Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I've been wondering about this ever since I first saw the hook but never thought anything about asking IPS Support about it but I'll ask here. Without being too specific, I'll try to explain the situation without highlighting the hook or the issues regarding it, which I can further elaborate in throughout a Support Ticket. I had noticed that a particular hook that has been made available in the marketplace could potentially open up a lot of IPS customers to some serious consequences where it involves the recent seizure of domain name seizures regarding the linking to media content. While my post about this is a support topic was removed, if a particular hook has the possibility of exposing IPS customers to their websites being seized, would IPS consider the ramifications of providing an add-on via the marketplace if it had the potential of websites or someone's domain name being seized? I can elaborate further on this but I wanted to pose this to everyone here before elaborating further on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSNation Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 What? Please elaborate on this. Pretty shocking and I hope IPS would intervene!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I'm sure they would consider it, but you should take this up with one of the Marketplace moderators or management directly. I don't see what you're referring to, though. The only things that could really warrant an ICE domain seizure are child pornography and high-profile piracy or streaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhett Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Linking to content is not illegal, you might be a little confused, hosting the content is however illegal. I'm not talking about torrents though as that's a whole new class of laws etc concerning them. I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about, but if there is an issue you need to either point it out to IPS or tell us what you are talking about specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 It has to do with the mod that allows you to display music in your forum profile and videos in your profile. I've been watching the drama play out between the entertainment industry and their copyright law against websites, not just the file sharing websites. Courts have been siding with the entertainment industry that merely linking or embedding to music or video content is copyright infringement and ICE has been seizing websites and website domains without a court order. Techdirt, Arstechnica and Torrentfreak have been reporting on this for the past few years. Matter of fact, just recently, earlier this year, ICE seized 80+ websites for simply linking to such content. Rojadirecta, a Spanish website had gotten caught up in this mess and I just hate to see anyone here get caught up in that and I needed some advice on how to present this to IPS Support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Linking to content is not illegal, you might be a little confused, hosting the content is however illegal. I'm not talking about torrents though as that's a whole new class of laws etc concerning them. I'm not sure what exactly you are talking about, but if there is an issue you need to either point it out to IPS or tell us what you are talking about specifically. While I would be willing to agree with you on that one, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement doesn't take that view. I don't want to turn this into a debate but ask for advice on how to either alert everyone here about this or possibly refer this to IPS for their input. I'm just aware of what's been happening in legal circles and was just now compelled to inform everyone here who uses these particular add-ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy T Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Sounds like the same type of issue that comes up with the radio mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhett Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 BFD I say.... to each their own... things are only illegal if you use them in an illegal way. No need to start a panic imo, each domain owner is responsible for their own actions, this has nothing to do with IPS or the members here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 It has to do with the mod that allows you to display music in your forum profile and videos in your profile. I've been watching the drama play out between the entertainment industry and their copyright law against websites, not just the file sharing websites. Courts have been siding with the entertainment industry that merely linking or embedding to music or video content is copyright infringement and ICE has been seizing websites and website domains without a court order. Techdirt, Arstechnica and Torrentfreak have been reporting on this for the past few years. But that plugin doesn't add anything you couldn't already do with BBCodes; just a slightly different location and process. I suppose we should do away with the media BBCode in its entirety as well? Well, I'm done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhett Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 But that plugindoesn't add anything you couldn't already do with BBCodes; just a slightly different location and process. I suppose we should do away with the media BBCode in its entirety as well? lmao I can start a porn forum too and open it to the public.... we better just shut down IPS I think.. as that's not right.... haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Ryan, like I said, my post in the support topic that was deleted wasn't meant to stir up a controversial debate but rather to alert those who might be using it. While some of my posts may make me sound a little out in the boondocks, my only concern was in letting everyone know about this domain name seizures regarding the linking to the content. While I've been guilty of it myself, to some point on my forums, I've started to become much more observant at the content being posted on my forums. I won't say that this issue will always come up, it probably will. I'd just hate to see someone get caught up in the drama that this involves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhett Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Follow the rules and laws and you have nothing to worry about, it's all pretty simple. While