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P.S. To clarify the Mandrill Reputation, a bad reputation doesn't mean that your emails won't get delivered. A poor reputation will mean that you can only send so many emails per hours. The more emails that are sent that are successfully will improve the reputation, with improved reputation the more mails you will be able to send per hour.

If you send more emails than allowed for the hour, they'll get queued and send later.

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Thought you might want to see an email from Mandrill I just received:
 

Hello,

We're writing to let you know about some significant changes that will affect your Mandrill account.

Going forward, all Mandrill users will be required to have a paid monthly MailChimp account and verify ownership of all sending domains. Here's the timeline: Starting 3/16, all new Mandrill users will create accounts through MailChimp, and current Mandrill users can merge their existing Mandrill account with a monthly MailChimp account. Current users will have until 4/27 to merge their accounts.

Why we're making this change

The MailChimp team built Mandrill in 2012 as a transactional email tool. Mandrill has always been under the MailChimp umbrella, but it has functioned as a completely separate product. Mandrill is now becoming an optional add-on to paid MailChimp accounts. This is a strategic change we're making to close the gap between the two products and focus on the MailChimp marketing platform. MailChimp is designed for marketing, and Mandrill is designed for transactional messages. Each is powerful on its own, and offering Mandrill as an add-on makes MailChimp even more powerful for our small business and e-commerce customers. Our CEO and cofounder Ben Chestnut wrote more about the changes on the MailChimp blog.

What you need to know

The application's functionality and look and feel are not changing at this time. Here are the important changes that will affect your account:

  • Starting today, Mandrill will adopt MailChimp's Terms of Use and Acceptable Use Policy. These terms reinforce that Mandrill should be used for transactional email, and bulk email/email marketing campaigns should be sent through MailChimp. In addition, MailChimp's Privacy Policy, which has always covered Mandrill, has been updated. If you have any questions about our policy changes, please email legal@mailchimp.com.

  • To continue using Mandrill, all users will be required to have a paid monthly MailChimp account by 4/27.

  • All Mandrill users will be required to verify their sending domains and add SPF and DKIM records by 4/27. This is already in effect for new Mandrill users.

  • Starting 3/16, all new Mandrill accounts will be created and accessed through MailChimp.

  • Starting 3/16, the Mandrill mobile application will no longer be available for installation. It will remain functional for existing users until 4/27.

  • Our billing and pricing model is also changing. MailChimp will generate one consolidated bill that covers your MailChimp and Mandrill charges. Mandrill credits will be sold in blocks of 25,000 emails. Blocks will start at $20 per month. This goes into effect once your accounts are merged.

  • Any existing discounts, free credits, and free accounts will no longer be valid once your accounts are merged.

What you need to do

  • If you already have a paid monthly MailChimp account, you’ll be able to merge your accounts starting on 3/16. We’ll send detailed instructions at that time.

  • If you don't have a paid monthly MailChimp account and decide to create one, you can go to mailchimp.com and do so at any time. You'll be able to merge your accounts starting on 3/16. We'll send detailed instructions at that time.

  • If you haven't already done so, you'll need to add SPF and DKIM records and verify ownership of your sending domains. Here's an article explaining how to do that. Starting 4/27, Mandrill will not send any email from unverified domains or domains without valid SPF and DKIM records, including public domains like gmail.com and yahoo.com.

If you don't have a paid monthly MailChimp account merged with your Mandrill account by 4/27, then your Mandrill account will be disabled.

If you have questions or need technical support, please log in to your Mandrill account and click Support in your dashboard. We've made support available to all users on free and paid accounts.

We know this is disruptive, and we understand that it may affect your decision to use Mandrill. Please know that we carefully considered these changes. The new structure will allow us to create more flexible products and better serve our customers. Thanks for using Mandrill, and we hope to welcome you to MailChimp soon.

- The Mandrill team

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@stoo2000 ...here is something else you may want to look at from a discussion about what mandrill is doing. A lot of unhappy folks out there.

Fortunately when I've start to use Mandrill, I didn't build directly all my email service on top of it. Specially for webhooks that are very usefull. I've made a bundle to use them indifferently from various service. It's available here https://github.com/ScullWM/MailHookBundle and it supports Campainmonitor, Mailjet, Mandrill (sic), Mailgun and Sendgrid.

2 minutes ago, sobrenome said:

So the Mandrill Bouncer will work just fine with the recent announcement?

As long as you get a paid Maichimp account and don't mind the increased pricing for mandrill...I assume yes.

