.Ian Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 But still i don't feel comfortable about the other side of the story. I currently don't have Downloads script. Lets assume 3 months from today , i choose to buy Downloads Add on. I will have to buy that script for 3 months only though pay the full price. Then after 3 months , i will have to renew this with other licenses. So my 3 month is automatically gone. You would not pay the full price, it would be pro-rated for the support element. You can then choose to renew or you may deactivate it prior to the expiry date. I am not aware of any way to deactivate it prior to the expiry date and still be able to download for the remainder of your support period . If you have credited your account you would probably need to deactivate on the day before renewal to avoid it being auto renewed. Not 100% sure on that. The new system is totally fair - except on the deactivation. I personally dislike the fact that time paid for is taken away. When version 4 is released the licencing will change again and the product will become one, with each add-on becoming an element of the overall product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace` Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 But still i don't feel comfortable about the other side of the story. I currently don't have Downloads script. Lets assume 3 months from today , i choose to buy Downloads Add on. I will have to buy that script for 3 months only though pay the full price. Then after 3 months , i will have to renew this with other licenses. So my 3 month is automatically gone. You're not alone on that one. Many people don't like this new system, but it's what we're going have to put up with unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 Lets assume 3 months from today , i choose to buy Downloads Add on. I will have to buy that script for 3 months only though pay the full price. Then after 3 months , i will have to renew this with other licenses. So my 3 month is automatically gone. No you would pay the full base price plus a pro-rated price for the support. Base price is the cost of the app minus the renewal, which would be $50 - $10 = $40. So for your example, you would pay $40 + $5 (3 months vs 6) = $45. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiwa Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 But still i don't feel comfortable about the other side of the story. I currently don't have Downloads script. Lets assume 3 months from today , i choose to buy Downloads Add on. I will have to buy that script for 3 months only though pay the full price. Then after 3 months , i will have to renew this with other licenses. So my 3 month is automatically gone. NO. That is NOT true. You only PAY for 3 months... You don't pay for the full 6 months on NEW purchases. If you buy a NEW product, the cost of support for that product will be PRORATED based on the amount of time left in your support cycle. See my example above! The only time you pay full price is for a renewal if you 'REACTIVATE' an expired license. And the reason for that is to keep people from REACTIVATING a day before their renewal, pay $0.10, get all new versions and cancel again before the full renewal comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenLinks Posted March 14, 2013 Share Posted March 14, 2013 No you would pay the full base price plus a pro-rated price for the support. Base price is the cost of the app minus the renewal, which would be $50 - $10 = $40. So for your example, you would pay $40 + $5 (3 months vs 6) = $45. Now it is clear , thanks :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 When version 4 is released the licencing will change again and the product will become one, with each add-on becoming an element of the overall product. It's not changing for 4. That is how it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 15, 2013 Share Posted March 15, 2013 It's not changing for 4. That is how it is now. I think he's referring to IP.Board being treated as an add-on app vs a required one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ian Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 I think he's referring to IP.Board being treated as an add-on app vs a required one. Indeed - currently the software is individual apps - each downloadable individually - the same way as it has been for a long time. In version 4 it will be one download (not individual downloads), with the core + any app required at least. I believe everyone will install all the software on every upgrade, including apps that they do not have a licence for. I assume therefore the licence number will open the doors to each app. Not sure mind how the test licence will work, as it will (I assume) require the entering of a licence number. With any luck it will also damage the warez market. I agree the actual way the licence is renewed will not change from what it is now - but the way that the software is presented will. (I know what I mean anyway LOL ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 Indeed - currently the software is individual apps - each downloadable individually - the same way as it has been for a long time. In version 4 it will be one download (not individual downloads), with the core + any app required at least. I believe everyone will install all the software on every upgrade, including apps that they do not have a licence for. My guess, based on deduction, is that it will only be the apps the person both has an active license for and also wishes to upgrade. As it is now, you can download everything in one move, or download everything of your choice in one move. In the Client Area, go to Purchases, select a purchase, then under the Upgrade Now button, click the Download link. (MT discovered this) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ian Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 sure - but I am sure that Charles or someone else has said in the forums, that it would be the same download for everyone, i.e. with all the apps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 If you go to the "purchases" area of the client area you can already generate a single download. The only difference after 4 is released will be that you can buy a license without board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ian Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 If you go to the "purchases" area of the client area you can already generate a single download. The only difference after 4 is released will be that you can buy a license without board. Okay - cool - so we can still download individual apps after 4 is out :) Am sure that I read that that had changed - must have misread :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adriano Faria Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 The only difference after 4 is released will be that you can buy a license without board. So you're saying that I can buy the core to use with a 3rd-party APP only? No board, downloads, etc.? No combined sale? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin A. Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 So you're saying that I can buy the core to use with a 3rd-party APP only? No board, downloads, etc.? No combined sale? No, they've stated somewhere else that you have to purchase one of the apps to get the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Ashbrook Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 No, they've stated somewhere else that you have to purchase one of the apps to get the core. Correct - at least one application must be purchased along with the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 If you go to the "purchases" area of the client area you can already generate a single download. sure - but I am sure that Charles or someone else has said in the forums, that it would be the same download for everyone, i.e. with all the apps. Okay - cool - so we can still download individual apps after 4 is out :smile: Am sure that I read that that had changed - must have misread :smile: I think you were reading that all the apps would be using the same version number as opposed to individual version numbers. So when you download the apps, you are downloading the same version of each app at the same time, versus a mix-and-match of updates. The only difference after 4 is released will be that you can buy a license without board. So you're saying that I can buy the core to use with a 3rd-party APP only? No board, downloads, etc.? No combined sale? In a pre-sales topic, that you were a part of, Brandon already clarified things about that. We are not planning, at this time, to sell the core without any apps. You will need to purchase at least one app along with the core. I'm sure we will post more about this as it gets closer to 4.0 release (and if this changes, we will of course clarify that at the time). You'll be required to buy at least one app, it just doesn't have to be IP.Board. Nice try though. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ian Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 From Brandon's blog - (my bold) We are also working towards making all of our applications more consistent. The approach to this actually has much more to do with planning and how we approach new functionality than it does any specific technical aspect of software development. In a nutshell, we will have one "suite" release moving forward starting at 4.0. Every application will be on the same versioning system and share the same version number, and every release will include every application (although you will only have access to the applications you have purchased, of course). What we will do as we implement new features is implement new functionality suite-wide from the start. If we were to add a new feature to 4.0, we would not add the functionality to the forums and then roll this change out to other applications as they see updates. Instead, we will be implementing changes suite-wide from the start, which has several benefits: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Management Lindy Posted March 16, 2013 Management Share Posted March 16, 2013 Okay - cool - so we can still download individual apps after 4 is out :smile: Am sure that I read that that had changed - must have misread :smile: This topic is becoming more confusing than it needs to be, in my opinion. :) You will NOT be able to download just IP.Gallery per se, unless that's ALL you purchased. You will download IPS Suite 4.0. If you purchased IP.Gallery, IP.Download and IP.Blog licenses and they are active, your download will be generated with all active products. We will no longer be developing / releasing applications independent of each other. In regards to the licensing, I see many references to renewals for "support." While support is part of the renewal, that is no longer the primary role of renewals. While we do not and would not actively force you to cease use of the product if you choose not to renew, you're going to be at a disadvantage if you choose to continue using a product but not renew it. You will no longer have access to upgrades, hosted / hybrid addons such as spam monitoring, cdn, etc., technical support and more. Because the suite will be unified, if you are using IP.Blog and choose not to renew it, there's a chance you would either need to uninstall blog or not upgrade the rest of the suite. Before the conspiracy theorists get hold of this :lol: I would like to clarify that this new direction is not intended as a cash grab method, but to answer the calls for more solid and seamless integration across the platform and product line. We cannot do this if we have to be absolute mindful of IP Gallery 5.0 with IP.Board 3.3 and IP.Downloads 2.x. A great amount of support is spent on supporting a minority who choose not to renew an app, but upgrade IP.Board then find the app no longer works properly. We are going to roll forward not with individual apps, but an entire platform for which to build your presence upon. We do understand that a select few who stagger their renewals may be disappointed and we do empathize. The majority of our customers, however, will agree that this is a positive direction that awards more flexibility and potential with the product line and greatly simplifies billing for the average customer -- including businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 16, 2013 Share Posted March 16, 2013 From Brandon's blog - (my bold) As in, every application will be updated. Otherwise, including every app as part of the download would make the download huge for someone who only purchased IP.Blog, for example. The download to have every app, with the only limitation being whether or not it's enabled via the license? That would be a hackers dream come true, because that would be easy enough to tweak so everything is activated. My take on it is this. Every app is included in the release, not included in every download. Your download only includes what you have access to, but nothing more. Read it again, "Every application will be on the same versioning system and share the same version number, and every release will include every application..." That's each release not each download. Also read, "(although you will only have access to the applications you have purchased, of course)." Why would you be able to download something you don't have access to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarber Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Regarding the download and the line quoted from the blog entry I wrote - what was meant by that is when we release 4.0.2 or 4.1.0 or any other version, all applications will be updated. As Lindy said, we won't be staggering application releases, and the primary reason for this is to ensure a much, much higher integrated experience. Often we may want to add a new feature to Gallery (random example) that requires a change in Board (random example), or perhaps we want to improve how Gallery albums are integrated into Blog entries (again, all random examples) - when changes like this span across multiple products, this becomes very difficult and often requires us to wait through several versions until we can ensure compatibility. With a "single release", we can do a lot more than we can now in terms of integrated functionality, which will benefit everyone. Your actual zip file that is downloaded will only contain the products you have active licenses for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ian Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 okay - thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve00 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 If you go to the "purchases" area of the client area you can already generate a single download. Wow, never knew that, been d/loading invidually A lot faster to d/load all in one than it was individually. Thank you to whoever decided on that idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimace` Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Wow, never knew that, been d/loading invidually I'm fairly sure that feature only happened a couple of months ago! :x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Wow, never knew that, been d/loading invidually A lot faster to d/load all in one than it was individually. Thank you to whoever decided on that idea I'm fairly sure that feature only happened a couple of months ago! :x Been like that since at least January, most likely before that though. Read below... Look at the date. ;) For taking the time to make it easier to download the suite yourself as well as the automated:" alt="suite.png"> I had apparently missed it. :blush: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve00 Posted April 3, 2013 Share Posted April 3, 2013 Been like that since at least January, most likely before that though. Read below... Look at the date. ;) Well at least I wasn't the only one who didn't know about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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