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IPS4 Documentation - Ready When Release?


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Will the IPS4 Documentation be fully updated and release with the release of IPB 4.0? I ask this because in the pass versions of the documentation was always lacking behind the main release if not a few weeks but a few months. I just like to be transparent on everything as I recall it being said in a post a while back that the information would be up to date.

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My gut feeling is that IPS is a fairly lean organisation and all their resources will be focused on getting the script out of the door with the documentation to follow. In a perfect world it would come at the same time, or just before, but that would involve more staff which would translate, I'd imagine, in to a higher license cost (IPS suite is cheap, relatively speaking!).

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The reason I ask other than what I stated above is, if I have a issue I can try to correct it myself and not to have an open ticket and wait. Yes, I have an open ticket and it be all fine and all. But if its something simple an weird error code will not tell me, but how it's define will if it over my head are not. That part helps a bunch.

And some things require documentation - good luck convincing anyone for who IPS isn't the entirety of their community to switch while IPSConnect 4 is undocumented...

​Hey give positive comments, telling them xyz sucks and such don't help the issue. They have said in the pass around IPB 4.0 started that they would do a better job of putting out better and quicker documentations. I think they are current working on bugs and such and working on other things as well that they haven't had a chance to shine. I say after it been release and nothing bares fruit than you can start calling and ringing bells. Give them a chance make good on there word before blowing them down. Also telling them why you want it will helps to show that this is important to their customers.

My gut feeling is that IPS is a fairly lean organisation and all their resources will be focused on getting the script out of the door with the documentation to follow. In a perfect world it would come at the same time, or just before, but that would involve more staff which would translate, I'd imagine, in to a higher license cost (IPS suite is cheap, relatively speaking!).

​We just have to wait and see if an IPB staff replays at this point.

 

 

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The reason I ask other than what I stated above is, if I have a issue I can try to correct it myself and not to have an open ticket and wait. Yes, I have an open ticket and it be all fine and all. But if its something simple an weird error code will not tell me, but how it's define will if it over my head are not. That part helps a bunch.

​Hey give positive comments, telling them xyz sucks and such don't help the issue. They have said in the pass around IPB 4.0 started that they would do a better job of putting out better and quicker documentations. I think they are current working on bugs and such and working on other things as well that they haven't had a chance to shine. I say after it been release and nothing bares fruit than you can start calling and ringing bells. Give them a chance make good on there word before blowing them down. Also telling them why you want it will helps to show that this is important to their customers.

​We just have to wait and see if an IPB staff replays at this point.

 

 

​I'm not "blowing them down", I am pointing out that it's going to form an issue if that takes time.

 

I'm not overly concerned about IPS4's features and bugs, features can be replaced by mods and most bugs can be fixed without damage. I'm more concerned with things holding back developers. E.G. that people like Ehren (who makes a hell of a lot of great quality skins) couldn't even get started because of a broken designer mode for ages, or that any party that relies on integration can't start until this documentation is there (myself included, but there's some topics of others asking about it if you look back a bit. Though I could look at the code and go from there, I am not taking risks with such integral parts), I'm not entirely sure on modding documentation, but a quick look doesn't look overly enticing either. 

 

In the end IPS4's features/skin aren't the key to IPS4' success or failure. I don't even like the new skin (especially the mobile skin), while it does help to have a solid base and a great experience from the get-go, in the end every community is different. We all want our own unique features, skins and in some cases we want the forum to be a part of the experience, instead of a "suite" dominating it. It's the modding/skins that matter. In my opinion, IPB3 reduced the amount of interesting mods available, I am hoping this time IPS4 will increase it again (as they have said they are adding a lot of juicyness for developers). 

Releasing such things a month after RC may sound fine, but it also means the first batch of newb clients are going to get IPS4 and go into an absolute hissyfit because nothing good is available for it. Nevermind the fact that everything currently undocumented - is also very likely not to be beta tested yet. Whilst some of them are fairly sensitive... 