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3 hours ago, PacmanDo said:

@stoo2000 ...here is something else you may want to look at from a discussion about what mandrill is doing. A lot of unhappy folks out there.

Fortunately when I've start to use Mandrill, I didn't build directly all my email service on top of it. Specially for webhooks that are very usefull. I've made a bundle to use them indifferently from various service. It's available here https://github.com/ScullWM/MailHookBundle and it supports Campainmonitor, Mailjet, Mandrill (sic), Mailgun and Sendgrid.

As long as you get a paid Maichimp account and don't mind the increased pricing for mandrill...I assume yes.

And the 20 bucks per month plan is ok? I don't need to use Mail Chimp for subscribers, I just need to send email through IPB. Is that correct?

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18 hours ago, sobrenome said:

And the 20 bucks per month plan is ok? I don't need to use Mail Chimp for subscribers, I just need to send email through IPB. Is that correct?

You have to pay for a mailchimp account monthly 1st and then mandrill is $20 per block of 25,000.

Mailchimp Account Start-up monthly pricing:

Subscribers                          Sends                                    Price

1,001 - 1,500
unlimited
$20.00
1,501 - 2,000
unlimited
$25.00
2,001 - 2,500
unlimited
$30.00
2,501 - 2,600
unlimited
$35.00
 
 

So it appears minimum pricing will be $40/mo if you have under 1501 Subscribers.

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I guess there is a difference between subscribers and mails sent.

I don't want to use the subscribers feature of Mail Chimp, just the unlimited emails of Mandrill.

Actually, I will have zero subscribers.

But more than 100.000 IPS members to send email to.

Is my idea correct?

Or will I have to pay for 100.000 subscribers to send email to each one with mandrill and not use the Mail Chimp newsletter feature?

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On 2/26/2016 at 4:18 PM, sobrenome said:

I guess there is a difference between subscribers and mails sent.

I don't want to use the subscribers feature of Mail Chimp, just the unlimited emails of Mandrill.

Actually, I will have zero subscribers.

But more than 100.000 IPS members to send email to.

Is my idea correct?

Or will I have to pay for 100.000 subscribers to send email to each one with mandrill and not use the Mail Chimp newsletter feature?

It looks like your cost will be at least $100/mo if you have under 100,000 members. $20/mo per block of 25,000 mandrill emails and at least $20 per month for mailchimp depending on if they only consider you having less than 1500 subscribers. That would be $20/mo for mailchimp if the assumption is correct and $80/mo for the mandrill sends. if you have 100,001 to 125,000 members you email it would cost $20 more per month. etc per block of 25,000.

Mandrill is no longer the best option for transactional email. Fact is, in my opinion it's a costly option now.

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We are also most definitely going to be looking for an alternative to Mandrill. It would really suck if we didn't have the ability to use this app, as-is or a new version with another email provider. I have no issues paying $20 for a MailChimp account. The issue is that we are going to need to pay for almost 300K members in order to send our monthly newsletter once per month. That's an additional $1,300 for sending one newsletter. Not gonna happen!

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18 minutes ago, BariatricPal said:

We are also most definitely going to be looking for an alternative to Mandrill. It would really suck if we didn't have the ability to use this app, as-is or a new version with another email provider. I have no issues paying $20 for a MailChimp account. The issue is that we are going to need to pay for almost 300K members in order to send our monthly newsletter once per month. That's an additional $1,300 for sending one newsletter. Not gonna happen!

Same problem here. It's abusive.

Please @stoo2000, upgrade the Mandrill Bouncer to work with other companies or to work even with our own server smtp.

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1 hour ago, Loren said:

@stoo2000

Any chance Mandrill Bouncer will work "as is" with SparkPost?

If not, will you be offering an alternative. I would hate to lose this great tool.

Thanks!

 

59 minutes ago, BariatricPal said:

We are also most definitely going to be looking for an alternative to Mandrill. It would really suck if we didn't have the ability to use this app, as-is or a new version with another email provider. I have no issues paying $20 for a MailChimp account. The issue is that we are going to need to pay for almost 300K members in order to send our monthly newsletter once per month. That's an additional $1,300 for sending one newsletter. Not gonna happen!

 

40 minutes ago, sobrenome said:

Same problem here. It's abusive.

Please @stoo2000, upgrade the Mandrill Bouncer to work with other companies or to work even with our own server smtp.

I'm still waiting to see what's going on with IPS4, it would be far easier to integrate with SparkPost for example if it was supported as a 'community enhancement' already. It makes a lot of sense to support some of the other providers though.

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