly work and function, but the development for one of them (FluxBB) has all but nearly stopped, and the other has become more 'hackish' (Discuz! 3.5) as the development has progressed (when it moves).

    Our current business model mimics Reddit, both in the way of ad placement, monthly subscription, and the ability to reward others. Members naturally already receive achievements and points, which I see Invision will have in the upcoming v4.6; this is a beautiful way to encourage engagement while giving the member base a sense of involved reward and recognition.  Additionally, you already have a reaction system in place. What is lacking, and I presume we may need to build out in third-party development, is a method to purchase the reactions to reward others ("x" value allows to "y" number of reactions you can reward others).

    Nevertheless, I am excited and looking forward to the pending release of 4.6

  6. 29 minutes ago, Jordan Invision said:

    I don't believe that's in the works natively at the moment, however I use a theme that has that functionality and it's awesome :] 

    I beg your pardon, as I know this may not be the place to suggest a feature, but since I have your attention, please pass on this suggestion.  If all my Android apps can do it, I would like to think so can the forum (just a thought).

    Respectfully focusing back on the main topic, I agree with your viewpoint.

    It is essential to develop a community with a friendly atmosphere. Nothing truly screams friendly and inviting when people hear the phrases administration or moderation. They are easily associated with words such as 'boss' and 'authority,' along with 'entitled' and 'privilege.' In our current times, these are not viewed necessarily as cheerful and inviting words.

    I recently renamed my administrator title as "caretaker," and the moderators are known as 'peacekeepers.'


  7. Separating yourself away from the role of an administrator is easy. Separating that mindset away from other people's perception of you is not so easy.   

    I, like yourself, once took on the role of administrator very seriously.  I was a wizard at keeping my community function and up to date. Managing the site's software and hardware a 'no-brainer.'  Policing the community when warranted clearly and respectfully, I could do blindfolded.  But as a person, I was always seen as 'the administrator.'

    Having a simple conversation proved problematic. People would always act differently and reply differently when the administrator entered the chat. Think of it a lot like walking into the breakroom and the boss is there. I had never once used my authority to diminish anyone or rise above anyone in a casual conversation or debate. But that did not stop people from being more reserved when the administrator decided to include themselves in the conversation.  Should you disagree with someone in a casual discussion or debate, people did not see "John" disagreeing with them. They saw the administrator and site owner disagreeing with them and picking aside. On some level, it was always seen as more personal.  

    I had started with only a single account on my site. But to further distance me from the role, I made a personal account. This helped a little, but the undertone of my old school members who knew it was me could not be genuinely shaken. As my community grew into hundreds of members, I noticed that never really changed. And as you can imagine, every once in a blue, someone would point out the fact.

    "Bob" has entered the chat. - It may sound silly to you, but my "Bob" account is precisely everything I always wanted. I am doing everything I have always been doing since day one. Nothing about me has changed. Only the perception of my members has changed. Except for the staff, no one knows "Bob" is the site owner and administrator.  People feel comfortable debating and even arguing with "Bob" on occasion.  "Bob" is so well received that he has become a community leader who helps set the community tone. On rare occasions, someone will message the administration suggesting "Bob" be promoted to join the team.

    Having a community means sometimes reading the room.  It means making what changes are necessary and not always trying to conform your members to fit your needs, but sometimes working on yourself to match theirs. 😉

  8. It will take a moment or two to adjust to the new layout. Still, overall anything that people can agree on that improves things is always a benifit. I shall continue to watch the ongoing development and general management from Invision with great interest. Onward and forward, and let's see where the road takes us all together—congratulations on your recent changes.

  9. Some people just want to see the world burn. Either as a whole right away and if not, then at the very least, one person at a time. Some people sustain themselves and define themselves on coinage and the decimation of others. For those "special people," that is what the ban button is for. It is not the cure-all for all your woes you may face running a community, and for the most determined, it may only act as a temporary relief.  That said, I do not believe there is a "magic bullet" (metaphorically speaking) of a universal nature to address all toxicity unilaterally. The best anyone one person can do is manage each person and situation on a case-by-case basis and hope for the best.  

    But I do like your overall belief regarding reaching out to someone personally and trying to make a connection. The only difference I would make is beyond just sending someone a personal message (privately). I would also try to incorporate a fundamental initial olive branch publicly as a means to establish that you're making an effort within your community.  It will not only help define you as a community leader but as a respected peacemaker too.

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