I've not yet uplifted to 4.1.6, but ref 'Introduces support for PayPal Billing Agreement' are we going to get any information from IPS as to how we set these up, or are we going to get no help with configuring such an important and much requested feature?

A mini FAQ or tutorial is needed! IMHO of course!

@Lindy any comment back at all?

its referring to the new API. the new paypal setup works with recurring payments now.

So does this negate the need for REST API key + forcing users to input their credit card? We saw a 20% decline in revenue and new subscriptions after switching from VB to IPS because of this REST API nonsense so hopefully this alleviates that.

24 minutes ago, Brian K. said:

So does this negate the need for REST API key + forcing users to input their credit card? We saw a 20% decline in revenue and new subscriptions after switching from VB to IPS because of this REST API nonsense so hopefully this alleviates that.

youre going to need the rest API from paypal and set that up... but you can choose to either user paypal direct and have no credit card entry on your site, or have paypal do credit processing using info pushed from your site...

but as for storing the cards, your site in both setup does NOT store card info. it is tokened and paypal stores that information.

Ok so will they still need the CC for recurring subs?

Just now, Brian K. said:

Ok so will they still need the CC for recurring subs?

If using paypal direct, it will process though paypal (through balance, cc, or any way they have setup on their paypal account)

if using paypal credit card, it will process using the tokened credit card information. (if saved) , if not saved, it will invoice and they have to manually enter it in each billing cycle. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0mBb9QuGv84UjZ3blFlS2Iya3M/view?usp=drivesdk

But as for saving credit card information, that is done though paypal anyway, basically all it does it checks if you have the same random token number as they do, then process that way.

 

so to answer your question. it depends on your setup.

2 hours ago, MADMAN32395 said:

If using paypal direct, it will process though paypal (through balance, cc, or any way they have setup on their paypal account)

if using paypal credit card, it will process using the tokened credit card information. (if saved) , if not saved, it will invoice and they have to manually enter it in each billing cycle. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0mBb9QuGv84UjZ3blFlS2Iya3M/view?usp=drivesdk

But as for saving credit card information, that is done though paypal anyway, basically all it does it checks if you have the same random token number as they do, then process that way.

 

so to answer your question. it depends on your setup.

Thanks, updated to 4.1.6 and saw what you mean with the REST API key still being used. 

Here is a screen shot of the same paypal gateway that now supports this, you can edit your gateway and adjust as needed.  This has nothing to do with paypal credit cards, this is for paypal account payments only, and replaces the old/outdated "subscriptions" in paypal, which the old ones will still work, but new ones wouldn't until now using this new "Billing Agreements" feature in the new REST API/Paypal Gateway.

 

 

Okay...... @Rhett I now have Commerce set as:

PayPal is showing:

and

So does that all look okay for my users to create purchases on a monthly automatic renewal using PayPal?

Yes it looks good   

Hi,

Is there a tutorial anywhere for how to set this up? We currently have it set to invoice our customers, and we imagine that after the initial month's paid membership a very small fraction of people will renew, with the majority forgetting to or not bothering to.... 

Would really appreciate some help setting it up! 

There isn't anything to setup really other than ensuring you have renewals on your product, and enabling billing agreements as above. 

2 hours ago, Rhett said:

Yes it looks good   

Okay now turned on we'll see how it goes!

47 minutes ago, tekguru said:

Okay now turned on we'll see how it goes!

Keep us up to date mate!

Will do, might be a while as a lot of users have moved on to paying support via direct bank transfer to myself while waiting for this all to be 'fixed'.