I understand your concern, again it has noting to do with IPS or the members here, and has everything to do with how every domain owner runs that domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor T Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Ryan, like I said, my post in the support topic that was deleted wasn't meant to stir up a controversial debate but rather to alert those who might be using it. While some of my posts may make me sound a little out in the boondocks, my only concern was in letting everyone know about this domain name seizures regarding the linking to the content. I don't know how you do it. Every post you make, some how does stir up debate. Your tone in your posts make you seem like your always right. Point being, none of this has to do with IPS or the members. Your concern is valid, but just in the wrong place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Like I said, this time around, my intent wasn't to stir debate but to point out a problem that could arise from the use of this particular add-on. I've always though that a little knowledge isn't harmful if it helps you avoid possible problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat Barrie Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Perhaps the more appropriate course of action would be to PM the author and suggest they add a note on the download description advising you not to use it to display copyrighted content which you are not authorised to do so? Not sure if a similar warning is on Anthony's radio app. I don't see how IPS should care about this to be honest. Same way Apple doesn't care about the apps that can be used to record radio on the iTunes app store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimdock Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Nah, this has nothing with IPS. By that logic we should remove the ability to post links as they may link to inappropriate use of copyrighted material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcher Technologies Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 I don't know how you do it. Every post you make, some how does stir up debate. Your tone in your posts make you seem like your always right. Point being, none of this has to do with IPS or the members. Your concern is valid, but just in the wrong place. Agreed. Like I said, this time around, my intent wasn't to stir debate but to point out a problem that could arise from the use of this particular add-on. I've always though that a little knowledge isn't harmful if it helps you avoid possible problems. I'm calling BS Tanaka, if this wasn't an attempt to start a debate, why post it in a publicly accessible Feedback Forum when it very simply is not Feedback, no matter how one slices it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 What brought that on, Marcher? I was just asking for how to address this with IPS and you're offended that I was looking for advice on how to bring this up with IPS Support? Someone has really fallen off the tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcher Technologies Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 What brought that on, Marcher? I was just asking for how to address this with IPS and you're offended that I was looking for advice on how to bring this up with IPS Support? Someone has really fallen off the tree. Not so, very simply this is 100% not the right place, by intentionally posting this topic in this feedback forum, you quite clearly had an intent to start a ruckus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan H. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Guys, try to be nice. This is no place to bicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhett Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 <thread talking here>"please close me"</thread talking here> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Guys, try to be nice. This is no place to bicker. Thanks, Ryan. It never hurts to be cautious about certain add-ons that have been provided. I'm just going to ignore Marcher. His post didn't add to the conversation and I did try to post this concern in the Support topic for the mod yet someone deleted it. This was the only place I could find to discuss it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin S. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 As someone else mentioned - you can only stretch the "what if" questions so far. What if this car I am selling to someone could be used to rob a bank? In theory, someone could use IP.Board to post illegal content, but that doesn't make IP.Board illegal. We don't police the marketplace on the terms of "This could be used for something illegal" - because there are dozens of legal uses for it as well. Just because it could be used for a bad reason doesn't mean it will be. At the end of the day, it's the customers choice how they will and will not use an application. If you feel that a certain application has a potential legal issue, don't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rheddy Posted August 6, 2011 Author Share Posted August 6, 2011 Collin, the "display music" in profile IS an add-on for linking to such content and I would simply say that it just strikes me as odd that IPS would allow such infringing add-ons. So, bringing this to IPS' attention would or wouldn't be taken seriously then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin S. Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Collin, the "display music" in profile IS an add-on for linking to such content and I would simply say that it just strikes me as odd that IPS would allow such infringing add-ons. So, bringing this to IPS' attention would or wouldn't be taken seriously then? What if my forum is for artists and bands to share their music? What if my forum is for new guitar players? Like I said - it is not our job to tell people what they can and cannot do with an addon. There are perfectly legal uses for such applications, and by assuming the worst out of everything, you only bring more light to what "bad" could happen, while ignoring the good. YouTube is used to share copyrighted clips all the time, but that doesn't mean we are going to ban the youtube BBcode, is it? Just because something can be used illegally, doesn't mean it will be, and it's not our job to say that about 3rd party applications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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