 

So no, I am not saying they suck, I give compliments when earned, but I do not intend to lay back and pray it ends up OK. Some parts of their direction already changed because customers stood up and made clear it had to be different. From my experience with IPS, their support is incredible and they are very active in improving the software, but i've to say I am fairly critical about rewriting software (code isn't milk, it doesn't go bad suddenly. It can be motivating to work with a fresh start, but it is also a risk), and a tad worried about IPS4. Communication has taken a serious fall for a few months now.

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​I'm not "blowing them down", I am pointing out that it's going to form an issue if that takes time.

I'm not overly concerned about IPS4's features and bugs, features can be replaced by mods and most bugs can be fixed without damage. I'm more concerned with things holding back developers. E.G. that people like Ehren (who makes a hell of a lot of great quality skins) couldn't even get started because of a broken designer mode for ages, or that any party that relies on integration can't start until this documentation is there (myself included, but there's some topics of others asking about it if you look back a bit. Though I could look at the code and go from there, I am not taking risks with such integral parts), I'm not entirely sure on modding documentation, but a quick look doesn't look overly enticing either. 

In the end IPS4's features/skin aren't the key to IPS4' success or failure. I don't even like the new skin (especially the mobile skin), while it does help to have a solid base and a great experience from the get-go, in the end every community is different. We all want our own unique features, skins and in some cases we want the forum to be a part of the experience, instead of a "suite" dominating it. It's the modding/skins that matter. In my opinion, IPB3 reduced the amount of interesting mods available, I am hoping this time IPS4 will increase it again (as they have said they are adding a lot of juicyness for developers). 

Releasing such things a month after RC may sound fine, but it also means the first batch of newb clients are going to get IPS4 and go into an absolute hissyfit because nothing good is available for it. Nevermind the fact that everything currently undocumented - is also very likely not to be beta tested yet. Whilst some of them are fairly sensitive... 

So no, I am not saying they suck, I give compliments when earned, but I do not intend to lay back and pray it ends up OK. Some parts of their direction already changed because customers stood up and made clear it had to be different. From my experience with IPS, their support is incredible and they are very active in improving the software, but i've to say I am fairly critical about rewriting software (code isn't milk, it doesn't go bad suddenly. It can be motivating to work with a fresh start, but it is also a risk), and a tad worried about IPS4. Communication has taken a serious fall for a few months now.

​I would have to agree with you in some of these matters. The experiences I have had as well reflect the same of the things you stated and I hope they change for the better as well as it be sooner than later. May aspects is more gear for people whom know the code base and a know what they are doing. If it was more focus on the part of the community to get them in to the door per say in the make of developing skins are even hooks to start at on. They can offer that via the Marketplace and get more files out and there cut of it as well.

With a rewrite of the code base they did need to bring the system more current and how they explain how the back end work more it seems that things can be more flexible. With that in mind the first version we all know is going to need some more features and wants as the community are going to have this option in and all. But with everything we just wait in see. I would hope a staff member would comment on this. I know they can't comment on every post they may read but a quick reply won't hurt either. I would think this somewhat of an important subject as it to be concern and linked to Community Suite 4.0

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I would like to bring this topic back to the top as I would like to have an officially answer and not get looked over as it has been doing are felt like it has been. I'm not asking for water to be made in to wine just information on a issue that has been a small problem from IPB 3. So bring @Charlie in as he recently ask about it, maybe he see this. 

Hello, I'm new here at IPS.  I would love to hear what documents you felt we needed or if any didn't help you.  I know your time is valuable.  Please let me know at your convenience.

Could we really get an FIRM answer on if the docs will be out BEFORE IPB 4.0 goes live. I don't want to open 9,000 support tickets for something that I can just read myself. That is something has not been doing well in IPB 3 series. But I hope that would change with 4.0 been seen soon.

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Not all of the documentation will be completed on the day of the official release.  Articles are being written, and they will continue being published before and after release.  If there are any areas that you would like to see documentation, please let me know.  I will try to prioritize the community's needs.  Also if you have any problems with existing documentation or suggestions please let me know.

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Thanks for replying quickly @Charlie, the biggest things I always have problems was with IP.Content 4|Pages as I would like to start building on things and like to read about items and such before it comes out. IP.Nexus 4.0|Commerce as these will be main products I be using the most and many others. After that I would say Gallery as my community uses that system a lot and would like to see what major changes were made to it.  Overal

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