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1 hour ago, tonyv said:

Ah, I get it now. It would be very practical for everyone to just stop driving. But give something like the common cold a scary name and call it a pandemic (very scary), and shutting down the entire world becomes a must.  

You misunderstand my post, it’s purely  around the comparison of statistics with hypothetical example. And where did I mention anything about shutting down the world?

 And please reply without a sarcastic tone. That’ll get you nowhere in substantiating any part of your argument. 

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Just a reminder that we should review this topic in a year's time and let history judge us. China had a fairly low mortality rate once they got in front of it because of many reasons (welding peopl

Some baffling responses here. 🙂  I think some of the responses here simply derive from a concerning pattern in society: shortsightedness. We have a nasty habit of focusing on the NOW without rega

Takes my sister 2 

Have you heard the phrase “flattening the curve lately”? It’s been blasted all over the news and social media platforms. It’s also your answer. It’s still spreading exponentially, which in turn means

I've finally caught up on this thread, and I gotta say... The amount of misinformation and understating being made by grown adults who should know better is tragic.  The extreme level of concern

It’s taken you 2 years to build a PC though. I’d imagine buying ingredients for dinner is at least a multi-week affair. 

Please stay respectful during this time and in this topic, if those of you who continue to ignore our request to remain civil and keep this on topic cannot do it, we may not close this topic, we may j

@Lindy best feature ever!!!   

@tonyv We get the fact you don't believe any of this, you think it's no big deal, however you have stated your opinion over and over, leave it at that and go post in another topic! All you're doing is

As I mentioned earlier in the topic, I think it's a struggle for some to get the big picture of this. Setting aside the "death rate" for a moment - the larger concern is the capacity of the healthcare

Are you threatening me because I don’t agree with your views? Thats a new low.  Report me if I've violated a rule, don't use it to excuse your propaganda. 

We are choosing to keep this topic open just so we don't run the risk of infecting the rest of our community with this discussion, so we'd prefer to isolate it to the one area. Those who still main

Please remember that we do not permit political discussion here. We realize this topic has walked a fine line, but we are trying to leave it open, so stick to the virus and the impact on your lives an

I am going to say this with all the respect in the world to you, but if you are not seeing the issue here in the US, (it's just starting to get ugly, and will only worsen in the next days, weeks and m

Please stop guys and gals, you are being ridiculous. Please be respectful, and if you have nothing nice to say, listen to your mother and don't say anything at all.  Is it really worth being banned ov

Right now everyone is just guessing. We don't know what'll happen tomorrow let alone in a years's time. At the beginning of the swine flu outbreak in 2005 it look like it might be the end of the wo

Well, sore throat, cough, headache, fever... I’m on hold with MDLIVE to see if I should get tested or let it ride out.  The testing places near by triage with checking your temp. No temp, no test. 

People telling you you are wrong and displaying a lack of understanding and/or compassion is not political discussion, just to clarify.

Good afternoon all, we are happy to keep this topic open so all coronavirus discussion can take place in one area,  but we're going to start removing comments that attack other members. Let's try a

I have a friend who works in the medical field and deals with this first-hand and is likely going to be drafted into the covid ward in the UK. She actually sees and deals with all of this first-hand o

At this point anyone trying to downplay the seriousness or blame it on hysteria is willfully ignorant. This is the most significant global event in a generation and it’s going to be much worse before

Don’t flatter yourself. 😉 In order for anyone’s posts here to be beneficial, they either need to be an expert themselves (virologist, doctor, biologist …) or they need to be laymen reporting fact

Well, therein lies the problem with your posts. You are referring to the CDC, which is an accurate US source. You are then cherry picking and distorting the data and misrepresenting what it means, con

Thank you in the first instance for providing this facility Lindy.  In saying that I hope that you don't feel the need to shut down this thread. Why should a few be allowed to spoil it for the re

This from a leading infectious disease expert from UCLA: And this from a policy adviser at the National Institutes of Health: And this: If this doesn't explain the rationale of wh

What a bunch of foolish, misinformed nonsense. You're really just grasping at straws, cherry picking and stating outright lies at this point. Here, I have a new avatar for you to use: P

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Look at the bright side... These are moments you’ll have with your kids that you’ll never forget. Time flies, believe me... Your kids will never forget.  I’ve got a 6 and 10 year old. They will n

I left this discussion ten pages back because of the too and fro of some members attempting to validate their opinions.  I now feel comfortable enough to return and add a few thoughts. No, that

Since the topic is how this virus affects - I am both happy and unhappy. On 03/25/2020 my third grandson was born - everything is OK, but I am unhappy that the various prohibitions do not allow me t

I have a friend who a month ago was telling people it was no worse than the flu and people shouldn't pay it much attention and you're very unlikely to catch it. He has just finished 14 days in isol

Lost a uncle today due to this.

Some random and not-so-random thoughts about coronavirus, crisis, and community: Diversity of opinion is normally welcome in a free and open society, and certainly in forums where it makes for

Hey @Lindy, The first part Yes Sheryll is doing great. I keep pushing and driving her nuts to motivate her in her PT to waste no time to get strong enough to kick my ass. I will give her the chan

We all feel your frustration here @ahc. It's unfortunately a discussion that is never going to end productively. These people won't be convinced of anything. Many of us have spent the last 18 pages tr

x1,000 Sometimes he tells me things that happen that put me in such disbelief. Like a mother and son who came in because he couldn't breathe.  Tested and came back positive, so they tested the mo

Yeah, yeah. You favorite trick/excuse for years, isn’t it?  You make questionable claims. People correct your questionable claims or provide counter-arguments. You claim “I’m bein

265,000 hospitalized, and 12,000 deaths. And we didn't know then, what we know now.  The measures we are taking now make sense.

You realize that the Olympics is the culmination of a huge amount of training and lead up events, right? Nations just don’t roll into the Olympics with a team of people being like “sweet, seems like w

In the end, I think nothing is going to convince some people here. They're too short-sighted and have too big of an ego to understand the complexity of the matter at hand. No matter how much

It’s amazing the bubble you live in. I’m actually sort of envious, to be honest. Watching the world react this way to an unprecedented (in our lives) global event and being able to think “ehn, what a

One of my in-laws' extended family died from COVID-19 today, a man in his 70s. I knew of him but didn't know him personally. I do however know he was otherwise healthy and taken before his time agains

@Makoto I’ll give you the same advice you gave me. It’s not worth engaging.  The amount of gaslighting, denying what was said mere days ago as if this new position was their position all along, r

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do this post. I just couldn’t bring myself to combat the insanity being displayed by these people in this thread. 

It's called making scientific predictions and taking precautions, which all major health organizations and governments agree we should be doing right now. But I'm sure you know better than them a

Today is one month I have spent at home with my two sons (2 and 4 years old). It is hard not to have any free time for myself but I am really proud that I have managed it and we all get well. We are s

The county in which I live.  The State That’s the increase over 2 WEEKS.    Source, Texas Dept of Health. This isn’t going away any time soon. I have a daughter with asthma, i

God speed Invision staff.  ✊ My better half works in a hospital in the bronx and their entire ER is over capacity to the point that they're just shoving them in hallways.  They're out of PPE and

JFC. Quoting Dr Oz. and then spouting off complete nonsense regarding the quality of Italy’s health care system and standard foxnews anti-EU FUD.  We’re never going to agree politically but pleas

@Morgin I know it's frustrating, but it's not worth engaging at this point. These people really aren't worth our time. Let them scream to themselves all they want. They've shown they won't listen

Locally they started converting our two high school gyms into temporary hospitals for the overflow, it's a bit surreal when you see that happening.  30 Miles south of here they are also converting a b

Im from Argentina and yesterday the gov´t anacted a mandatory quarantine for the next 13 days. Here we are very concerned about the situation experienced in Italy (its a country that is culturally ver

I have a friend in the UK in a similar situation @ahc. Seeing the video above helps me get an insight into just what she's going through first-hand, and it's pretty terrifying. The PPE shortage, equip

The fact that COVID numbers are lower than the flu (right now) is because: 1) We're just getting started 2) We've turned out lives upside down to ENSURE it doesn't kill many people. The fact t

https://www.nytimes.com/video/nyregion/100000007052136/coronavirus-elmhurst-hospital-queens.html everyone should watch this. 

