Dylan Riggs Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I decided to not renew my license until 4.0 hits and understand what's going on with it before I take the jump on keeping up with deving for IPS or not. That being said, I do not think it is right that developers cannot access their paid files to manage customers when they still have to provide support to them. Nor can you check to see who has/has not purchased your apps for verification and makes it much more difficult overall to simply verify. I might be the only case, but this specifically affects me since on one of my apps, I offer them the ability to upgrade to a more advanced version (IP.Content to an actual IPB app) by simply paying the price difference via PayPal and after reviewing each one, I add them to the list. I cannot do this now. Maybe I am mistaken, but I had the links all book marked and I cannot access any of them since I have not renewed my license. Any chance this might be able to be changed or an alternate solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimi Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I decided to not renew my license until 4.0 hits and understand what's going on with it before I take the jump on keeping up with deving for IPS or not. Leaving is not an option. Stay with us. Forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct2·com Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 This doesn't feel like a reasonable position. It's like you don't want to pay the insurance on your taxi, but you still want to drive it, and charge fares to passengers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Riggs Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 It's a little different then that. If you have files in the marketplace, especially paid ones, you are required to support your product. To take it a step further, members who are no longer with active licenses are still able to purchase and download from the marketplace. Why can't developers support their products fully but are able to purchase from the marketplace? To take it even further then that. I'm certain without the contributions of the 3rd party skins, apps and hooks, IPB would not be as popular as it is. Finally, I don't mind paying the licensing fees if I had a use to pay for the licensing fees. I do not use the support, and I do not see any justification to pay for 6+ more months of roughly $200+ for a dead end version with minimal updates till 4.0 comes out. There isn't going to be any nice features added to 3.4.x, just bug fixes and minor updates, but that is irrelevant to this thread and is a personal matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct2·com Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I am sympathetic, but let me play Devil's Advocate. Granted, inVision take a commission on every sale, but you are reliant not just on their product for an income, you are also reliant on their services as a host for your mods, and a payment gateway. As a contributor you more than any type of customer they have, ought to keep licensed. And what about your customers? Isn't it reasonable for them to expect you to keep your 'tools sharp' to deliver them the support they are paying for? On the other hand, I say to Invision, perhaps you ought to deliver on something buried in this site about a certification scheme for contributors: Free developer license for all products (*for development purposes only, not to be used as an active community) Free renewals on the developer licenses Access to beta releases for all product ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Riggs Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 I can see a reason to keep licensed currently, if there were plans to release something to require me to maintain my products a little more. If it was 3.3.4 to 3.4.2 for example, and a license renewal would be justfied. I will renew my license when I believe there is a need and a use to do so. My site that I have, is not an active one nor supports an active community, it is a side hobby that I use for the services I provide to clients and customers a like. If IPS decided to say "Hey, every developer that has a single paid hook/app/skin on the marketplace that does not renew their license, will have their product removed from the marketplace" I'm sure some developers would not be happy. But you know who really wouldn't be happy? Every single customer who purchased the product. You will always have developers that turn around and not support their work because of what ever reason, from life, lazyness, loss of interest. But there are others like myself, who do not mind supporting their work despite not having an active license would also suffer. I do have a license, for all the products, they are just not 'active' licenses that do not have some of the active benefits (support, and product downloads mostly) t here is a difference between the 2 (why you pay an upfront cost and then a renewal cost) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Lindy Posted February 13, 2014 Management Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'm sure you can see the irony in wanting to continue making money from the IPS marketplace while not spending any yourself? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimi Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'm sure you can see the irony in wanting to continue making money from the IPS marketplace while not spending any yourself? :)So if we don't renew our license but continue to make sales you won't let us request payouts? >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rct2·com Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Every "company" has some unavoidable fixed costs to be able to stay in business and generate income. Surely for modders, keeping licenses under maintenance is one of those fixed costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Riggs Posted February 13, 2014 Author Share Posted February 13, 2014 I'm sure you can see the irony in wanting to continue making money from the IPS marketplace while not spending any yourself? :smile: I seen the irony, but if there was an issue with it, I would honestly just remove the files, but here's the issue - Developers cannot even manage the paid products to update, fix, manage or remove from the marketplace. That is what I'm griping about, you let us 'make money' while not allowing us to manage them in any way. If this was part of the scheme to keep us doing that, then so be it - It is what it is, it was just a suggestion :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomAleold Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 invisionpower should at least support topics in the report if the author of the topic can be answered in the topic, because in this case it would lose its function of support on "own clients". please add into the marketplace rules this advice "if your license is expired, you can not access on your support topic" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistra Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 So if we don't renew our license but continue to make sales you won't let us request payouts? >_> No I just think the payouts will automaticly goto renewal fees. IPS isn't going to shoot themselves in the foot. Oh wait! They have.. The whole reason I make my mods is to pay for my renewals or if I amn strapped for cash at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Everyone concerned... please see this reply: > and then do as Brandon suggested. Logout, and and login again, then check to see if you have proper access. If you do not have proper access after doing so, please alert Brandon, or us via a ticket to Customer Service, or an email sent directly to accounts@invisionpower.com and we'll fix it. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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