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Syntactic sugar. As we haven't actually written anything for tagging, I used "we're right to wait". That doesn't mean that we're going to wait until another release. Quite simply, we have a time based target for 3.2 and we want to complete other more urgent items first.

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Syntactic sugar. As we haven't actually written anything for tagging, I used "we're right to wait". That doesn't mean that we're going to wait until another release. Quite simply, we have a time based target for 3.2 and we want to complete other more urgent items first.




Well then I'll keep my fingers crossed.

Please understand, I truly love your software, it's so great... there are just a few points missing I don't wanna add myself (or can't because of lack of time and inconsistency with your updates). That's why I'm here, that's why I'm fighting to be heard, because I love it.

(Btw. looking forward to the next IP. Content release. Hopefully it's a bit easier to understand for "non administrators" then, especially the adding of news/sites.)
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And it has been.

There is no conspiracy. We have internally discussed tagging for years and it's been attached to our internal milestones on virtually every single major release. I consider this "in the works".

We try and provide as much information as we can about our development processes and we try to remain as transparent as we can. This means that sometimes we discuss things in public that aren't set in stone. That's the nature of software development. Deadlines and other priorities mean that things slip. This is also the nature of software development.

I get the feeling that you're being particularly negative. We may not always see eye-to-eye with every single customer but we always want to do the best we can and work with our community to build the best products we're capable of.

We're certainly not perfect but we never set out to deceive or aggravate anyone. We have to balance the wants and needs of many different customers with our products and that's not always an easy task. :)

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And it has been.



There is no conspiracy. We have internally discussed tagging for years and it's been attached to our internal milestones on virtually every single major release. I consider this "in the works".




I guess highlighted words causes more confusion. :P

When you guys say, "in the work" people think it will be released/added sooner or later in the next release or so. ;)
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To a lot of people "in the work" means code has actually been written for it. Which is how I took it the first time I was told that. I do hope a tagging system at least gets put in the works soon as I am in need of it to save me a lot of time when using the Ip.content.

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Haven't thought much about it, but here are my first thoughts. I might come back later, will there be time for me to ask users on our forums what they think it should be like aswell?

I think tags primarily should be for topics. You will add tags separated by a comma or something and when you click on the tag you will get a list of other topics tagged the same. It should also be possible to search based on more than one tag. So let's say you want to find topics tagged both "banana" and "carrot" - it would be easily possible.

These are the permissions I wish:
Global: Which groups can add tags from topics? (Topic starters should be included as a "group" in the list) <-- might be per forum setting?
Global: Which groups can remove tags from topics? (Topic starters should be included as a "group" in the list) <-- might be per forum setting?
Forum settings/Global: Enable tags in all forums? / Or choose forums to enable tags in (should be multi-choice)
Global: Specify time to allow taggers to remove their own tag (minutes): If they have a typo or something, could be 10 minutes by default, they will then be able to remove their own tags within the specified timeframe even though they are not allowed to globally remove tags. Set to -1 to make it unlimited and 0 to not make it allowed to remove own tags.

In my opinion there is no need to be able to edit/change tags, since they aren't likely to be very long. The possibillity to add and remove tags will be enough.

Should maybe also be some limitations to avoid "tag spamming"?

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This is my personal preference list. YMMV.

1. I think it was Matt who brought this up before - option for admins to preset tags, and users being restricted to selecting tags from that preset list. I have a community where we get to deal with a lot of frustrated\scared\angry users (we do victim support), and allowing them free reign over adding tags is a recipe for disaster. At the same time, admins cannot tag all the posts due to sheer daily volume. I'd like to see if giving users a preset list would result in at least half of the posts being reasonably well tagged.

2. I have no idea how feasible the following idea is, but here goes anyway - setting tag groups per Board category or Articles\Database category. Building on the premise from above (users can only select from a provided set), if a user posts in a forum about bank robberies, he gets shown only tags that the admins set as relevant for the category the user is posting in. If a users posts in a forum that's about online crime, he gets the "online crime" tag set to pick from.

3. Tags available per application, with an on\off switch. For those who either love\abhor tags 100% - a master switch.

4. Cross application tagging. Click on tag - > get shown all content, suite wide, that carries the same tag. Preferably on a pretty page, split per application.

5. A tag cloud Block would be lovely.

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