I am a defender of 4. God Family Country Porterhouse Steak

Media should stick to reporting without writing “clickbait” headlines and putting “spin” on things. These days you have to watch multiple news sources, left and right...to make an educated decision on

We're all good here. It's certainly helped that the weather has been fantastic. I couldn't imagine going through this in the depths of winter, when it's dark at 3pm and raining constantly. Let's hope

I am very sorry to say this, but you are a very selfish person. What about the other people who you might infect with your carelessness and selfish attitude? People who are in the risk group. Have you

The one thing that you can be assured about this pandemic and the measures being taken and the situation that everyone is finding themselves in, is that this will bring out both the best and worst in

One of the main reasons "everything is closing" isn't to prevent the disease from spreading (we're past that point), it's to slow down the speed at which it spreads, so that the healthcare infrastruct

After staying at home for over 2 weeks, my cooking has greatly improved than ever.

I am not sure I speak the same language as they do. They say many words that belong to my language but all those words do not make any sense when put together 

Honestly, I ignore the news, I ignore social media, I ignore any topics that are negative. I do this primarily because of a medical condition and the impact of its treatment. Unfortunately, I can’t go

That "40 mutations" article is a little misleading. Scientists are starting to track the DNA from the virus to try and work out how it spread, to learn how to stop it in the future. All viruses mutate

You plumb new depths with that one

Also, nobody seems to care about all of the businesses that will now have to close up for good due to lost revenue. That is why it's important to be sure before taking drastic measures. I bet the deat

I've led a really varied life in my time.  20 years in retail dealing with customers, face-to-face.  10 years follow-up in Video Rental retailing as shop manager, training manager, area manager and th

That way of thinking was here as well, Germany, but it changed soon after peope who had it the hard way told their stories.

Regardless of if the world is reacting in the right way or not, this is certainly going to be a new kind of shock to the economy. Having the whole world massively slow productivity is a pretty wild th

I think you are missing the point my friend. Time may indeed prove that everything you've said on the subject was right. But being, with the benefit of hindsight, right or not, is not helpful to those

*Sets heating to 40*

In response to events being cancelled - no one (not even the best experts in the field) can predict an unknown.  Events require a lot of preparation and marketing and no organiser is going to spend va

No I think it’s quite apparent your normal views place your own needs and desires squarely on top, so I’m not surprised you don’t mind economic socialism when it might directly benefit you. 

All I know is I am averaging about 2 emails per hour (from almost every company I've ever done business with) where the CEO is writing a very serious note that basically amounts to them telling me to

Jesus guy...you sure do spit social politics like a democrat. H1N1 is 100x less deadly. Go back to twitter... or try some math. 

I’ve got to say, the pandemic hasn’t hit my families daily life hardly at all. We already home schooled, I already have a home office that can be closed off, and having not been able to drive until ve

Boy how convenient for you Midnight. The way you word it, no matter what happens, you'll always be right!

Interesting topic and one which I have going on in a few of my forums as well. Its a rough time all over the world, and one thing for sure is that it spreads fast. I live about 60 miles north of New Y

Another one of those people huh! US political expert living in another country and knows it all. Trump stopped all Chinese flights in when this first started, someone saying late to the game just has

The problem here, as it is now, is that those who are asymptomatic can spread the virus without realising it - this is why a more accurate test is required and although many agree that it is likely th

I think this sums up everything people need to know about your critical thinking skills and general understanding of information filtering. 

In Bulgaria, it is still calm in Bulgaria - only 7 infected and one elderly woman is already dead ... What is interesting now is a study by a Bulgarian patent lawyer - here is the shocking news:

off @Morginplease put some avatar picture- that these letters are confusing. I'm sorry. 😉

you should be more worried about the flu, But that's old and the governments can't hype it up like they can something new

Reviewing this topic in a years time will be interesting. The fun thing is that I hope every single day that it’s media hype, no worse than the flu and will vanish quickly.

I hope they at least sanitize the medal before they give it to me.

yep, and surprised that Flat Earth hasn't yet been mentioned in this topic.

I can't answer your question on a new virus other than to say that any new virus with a high transmission rate and can cause fatalities will have to be looked at when/if it occurs.  We have lived with

Look what I made for my BFs Paranoia! (I know that masks do not protect you from getting the coronavirus however it is a placebo for my BF for the coming weeks where the Coronavirus is said to be prog

I'm clearly not happy, myself. lol. Mainly because it's affecting my fav part of the year... ncaa tournament, fantasy baseball drafts, and soon a yearly music festival I go to. At least the ncaa

Truck Drivers are essential.  Without them food and much needed supply delivery would be impossible. They are, in many ways, the lifeblood of our society that ensure all other essential services have

Practice social distancing. No touching.

This is why the US and UK governments have stepped in and starting printing money. However, there is always going to be a point where you need to balance the deaths from COVID (hundreds of thousand

Has it affected me? Yes and no. Many here know I'm in that age group which is "at risk". (I'll be 65 in 2 months.) Since I live alone and work from home, and have no one that I have to care for o

Hi Matt, social distancing might be the better wording? "The sun's rays provide warmth and light that enhance your general feeling of well-being and stimulate blood circulation. Some UV radiation

Just remember, the virus doesn’t care if you believe in it or not.     

Things here are almost back to normal here (Northern California) everything is opening up again, schools and churches should get the green light in another month or so. Other than that, it's pretty mu

As with any airborne virus it is always going to be nigh on impossible to contain it.  So people are going to get infected and the vast majority will survive, the unlucky ones will be those with under

Hilarious. Glad you find a global viral pandemic so funny. 

oh relax, a bit of levity never hurt anyone. A little mirth is a welcome virtue.

The closing of borders, cancelling events, etc is designed only to slow the virus down. If not done, medical facilities would not have the capacity to treat everyone. Closing things down lowers the pe

How unfortunate that an event might be cancelled because only certain people can die from it. These must be tough times. Stay strong.

Not according to WHO. I cannot not follow the thread further, as I have to create an "emergency plan": two active small children that stay at home at least for five weeks while indoor playgrounds

When you say things like this, it’s very hard to not be antagonistic with you. This thread is literally full of sources providing you this information. You are choosing to remain willfully ignorant by

Yes, I leave in Germany. As I have written above, single parents had to abandon their jobs often unpaid, children from poor families do not become their free meal any more, there is no social control

You will most likely be fine if you caught it. But how many parents do you see that are obese? That are diabetic? That take blood pressure medication? That have crohns disease and other conditions tha

I read this too. The early tests were only 70% accurate so they think they got a false positive after the infection. Another theory is that the virus lays dormant and can be reactivated. Eithe

Any untested vaccine has the potential to make the situation worse - that's why testing is rigorous and thorough otherwise any drug that is unleashed into the wild can cause untold damage.  So whilst

I recall a British man living in Wuhan sharing his experiences. He was one of the first cases to catch it, and he developed symptoms on November 25. It takes 10-14 days to get to that place, so he cau

A lot of these measures were likely taken due to public pressure. There are rumblings in London that the UK government did not want to impose a lockdown at all. They ended up bowing to public and m

It’s really a shame that you won’t stop with the “absolutes”. It’s so unnecessary, potentially harmful (it can literally kill people in the current situation), and doesn’t even help your case. Because

Governments take the advice of their experts at the time - even if these stats bear out there was no way to know this 'at the time'.  There is a pattern emerging and it is based on those countries who

Every day I read different studies, assumptions, suggestions. A few days ago I read about a South Korean study where they said the virus can activate by itself again after a successful healing. Meanwh

We all administer our sites here - and each one of us is confronted with such a relationship between users every day - and decides fates, as the case may be. This site should unite us - not make us

It would be even better if streams weren’t bumped when ignored members post....That would be beautiful. 😆

I see this conversation has hit the political arena again which since this was brought down I suggest everyone stick to @Lindy strict rules and the topic at hand. The title of the topic is this Has th

Not at all, matter of fact everything was already destroyed once because of our corruption, if this virus sets the world back 20 years that is a good thing as we were on the fast track of repeating th

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ This is basically where I was going with sustainable usage of our world medical facilities. Without quarantine the curv

Thoughts and prayers for you and your mother Matt and I hope that she avoid this insidious virus; it must be especially worrying for you.  I was a full-time carer for my own mother for nigh on 10 year

As. mentioned earlier in this thread, almost every national government has a different set of experts and almost all, if you believe the politicians, have come up with different recommendations. So fo

They are going to extend the lockdown here for 2 more weeks and they are strongly recommending that we wear face masks when we go out. On the bright side we heard that most shops will be opened, inclu

Yes, let’s compare a pandemic with a completely irrelevant statistic. People can abstain from being in a motor vehicle, immunity? People have zero chance of immunity against a pandemic.  ANY prem

Paranoia reigns supreme and the media feeds doom and gloom like you would feed sheep; and people are so self centred (me first, me last, me centre, me always) that this virus has been more than supers

Apparently this was revised in the latest news bulletins to 12 months, perhaps longer.  As to what this actually means in real terms, i.e. how long the Government can keep on dishing out the cash for

I think that those countries had some experience from SARS and MERS and were better prepared to handle a new pandemic. I think we (at least in the UK and US) just believed it'd blow over by the time i

Some people thought eating Tide Pods was cool too... The social spreading of nonsense is insane. That said, the ice bucket challenge was good, it was for a good cause. On a positive note, I only

I can't say I have ever been happy someone has the Flu, but in this case I'm very happy to hear this, get well! that's great news!  

I think we've moved past the flu v covid comparisons now. We're in the woods now. I think a lot of people shared things like that to try and calm ourselves in the beginning. As for exit strategies,

Some experts had to tell people it's not true that blowing hot air up your nose with a hairdryer will kill the virus and can be dangerous..... because people were seriously doing that.

I have no idea why you wish to pursue an avenue which has been proven - a lot of governments were caught with their pants down, we get it; admitting it doesn't give an implied transparency when that t

Every cloud

Oh of course, if you're permitted to exercise outside, definitely do that. Just stay away from others!

Everything opens here, shops, restaurants, entertainment parks, zoo's. The borders will soon open, so that people can journey in July. However there is still no kindergarten. The children are still in

I don't think they are there yet. At the bottom of the article, (UK version - see below, can't see the world version) they mention printing money may be necessary if DCM doesn't have an appetite for m

Our governor extended the "lockdown" (Our area isn't in full-on lockdown like some of the more effected cities) until mid-may.  I'm frustrated because I don't have the luxury of working from home, so

While not untrue, it is easily misleading people. Of course more people had it and more testing would reduce the death rate, but the very same is true for the flu as well. We also don’t test everyone 

That's questionable. Hendrik Streeck, Professor and Director of the Institute of Virology and German Center of HIV & AIDS and his team did testing of different surfaces in heavily infected familie

That corona is not like the flu and it is a deadly virus, is a given. But the mortality rate of coronavirus is much lower than that. Those stats are based on actually tested persons, but how many

The earlier tests were about 70% reliable, so it is agreed that it is likely that someone just got a false negative. Most scientists agree that there will be some immunity (between 6 months and 18

Sorry for your loss  

This is true, a lot of information coming out is based on supposition on the results they have so far, but that information is far from complete and needs more investigation. I believe that no one is

Just think - how much does life cost? What is the point of economics if life is missing? What will they say about their "deaths" with a lot of dollars in their pockets - will they be happy? Stay

Do you mean, the living people who are losing their jobs, their business, their mental health right now? They should make economy... Well, if politics continues to ruin economy the way the do it right

Honestly, I am not sure that total economy ruin is better than collapse of the health system. I am not sure we gain a lot trying everything to prevent 15% of mortality for 80+ years and destroying the

If you're interested, take a read of this. It was written in 2007 and warns of the next pandemic, and digs into the numbers of the 1918 pandemic.    COVID is more contagious than the 1918 flu (

There is definitely a lot of research still to do and the inaccurate tests are not helping to model the progression of this virus, which is why in some terms that I am happy that our Government is not

I read that too. There's a few theories, but one that seems to be the most likely is that some people with weaker immune systems just put the virus into dormancy and it eventually comes back for them.

Funny how the start of this thread was "This is an overreaction" and "The flu kills more people but isn't buzzy enough" The season flu has a mortality rate of 0.1% annually. The coronavirus was pro

I believe the answer to this is "as long as it takes" - there is no quick fix and plans may have to be changed as time marches onward depending on how the pandemic develops. I believe that even our Go

You.. do realize the number of cases are still going to rise, right? Do you not understand why it takes time for active measures to take an impact? Do you not understand what "flattening the curve" me

No one here is fear mongering. Do "everyone" here a favor and get over yourself, because nobody here minus Midnight and tonyv have been on your side throughout this entire debacle. Your th

I found the site where I read about it - it's a Russian development. The site is in Russian. http://katushki-mishina.ru/ You can also find a diagram of this here. http://energodar.net/z

It has just been confirmed in the last few minutes that in the UK the lockdown will continue for another three weeks, after that it will depend on the scientific and medical science determinations as

It's not a picture of the virus you are painting with all this stuff, it's a picture of your mind.  And as I and others have pointed out to you and your cohorts in this thread, that's a very different

Why this is so different with corona? Three main reasons: 1) It's over three times as infectious as flu. If you had flu, you would likely give it to one other person. With COVID-19, you will like

Hey, I didn't mean to offend. Just saying that posting a lot of stuff doesn't make you right even if you believe what you've posted. I think what we believe to be true now with regards the virus,

When isn't Facebook full of drama and politics? I deleted my account on there years ago.

In the midst of all the misery that this pandemic is causing for people all over the world, we need some inspirational stories to remind us who we are and to be humbled by some of those in our societi

This interactive display shows this very clearly https://www.theguardian.com/world/datablog/ng-interactive/2020/apr/22/see-how-coronavirus-can-spread-through-a-population-and-how-countries-flatte

“On Sunday, Howard-Browne defended his decision to keep the church open in a video posted to his YouTube channel, claiming the building had the technology to eradicate any virus. "We brought in 1

Dreadful and shocking news from across Europe that in some countries, upto 50% of deaths have been in care homes. As you imply,  the UK on the other hand has not yet released official care home figure

I'm so sorry to hear that @-RAW- ❤️ I send my love.

This curve is kind of disturbing. Seems like it could last for a long time. I think the UK discussion that we could have a certificate that we are immune (after we have had the virus), might

Japan said that over 2 weeks ago. But no one has been listening. They’ve been recommending to everyone to isolate for 28 days! Once again, Japan do it properly.

This is hardly a consolation for you - but at least we can pray that your loss have found a better place than this world. Condolences and be strong in these bad days.

According to this article, the coronavirus is dying at a much more rapid pace just from exposure to higher temperatures. Hopefully it is true. https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/04/23/us/polit

Interesting thesis: https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

I just heard some good news now. Europe could be close to herd immunity from coronavirus. According to some studies made in Gangelt, that is the city here which was Germany 's first big coronavirus ou

Just a very quick addition - our Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, was rushed into intensive care last night as his corona virus symptoms worsened and they feared they may needed to ventilate him.  This

I’m in the NYC metro area, which now has more cases than any country in the world from what I understand. I know people who have it and are ok and some that died, it’s not pretty. It’s all over the pl

We have a WINNER!! 👍🏐

That is the truth alright - history will be the decider.  I should have said 'most everyone' rather than everyone.  There are always exceptions and if we have to learn anything then these are the ones

There are now reports that a death due to the virus can be traced back to as early as Feb 6 in California, which is three weeks earlier than the previously-believed first U.S. death of Feb 26 in Washi

is that not Dodge ball?

Appreciate the positive message here. It looks like you're ahead of the curve in finding a new normal. I'll look it up, thanks. Ultimately, I try and read both sides to get a full picture. Ther

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52192604 Boris in the ICU. Oh man. That’s awful - would be incredibly destabilizing given everything going on in the UK over the last few years to lose a PM to Covid

"Chinese state media suggests" tells me everything I need to know.

How are things over there? A neighbour has a son who is living over there currently for work and he indicates that the government has a good handle on it; certainly better than here in the UK!

The "top Israeli prof" article makes almost no sense.   This is proven incorrect.  Slowing the spread and flattening the curve are all about ensuring that hospitals do not get overwhelmed.

On todays press-briefing in Norway they say that R is around 0.7 - They will try to keep it below 1 so it is under control.  So far 74 died in this country. Sweden have a different approach, and

I've just got back from my daily walk with my wife and pooch. We live in the country surrounded by fields and have been enjoying the saintly weather and clear air. Today we chose a route that involved

The person who released this is an established scientist. But I know what you mean. I did not dare to get my hopes up because there is a lot of contradictory news out there. 

From the beginning of man this was, to the end it shall stay. As mere mortals we are enshrined in this. We must learn to deal with it, it will never leave us my good friend. Keep the faith Adlago, you

Yes, nobody knows anything except we have to stay home for uncertain period of time. If they say, stay for 4 weeks - it is OK. The companies can calculate. The people can be patient. If they say, stay

A lot of good cooperation going on at the moment, and the latest news that Apple and Google will cooperate to fight this battle would be good news for all. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-522

I've just heard that some scientists have discovered that the virus lives on past the assumed 7 days of potentially being able to infect others, moving up to as much as 30 days.  It's early days and a

That is a tragic loss for you and your family, and you have my most heartfelt sympathies.  Any loss is terrible at any time, but to be taken by this insidious virus is cruel.

When Bill Gates say 'stop', Corona will stopping... Wait Gates 😉

I think we need more data on how much of the population is potentially immune.  The antibody tests haven't proved reliable, so we're still looking for developments there. If we could test say 10

Where do you habe this information from? Our government has 5 weeks now and it should be prolonged. Nobody here can say, how long it will last. I agree that a month is not so much. But we have undefin

@Kjell Iver Johansen Thank you for your good wishes for our PM, Boris Johnson.  It has been very worrying for a lot of people to see how this virus has affected him, but he is a fighter and will hopef

Sorry, I just find many of these funny. Hopefully it lightens the topic.    BONUS points if you can figure out what movie that Chuck Norris picture is from. 

Sonya, thank you. I think you see where I was going with this. The flu kills large numbers every season, twice a year, but do we stop life and destroy everything over it for a undetermined amount of t

That is very good news Matt. I really hope that this will be the case. My father emailed me a link today where the top man of Netherlands National Institute for Public Health said that people who

Here they will open kindergardens and schools grade 1-4 and some universities 2 weeks from now - around 20-27 th april. They will slowly open up. The area I live in are in phase one still, but in Oslo

Sorry about your lost.

is that a long winded way of saying that the video I watched on youtube blaming the virus on 5g is bollocks? 😁

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

We need data to back up strategy. Ideally the "immunity" tests. Some small scale testing has been done in the USA, one test on people donating blood, and another in Santa Clara. Both showed much hi

Stay away from Europe. It's starting to get bad here in the UK. But if I was you I'd stay put until this is all under control.

Thank you guys, yes, the world is chaos - but more importantly, to be saved as seekers and able, and why not arguing, but for software solutions - it makes sense to see and talk here. Yes, the world

You are wrong. There were 8,098 reported cases of SARs (worldwide) and 774 deaths. So far there have been 190,000 cases of the Coronavirus and 7,894 deaths. Ebola killed 11,310 people over the span of

I do wish you well and best of luck with all of it. Hang in there ...

If you're stuck at home just enjoy this little video, I promise, if you're a car person it'll make you feel better! My yesterday travels out and about 😄 I will say, attendance was down from last year,

We have stores that are normally open 24 hours a day closing at night so they can restock and clean. I haven't heard of any staying closed yet. My county finally closed our schools due to the vir

Yep! 😄 

Hell if was my hat it would be my new avatar.

If any one member of my surviving family members gets this it would be fatal. I'm checking out of chit-sociopath-chat!  (mercy reigns supreme because if justice did you'd be fuct)

^ exactly, but some people act like total numbers don't matter... obviously the big picture means total numbers are what matter, not shut down all living. Btw, I was shooting my free throws insan

I disagree. Sarcasm is effective. And I don't need much of an argument with any of it. Throughout this entire topic it has not been difficult to demonstrate that this entire pandemic scare is nonsense

Exactly. 😥

Exactly. The world would have never even lasted this long if people had that mentality in the past… that if anything has a chance of death then everyone should stay home and never go anywhere the rest

Italy and other places have already shown how ineffective anything is at slowing it much, so if it does suddenly stop it will be because it was already going to. Other than the steps which everyone wo

so now we're back to using totals instead of percentages? when I said the actual totals mattered most, people said only the percentages do.  So if we're using totals, the regular flu has killed far mo

...and that was the last time anyone ever heard from @tonyv

One article in that link Tony rings true and stands out in my opinion. This is what I've been saying all along and the numbers where I live prove that beyond a shadow of doubt.  

from here    

yeah a lot of people are saying "it will end up with numbers worse than such and such", which is total speculation and then turn right around and tell others they are just guessing. Everyone is guessi

Businesses going to be gone forever, college athletes missing their whole seasons, college graduations canceled (a gymnast from ucla was talking about that on twitter), etc... and people like "oh well

Someone must be needing some attention and feeling low in self esteem to need to brag about who he has on ignore. 🙂 Notice every post where someone made a personal insult has been from the side that f

Almost everything related to all of this has people with extreme views on both sides, too. For instance the possible plan of the govt sending people checks. Some love the idea and some hate it. I don'

I can agree on that! At the same time I will give credit to the teachers here that is "all in" on electronic learning on the kids ipads, and that is working extremely well. I guess that this could be

There's no shortage of division on either "side "in general. Your post below regarding stimulus packages is a great example. You can be on either side of that, no problem. When you begin disagreeing w

I don't have all the answers and I try not to pretend that I do. The cancellations are basically forced social distancing because, as mentioned before, some people just don't take it seriously enough.

Well, well, @Aiwa I was supposed to be on your ignore list years ago, if it wasn't for the fact someone told me you posted I would of never known, you've been on my ignore list for several years

It's starting to cause trouble with obtaining groceries. some people in the UK are panic buying and others are just acting selfish/greedy. That said, it's not something I believe will impact my f

Personally, I don't think the topic has run its course, since it's such a fluid situation where things change each day. up to IPS there, but at least it's getting some active posting and people should

No one could have planned for this virus - our PM is now asking companies who make other products to make an effort to produce ventilators.  Also, the advice to stay at home and distance socialising i

😄 Cause they know where the gravy's at 😄 

Very interesting perspective. Over the years I have taken note of survivalism, have considered it, and leaned strongly toward it, but my thinking has changed. Do I even want to live in a world like th

Not affected my life no. But my forums have exploded in activity. 

@Sonya* you come up with an idea for a new business - a young rental grandfather who loves children and mothers ...😀

No and how ridiculous that the ncaa tournament won't allow fans, colleges closing, etc... over something that China said has already peaked and worldwide death total well under a fourth of the typical

The media loves to cause panic. The more panic the better their ratings and the more money they get from advertisers because they know people are watching. @TheJackal84 hit it right on the head you ne

https://patents.justia.com/inventor/sarah-keep

I hope not. And I am soon drafting my expensive fantasy baseball teams. I assume for mlb they'd just put off the season start some, though. in fact that could be a good thing for fantasy players since

Everyone should read this article, specially anyone who believes this Coronavirus was started in a lab somewhere https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/12/what-coronavirus-covid-19-start-grow-peak/

I agree with this completely - most news reported is bad news, if there is anything good to report it's generally in the last few minutes of the bulletin. Seriously, the self quarantine period

Yup that's what it is - that's why is never ceases to amaze me of the mentality of some people.  There was even a report of two women fighting over the last pack of toilet rolls; how low can they go? 

The flu has way more people that contract it in a single year in the US than the coronavirus has of recorded cases currently worldwide. So yes the death rate may be a higher but look at the statistics

Exactly, and them being unsure if it "could" become worse isn't enough excuse to upend businesses and cost people tons of money by canceling things or they'd have to shut down all these businesses eve

Insisting on pushing a fundamentally flawed argument doesn't make you right, but since you are so set on it I'll let it go. Enjoy your doom and gloom. 😉 

Why not get into online training - now I have a conversation with my son, my granddaughter is first grade and she will train on an online video channel Monday with her teacher ... And my son will wo

I'm also the age of suspected coronavirus dead, but I don't have panic at all - so don't think of retirement but of young grandmothers ...🤣    

It's the percentage of COVID cases that turn serious and require hospitalization. Swine Flu did not present that risk, or at least the risk of serious complications was much lower.

I better hurry up and find a gf if everything's going to be canceled and people forced to stay in side all the time... Seriously, even though the virus is not good, something with a 97% survival rate

Just look at this hot topic! This is exactly what we need for the "forums revival" everyone is always saying that is needed. 👍 I'll take another

eh how is it his fault when the US has less cases than most places?

I just learned about this amazing technique! All this time I thought I was supposed to touch public door knobs and then lick my fingers!... Wow, was I wrong.

TGIF ... (the 13th!)

Edit: No point engaging with this. 

I certainly agree with this statement, as long as everyone all over does their part and quarantines we can get a grip on the outcome better than we would of with Swine or any other virus. never before

A grocery store not too far from where I live.    

You must not be American either or you'd know what he said was true! Sometimes truth hurts!

Nobody's gonna use a nuke, lol. I don't hate Europe, I'm of European descent. They just talk a lot of faeces, Guess what? We in America don't have to do what they say or care what they think. B

Extra butter on mine and how about a large Coke as well...

London is getting nervous. Folks are out in force in supermarkets piling as much as they can in their baskets. And in the same breath complaining about all the others doing the stockpiling. On the oth

I see trump tested negative. That reminds me, though, of yet ANOTHER reason why testing everyone is a waste of time... the experts themselves warn that just because you test negative one day doesn't m

^^^ This, more than anything else.  This is a global issue and lives and livelihoods are both at risk because of this pandemic.  Politicians and media outlets, regardless of their viewpoints, need to

Good luck Aiwa. I live in a "town" with 7000 people and most shops is shut down for a week now - and more to come. They have tested 61 people here, but still none has the virus around here, and t

Nah, he agrees with me. Maybe you should just tone down the theatrics.

That is what's so weird is you'd think with so many staying home, people would be doing more and more online. But most fantasy baseball leagues aren't filling, forums don't seem more active, this girl

Hey Matt, I think you'll like a read here https://www.scripps.edu/ Scripps research is used by the CDC and is a very renown organization that does work on the exact reference you are making too. Acc

The virus is part of the coronavirus family, The virus itself is called SARSCoV2 and the disease it causes is called COVID-19. https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/tech

The presentation and narration of this video is obviously again a political NY Times liberal hit piece as usual but let's put that to the side. The President or federal Gov't is not responsible for

The IPS ignore feature works really good as long as no one replies to the people you are ignoring.

Thanks, needed to hear that. It’s just depressing to the core to know people are out there acting so selfishly and completely lacking any sort of ability to see the forest for the trees here, and in d

Morgin, you're all right. But this is a discussion forum, where it's okay to have differences of opinion. It's not social media where you flock to and pile on for another round of mom shaming. 

Well Here we have a plus side. My wife came home from a Knee surgery. Due to the extent of her cancer the replacement started just below her hip to approximately 8 inches below the knee... The plus si

Oh my goodness, Woods - this kind of demonstrates the need for kindness now more than ever, doesn't it? We don't know what others are enduring. I'm glad your wife's surgery was successful and I hope t

Not really missing much, some people are just insanely stupid, vile beings. Same types of people who opened and licked ice cream containers in a grocery store just for a bit of clout. See the vid

Hopefully the one coughing on groceries ends up having to pay for all of them. on a virus note, didn't someone say over 40% of the infected are hospitalized? It's actually 4%. Four. And that is t

Well, that's good. Maybe it's just a lull on mine. Not sweating it -- I don't do it for money, it's a labor of love -- I'm just noticing it.

Oh Tony. How I’d love to live in your bubble. Deny what scares you, ignore what is stalking you from the shadows and singing songs out of tune with the world.

I was outside in the garage today working on one of my hot rods and I heard what I thought was the ice-cream truck bells that normally sell ice-cream out of their van to kids etc... I thought that was

NYC FRONT LINES DOCTOR EXPLAINS HOW EASY IT IS TO NOT GET INFECTED AND STOP THE SPREAD OF COVID-19 We can also take note here of many other things this doctor has to say including the effects, sever

Tony, as I said before and no one listened, the blame doesn't fall onto the President or Federal Gov't, the blame goes directly to the states all the way down to local gov't where the USA is concerned

They finally had a test site here and then it had to shut down because of severe weather watches. The media had a story about a former football player dying, but what you want to bet multiple for

I see 1 person from my county died and their gender, name, age, etc... weren't released. it's so important to have up to date info, yet they then hide details like that. And like I said before, ESPECI

So climate change is a myth, racism doesn't exist, and covid-19 is a government conspiracy. Got it. I wonder what it's like being the only sane person in the world.

Makoto, you're all right as far as I'm concerned. But ease up on the tinfoil, there's no deadly virus coming to get you. 

Following CDC recommendations does not make me paranoid. Avoiding unnecessary public outings, frequent hand washing, and social distancing does not make you a tin foil hat wearer. It's just

LOL okay, okay, you're right...about everything! Now, please click Thanks and go off to do your part. 

Did you really have to google what tl;dr meant? Maybe I should have stuck with ok boomer.

Hey guys, aren't you tired of arguing about this virus? Leave it to the doctors and do what your mind decides. Is there anything stopping you from doing what you are best at? The software that makes

I work from home myself and get most things delivered by default, so, not a huge impact for me personally. I'm used to living most of my life indoors, haha. Only thing is I can't go out and see m

Yes, absolutely true and I have no other opinion. In my post, I talk about drug tests for malaria - which have a good effect in treating corona-infected . Even if a vaccine for the corona virus is

I agree, but one thing about some countries, maybe Italy and Spain, is that they have a higher antibiotic resistence in their population than we have in other countries. It might be the mix of Korona,

No, that’s not political. It’s just straight up idiocy. 

Almost every post by Morgin is antagonistic, while most everyone else is behaving.         Also, the irony on the politics is it started with anti-right comments, but t

Exactly. If someone nonpolitical were to report a political post, that's all cool, but it's usually people who posted political opinions themselves and just don't like others having differing opinions

Well, that's good Aiwa just has the flu, I guess. if you have to get one or the other, I'd still pick flu, since "probably" the death rate for it would be lower than corona virus. Still hard to tell,

I already have cabin fever from having everyone in my house home all day every day. BF is working from home. Schools are closed. I'm still looking for a job (which now seems impossible

My wife put me in my ‘man cave’ for 4 days. A 13x15 room has been my life, talk about cabin fever... I’ve got 3 high risk people in my house, so until I got a diagnosis from a teledoc they were freake

Don't forget to try some of your local shops too, we've found that they have things that supermarkets may not.

Alright @DesignzShop, I did my best. You aren't going to be convinced and prefer to live in an alternate reality from the rest of us, so I'll leave this alone. I hope you and your family good health a

Well, it's happened; last night our PM addressed the nation in the UK in a Televised broadcast and this is an outline of what he said: You can watch it here if you can: https://www.bbc.co.uk/ne

I don't think anybody here is claiming to be able to see the future. But they can see the present, and given what we see happening now in Italy, and might see in Spain and the UK, there is no precauti

This is the scenario that I have been fearing: As the death toll continues to rise in the UK the idiots are running wild: People still grouping together - many of them stating "I'm not sic

May I make a suggestion?  Everyone put on their big boy, or girl, panties and talk about the topic itself.  Has the Coronavirus effected your life? Olympics/ events being cancelled, that’s

Corona leaders before 1 hour

That check is the one thing I go against my normal views on because I have spent too much on fantasy games. lol. And check out this awesome luck.... on one team I already drafted I took the guy who is

edit: not getting sucked in other than to say that post is ironic, a faulty comparison, and another attempt to get political, which mine wasn't...

There's a big jackpot on Euromillions this Friday, send me the winning numbers will you and if you do I promise to spend it all on loo roll and will of course send you a couple of rolls for your troub

This is because hospitals are overrun and can't keep up with the influx of patients right now, and we need to avoid the risk of spreading the virus whenever possible, and people should only go in when

I have a friend in the UK who works as a nurse and is dealing with this first hand and is almost dying from the stress alone, so go and shove your nonsense. Just because this hasn't spread to the poin

It IS happening in major cities like New York and in places like the U.K., I said it just might not be happening in more RURAL areas yet. Maybe learn to read through things a bit better before yo

that's what happens when you look like a fool, you call names. I expect that from you however.

People who call the virus covid 19 are annoying af . This is affecting me greatly right now .

What should it be called Mark? Just curious, I might agree with you! 😄  I am 52 you know 😄 

😂 I don’t even know tbh it just sounds wrong to me 

Another interesting article where french doctors say that coronavirus may have been in Europe since NOVEMBER. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8373559/Coronavirus-Europe-NOVEMBER.html?ito

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25 minutes ago, Aiwa said:

 And please reply without a sarcastic tone. That’ll get you nowhere in substantiating any part of your argument.

I disagree. Sarcasm is effective. And I don't need much of an argument with any of it. Throughout this entire topic it has not been difficult to demonstrate that this entire pandemic scare is nonsense. 

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This is just the tip of the iceberg, because once a business goes out of business the likelihood of it starting up again is pretty small.  Virgin airways are telling staff that they will have to take eight weeks unpaid leave; how are these people going to pay rent/mortgages and feed their families and pay utility bills, etc.  

Exactly. 😥

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5 hours ago, tonyv said:

I disagree. Sarcasm is effective. And I don't need much of an argument with any of it. Throughout this entire topic it has not been difficult to demonstrate that this entire pandemic scare is nonsense. 

It’s amazing the bubble you live in. I’m actually sort of envious, to be honest. Watching the world react this way to an unprecedented (in our lives) global event and being able to think “ehn, what a bunch of idiots” is truly an interesting approach to life.

My favourite part is that if this reaction is effective and doesn’t allow this virus to peak the way everyone is worried, you’ll be in here gloating about how you were right and everyone else was stupid. And personally, if that’s the outcome, I will be ecstatic. 

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10 hours ago, tonyv said:

Ah, I get it now. It would be very practical for everyone to just stop driving. But give something like the common cold a scary name and call it a pandemic (very scary), and shutting down the entire world becomes a must.  

Exactly. The world would have never even lasted this long if people had that mentality in the past… that if anything has a chance of death then everyone should stay home and never go anywhere the rest of their lives.

ps I think I just finally saw 2 people at the grocery store walking around with masks on.

8 hours ago, Aiwa said:

You misunderstand my post, it’s purely  around the comparison of statistics with hypothetical example. And where did I mention anything about shutting down the world?

 And please reply without a sarcastic tone. That’ll get you nowhere in substantiating any part of your argument. 

Everyone is basing their claims of what will happen with this virus on hypothetical examples, as nobody knows. Again, ebola and sars has a MUCH greater death rate and nothing shut down. The flu every single year kills at least fifteen times what has died in the US from this virus currently. And the car fatalities isn't an irrelevant comparison because we know driving will cause way more deaths, but people aren't forced to stop driving. Would be very surprising if the virus doesn't do like the flu does and taper almost totally out any week now.

if people had gone to events, nobody is forcing others to then go around those same people if they get infected, so if someone is so worried, they can isolate and not get it.

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3 hours ago, Morgin said:

It’s amazing the bubble you live in. I’m actually sort of envious, to be honest. Watching the world react this way to an unprecedented (in our lives) global event and being able to think “ehn, what a bunch of idiots” is truly an interesting approach to life.

My favourite part is that if this reaction is effective and doesn’t allow this virus to peak the way everyone is worried, you’ll be in here gloating about how you were right and everyone else was stupid. And personally, if that’s the outcome, I will be ecstatic. 

Italy and other places have already shown how ineffective anything is at slowing it much, so if it does suddenly stop it will be because it was already going to. Other than the steps which everyone would use with any virus.... everyone is already supposed to stay home if they are sick.

Also, nobody is saying it's good that it's killing people, but only that other viruses do as well and the real death rate is probably around 1%, given how many people may have it and not have symptoms.

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2 hours ago, Midnight Modding said:

Again, ebola and sars has a MUCH greater death rate and nothing shut down.

You are wrong. There were 8,098 reported cases of SARs (worldwide) and 774 deaths. So far there have been 190,000 cases of the Coronavirus and 7,894 deaths. Ebola killed 11,310 people over the span of two years, the Coronavirus will surpass that number very soon.

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12 minutes ago, PaulKet said:

You are wrong. There were 8,098 reported cases of SARs (worldwide) and 774 deaths. So far there have been 190,000 cases of the Coronavirus and 7,894 deaths. Ebola killed 11,310 people over the span of two years, the Coronavirus will surpass that number very soon.

so now we're back to using totals instead of percentages? when I said the actual totals mattered most, people said only the percentages do.  So if we're using totals, the regular flu has killed far more this year and every year. And like I asked earlier, are we supposed to neve rhave businesses again if the virus is as bad every year from now on?

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And like I asked earlier, are we supposed to neve rhave businesses again if the virus is as bad every year from now on?

In the '70s & '80s, before the internet, we wouldn't have even known about these purported deaths. Life would have simply gone on. Tonight might've been bowling night. 

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Mortality rates vs the amount of people who get it are what's important. THAT's what matters here. What are MY chances of dying if "I"get it!

You can't compare SARS or MERS to Corona just because of the spread area and the areas those were mostly contained too. Also Look both of them up and see who was mostly effected.

Influenza A and B are better comparison models. Corona in the USA is still behind on the influenza A and B numbers. Maybe they will catch up, maybe they wont. I can tell you this, in my area specifically here in the USA I can tell you Corona is in extremely low numbers so far to influenza A and B, severely behind. Here's a up to date model that provides a up to date analysis of Corona, the locations and business names plus other vital information on a live map. Keep in mind, there's about 2 million people in this surrounding area. Confirmed cases, confirmed location cases and possible exposure locations.
Confirmed cases in my county comes to 19, confirmed exposure locations come to 32, possible exposure locations are 5. NO DEATHS so far.


https://dogis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1PN8vb4R4X31hjA6LiQ9YY1OYR4ZRc-IxSA50cWKXkzpz9QADZvsEt7T0#/21bec056a9a6449abcca89a329868fd6

A little gem is also hidden in my locations map, can you tell what that is? I'll tell you, out of confirmed exposure locations, 10 of them are Walmart.... Do you want to keep your risks down? Then stay out of Walmarts! Start supporting Mom and Pops business's so their doors are still open in 4-6 weeks. I have been doing just that. No buying meat at Walmart for example, I go to a real butcher shop, that's just an example of 1 way I've been staying away from exposure locations. Do your normal grocery shopping at a smaller chain grocer, I go to one called Fareway.

If you're in the USA, play it smart, find a map like the example I left up above. Learn the locations where exposure risk is at and greater. Do your homework. You'll be much safer. This approach is not full proof of course, but it does lesson your chances.

On a lite note: No strip clubs are on the map above nor have ever been a exposure location 😄 

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One article in that link Tony rings true and stands out in my opinion. This is what I've been saying all along and the numbers where I live prove that beyond a shadow of doubt.

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About 4,000 Americans have been Corona’d to date. Less than 2 percent of them – about 65 people as of March 15 – have died. This is not Happy News. But it is not the Black Death, either. During the 2019 flu season, millions of people got sick and at least 1,300 of them died. For some reason, the media did not herald the reaper; businesses weren’t closed – either by government edict or because their customers had been scared away by the media. It was just the flu. Most people who got it didn’t die and most of those who did die were close to dying anyway. The flu merely pushed them over the edge of the end-of-life cliff.

 

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Scarier than even dying from this common cold is this:

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What’s not natural is the almost overnight pillow-snuffing of a healthy economy – the best economy Americans have had in years – for the sake of something that could end up doing no more harm to most people’s health than a bad flu season – and maybe less...

But the harm being summoned by the hysteria and the overreaction to it could prove fatal to everyone who doesn’t get the virus and everyone gets it and who recovers from it.

Not dead. But dead broke ...

The whole Corona Thing thing smells wrong. It is too convenient. It is too fast. It serves too many nefarious purposes. It may achieve what nahnlevven didn’t – and what the “climate crisis” seems unable to achieve, despite Herculean efforts toward that end: The corralling of the populace with its fear-addled, lowing consent. The destruction of the economic life of America – so as to impose the elite’s political agenda on Americans.

 

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Someone called in on the radio today saying the whole thing is a hoax and the dems invented it all and nobody is even dying. lol. The right says how dumb that is, but I realty wonder if the left would call out that dumb of a statement if everything was reversed. But anyyyway, don't want to get political.

Someone pointed out the same thing I've said... that once there is more testing, the numbers will inevitably go up, so the media will make it look like there is some explosion of cases, whereas it's just people who already had it, ie not some sudden spike in people getting it.

On a random note, if anyone gets tasty kake mini chocolate donuts where they are.... the april 27th batch is soooooooo good I had to buy 3 extra bags and will freeze a couple. Certain batches are extra good. Probably depend son weather, too, though. They must have not had these melt any.

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3 hours ago, Midnight Modding said:

One other thing is that the panic from it is causing "more" social interactions because of how often we have to go to the stores before various times are in stock. I've gone in 3 different stores probably a combined 12 times in a few days.

It’s taken you 2 years to build a PC though. I’d imagine buying ingredients for dinner is at least a multi-week affair. 

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4 hours ago, Morgin said:

It’s taken you 2 years to build a PC though. I’d imagine buying ingredients for dinner is at least a multi-week affair. 

that's when you know someone is making good points... people start with the personal insults instead of sticking to the topic. 🙂 

it's taken me 2 years because my current pc was originally seeming to be about to bite the dust, but after fixing the issue and (ironically) also getting dust out of it, it's been lasting, so it's given me the luxury of being able to be picky and wait for good deals on good parts before building.

I do take my time on buying things, though, because I like making the best decisions and getting good deals.

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I still haven't seen anyone answer how long businesses should be closed and everyone panicking if the virus remains the same. Forever? Nobody said the virus is a good thing, but just like with the flu at some point people have to accept that viruses happen. The fact that this is spreading as much as it is also shows that a lot of people apparently don't know how to act in public when sick... they should either be staying home or making extra sure not to cough every which way in public. Same with the flu... people who know they are sick go around others. So the most important part is still for the sick to be at home, not the rest being forced to. And the ones who have the virus and don't know it would of course not be coughing and spreading it that way.

edit: what's weird is a lot of fantasy baseball leagues aren't filling... you'd think with people at home more, they'd be filling more often, not less so. Maybe they're waiting until closer to when the season legit starts before deciding who they'd draft...

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7 hours ago, Midnight Modding said:

I still haven't seen anyone answer how long businesses should be closed and everyone panicking if the virus remains the same. Forever?

Have you heard the phrase “flattening the curve lately”? It’s been blasted all over the news and social media platforms. It’s also your answer. It’s still spreading exponentially, which in turn means the healthcare system will be overwhelmed, which leads to even more deaths, including people with other health issues. If you or a family member of yours suffers from a stroke tomorrow and no doctor has time to help, you (and the other armchair-scientist here) would maybe finally get it and stop writing all this crap.   
The virus can’t be stopped. The goal of the shut-downs down is to slow it down as much as necessary to keep the health-care system going and by that avoid tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. That’s it.

And all of that is completely different to expected seasonal infections, which don’t overwhelm the health-care system, because they are, well, expected. So stop making that comparison guys! The graphs clearly show that the worst is yet to come. So comparing typical flu deaths per season (i.e. finished events) to current Covid-19 deaths is incredibly stupid, when the infection curve is still on a linear or even exponential climb with no end in sight. Seriously, does this even need explaining? Can’t you do math or read graphs?

And just because some people can do the math and think ahead doesn’t mean they are “panicking”. They have a reasonable expectation based on evidence. 
Yes, panic buying (essentially an emotional reaction rooted in fear) counts as panicking. Understanding what is about to happen is not. Those two things shouldn’t be lumped together so easily. Just because people take this seriously, doesn’t mean they are “panicking”. 

The shut-downs need to last as long as necessary to achieve the mentioned goal. Because the consequences of not doing it (i.e. tens of thousands of avoidable deaths) are of course more severe than other things like lost profits. Again, does this even need explaining? Do you rather want to earn less money next month or bury your family members? It’s not that hard. 
Once countries are over the peak and vaccines are in place for the expected coming waves, things can of course get back to normal. 

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just like with the flu at some point people have to accept that viruses happen. The fact that this is spreading as much as it is also shows that a lot of people apparently don't know how to act in public when sick...

Just more “arm-chair expert” opinion. Stop it. You aren’t a doctor or virologist. You have no idea what you are talking about. Either you can provide scientific sources for your claims or you shouldn’t make them. The incubation period of this virus is long enough (several days, maybe even up to 14 days or more) so it can constantly spread through people who don’t even have symptoms yet. That’s why the shut-downs and the social distancing are the only way to slow it down considerably. Just reacting after the symptoms (which is essentially your claim) has demonstrably not worked. That’s what Italy tried. So your opinion on that isn’t just demonstrably wrong, it’s even dangerous. You could have it right now and have already infected others with nothing else than touching door knobs, while giving us your opinion here on how sick people supposedly should behave. 

Go with that data and Listen to the science guys, not uninformed opinions (as in this topic) of people, who have no background in health or science and who’s opinions don’t align with reason and the facts. 

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6 minutes ago, opentype said:

Have you heard the phrase “flattening the curve lately”? It’s been blasted all over the news and social media platforms. It’s also your answer. It’s still spreading exponentially, which in turn means the healthcare system will be overwhelmed, which leads to even more deaths, including people with other health issues. If you or a family member of yours suffers from a stroke tomorrow and no doctor has time to help, you (and the other armchair-scientist here) would maybe finally get it and stop writing all this crap.   
The virus can’t be stopped. The goal of the shut-downs down is to slow it down as much as necessary to keep the health-care system going and by that avoid tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths. That’s it.

And all of that is completely different to expected seasonal infections, which don’t overwhelm the health-care system, because they are, well, expected. So stop making that comparison guys! The graphs clearly show that the worst is yet to come. So comparing typical flu deaths per season (i.e. finished events) to current Covid-19 deaths is incredibly stupid, when the infection curve is still on a linear or even exponential climb with no end in sight. Seriously, does this even need explaining? Can’t you do math or read graphs?

And just because some people can do the math and think ahead doesn’t mean they are “panicking”. They have a reasonable expectation based on evidence. 
Yes, panic buying (essentially an emotional reaction rooted in fear) counts as panicking. Understanding what is about to happen is not. Those two things shouldn’t be lumped together so easily. Just because people take this faeces seriously, doesn’t mean they are “panicking”. 

The shut-downs need to last as long as necessary to achieve the mentioned goal. Because the consequences of not doing it (i.e. tens of thousands of avoidable deaths) are of course more severe than other things like lost profits. Again, does this even need explaining? Do you rather want to earn less money next month or bury your family members? It’s not that hard. 
Once countries are over the peak and vaccines are in place for the expected coming waves, things can of course get back to normal. 

Just more “arm-chair expert” opinion. Stop it. You aren’t a doctor or virologist. You have no idea what you are talking about. Either you can provide scientific sources for your claims or you shouldn’t make them. The incubation period of this virus is long enough (several days, maybe even up to 14 days or more) so it can constantly spread through people who don’t even have symptoms yet. That’s why the shut-downs and the social distancing are the only way to slow it down considerably. Just reacting after the symptoms (which is essentially your claim) has demonstrably not worked. That’s what Italy tried. So your opinion on that isn’t just demonstrably wrong, it’s even dangerous. You could have it right now and have already infected others with nothing else than touching door knobs, while giving us your opinion here on how sick people supposedly should behave. 

Go with that data and Listen to the science guys, not uninformed opinions (as in this topic) of people, who have no background in health or science and who’s opinions don’t align with reason and the facts. 

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Thank you for taking the time and making the effort to do this post. I just couldn’t bring myself to combat the insanity being displayed by these people in this thread. 

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This topic is an outlet for people who are obviously concerned about what is happening.  None of us are experts, but there have been many questions raised which have not been answered in a timely manner by those who we look to for advice.  Some of the questions raised can't be answered because there are too many unknowns.  Advice is now, at least here in the UK, filtering through and our Government is giving daily televised updates as to what measures are being taken.  Sadly, the advice being given is not being heeded and people are still panic buying.  I went to do a normal weekly shop today and you would think a swarm of locusts had ravaged the supermarket; it was unbelievable and the ones I felt the most sympathy and empathy for and with, were the elderly who looked bewildered at the empty shelves. Almost every department was stripped bare.

The virus is one thing, people are another - it's people that we need to fear more than the virus because they are acting out of blind panic and hysteria.  How long will it be before the news is telling us of people being mugged, or murdered, for a pack of toilet rolls, or pasta?  There have already been videos posted on SM showing how people are prepared to debase themselves for a pack of toilet rolls - it's disgusting and, quite frankly, in many ways it makes me feel ashamed to be part of the human race. At least during the world wars people came together to help each other and share what they had with their friends and neighbours - the community spirit that was alive and thriving then is lost today.

I can only hope that this virus is contained, controlled and eventually neutralised in a timely manner and that people will look back with shame as to how they acted and reacted, but somehow I doubt it.  Sad times, strange times and definitely not the world that I envisaged as a young boy.  I will be retiring this year when I reach 66 years of age, if I am lucky.

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2 hours ago, tonyv said:

I wonder how many children have died from it so far. Some expert, please post the numbers. 

Notice how they can't just stick to the facts or even their opinions. they throw in insults such as implying I can't "do the math" and to listen to experts. I am known for my good math skills and experts have said they don't know what will happen. If it reaching the "top of the curve" is all that matters then how come they say we're only 2 weeks behind Italy and Italy is at the top of theirs already, yet they canceled stuff for 8 weeks out? My math skills tell me that if our top of the curve is 2 weeks away and we only need to do this until then, 8 is greater than 2. And apparently my opinions are armchair opinions, but his opinions are facts, such as vaccines "being in place" just because some trials are going on. I'm so sure they magically got a good vaccine out so quickly and it will be a miracle worker for a virus. Oh and as far as background in science, I have a degree in a science and right in a textbook it was talking about limitations. He's responding as if I am the only one believing these things when the majority does.

And supposedly panic isn't going on... Grocery shelves bare and businesses being ruined forever over something with a lower death rate than a lot of other things. Look at the huge number of cancer cases and probably most are caused my manmade chemicals that still are allowed.

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2 hours ago, opentype said:

Go with that data and Listen to the science guys, not uninformed opinions (as in this topic) of people, who have no background in health or science and who’s opinions don’t align with reason and the facts. 

Oh for goodness sakes, you left a link to a neurological doctors opinion, not even a virologist! Here, get educated from a leading source
https://www.businessinsider.com/read-what-a-virologist-is-telling-family-coronavirus-guido-vanham-2020-3

AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY!! And out of the article I left above
It's the "death rate" you need to look at... AGAIN, as I said before.
Armchair opinions like yours is dangerous!

2 hours ago, opentype said:

Just more “arm-chair expert” opinion. Stop it. You aren’t a doctor or virologist. You have no idea what you are talking about. Either you can provide scientific sources for your claims or you shouldn’t make them.

Exactly, you have no clue either! Your even worse than some here leaving a article from a neurological opinion.

From the article I left from a leading virologist in the world.

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Now, we do have to be careful in interpreting the death rate of this virus. It is indeed low (less than one percent) for people like you, but you should still consider you can get severely ill.


My information was directly from the CDC, not some opinion from a neurologist. Now you're hearing from a leading virologist in the world!

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And we can't predict yet if the #coronavirus COVID-19 will ever become "like the flu" in mortality rates and immunity: it may indeed become weaker over time, as we develop immunity against it. That would be the best case scenario. And we may well develop a vaccine against it within a year's time, solving the problem as well.

AGAIN, as I said previously, the influenza situation is currently more dangerous. Is there a chance corona could pass influenza, yes it could, in some areas it also has a chance to not do that. AS I SAID BEFORE, people should be as concerned with influenza as much as they are about corona. Keep in mind the world has not shut down for influenza even though the death rates are higher currently mostly across the globe. I can tell you for a fact where I live, influenza is doing more damage than corona and even at the curve influenza is higher.

This is pretty simple, wash your hands, keep informed of locations where the virus has been identified and stay away from those areas and practice some social distancing. Pretty simple.

 

2 hours ago, opentype said:

Go with that data and Listen to the science guys, not uninformed opinions (as in this topic) of people, who have no background in health or science and who’s opinions don’t align with reason and the facts. 

A link to a 404 page and a link to a neurological article and doc, just stop with your as usual greater than thou stuff.

By the way, my wife is directly connected and works in the medical field getting top information from the cdc, US gov't outlets and more. I hear about this daily and see things most here could only dream of. I can stand behind everything I've posted. Can you??

Precaution is always good but remember, there is a curve here and that curve will falter soon. 
As more proof you can take a look at Chinas numbers right now. this is the largest population in the world..
 

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Coronavirus Cases:
80,894
Deaths:
3,237
Recovered:
69,614

China today has 14 cases live... 14 CASES!!! This proves the curve is fast even in the worst situations like China. Here, see for yourself
 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/

And another tidbit I mentioned previously!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/01/24/coronavirus-versus-flu-influenza-deadlier-than-wuhan-china-disease/4564133002/
So when people like opentype tell you
 

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And all of that is completely different to expected seasonal infections, which don’t overwhelm the health-care system, because they are, well, expected. So stop making that comparison guys!

Don't listen to them, comparisons are relevant, in a BIG way! Our systems in the USA have been geared for this for a long time as we deal with larger numbers of influenza cases than wuhan every month.

Again, common sense goes far in stopping the infection of populations! This wouldn't be as bad of a global issue if China would of had it together to begin with. Before anyone else freaks out saying were in a more devastating situation than ever before, think twice and do your research. If you are from the USA, DON'T freak out. many places in the world have failed and done the wrong things for detection and prevention, we are doing GREAT with this, don't panic or listen to armchair warriors!

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