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Posted June 23, 200816 yr It is unacceptable that some IPS resources are paid downloads, for skins, mods, ETC. I do not agree with this, because I pay my license fee every 6 months to continue MY access to support, downloads, and more, and I should not have to pay for something that isn't even an IPS product. If authors want to post there paid skins its fine, just not in my resources section, maybe there could be a download category for paid products, but I think it is 100% unacceptable either way.
June 23, 200816 yr You don't have to pay for something that isn't an IPS product, you just don't get to download the resource if you don't buy it. And if it's unacceptable either way, then what is acceptable? :unsure:
June 23, 200816 yr You don't have to pay for something that isn't an IPS product, you just don't get to download the resource if you don't buy it. And if it's unacceptable either way, then what is acceptable? :unsure: It means there should be no paid resources.
June 23, 200816 yr It is not IPS charging, it is the modification creator. If they feel they want to charge for their hard work, they can now do so with the new system. It does not mean there will be no free modifications. In any case, IPS is not making you pay anymore money. You would be paying for additional third-party tools/mods/plugins. Paid modifications always existed, now there is just a simple way to find free and paid mods in one location.
June 23, 200816 yr It is not IPS charging, it is the modification creator. If they feel they want to charge for their hard work, they can now do so with the new system. It does not mean there will be no free modifications. In any case, IPS is not making you pay anymore money. You would be paying for additional third-party tools/mods/plugins. Paid modifications always existed, now there is just a simple way to find free and paid mods in one location. I agree with this. I see nothing wrong if the mod authors place there for downloads paid mods or themes. It is very simple, if someone wants to buy them, he/she can do so. The same goes if someone doesn''t want to buy them. No-one forces no-one to buy anything :)
June 23, 200816 yr These mods you are talking about have always been paid - you may not have known about them however because we didn't allow them to be submitted to our site. All the new system does is give these mod authors a little more exposure.
June 23, 200816 yr Hmmm Interesting debate.... I can understand Zachary's point of view. I think the authors of the mods should get paid but I can also see some people getting annoyed paying their licensing fees and then getting asked for money again. (in the official resource section) Maybe the solution would be to make another section for paid mods. Either way I am ok with it because in the end the modders are the guys with their finger on the beat and they are single handedly responsible for some of the best features. I remember talking to the guy who first made fast reply, at the time it was cutting edge and the author deserved compensation.
June 23, 200816 yr I fully understand your point and I agree to some degree. Creating a paid mods category would require someone doing the tedious work of setting up it to match the regular one, but then again your not gonna go browsing through the paid category unless you want something, ect. I think the idea of the $ symbol is enough for now, maybe in the future one for open source modifications that developers want multiple people to improve, who knows where this could go doesn't have to be restricted to paid stuff? Back on topic, normally for paid products you have to see the authors website, or know about them ect, I think it will help out developers to be able to show off works in such a highly trafficked area.
June 23, 200816 yr Since this feature was just introduced, I think it should be understandable that users who already had paid mods like this might be flooding the system a little bit (guilty as charged! I wanted to get these all in there so I can focus on other things on my own ToDo list), and that some little tweaking might be needed here and there eventually to make it so people who don't want to see paid resources, ever, don't have to. But this feedback could have been given in a more mature manner, with a lot less hyperbole, and it would have been more effective.
June 23, 200816 yr I just had a great idea that would solve this easily Basically its just a search looking for modifications right? ie you can search by author etc. Why not just put an option to hide paid mods.... easy and only the people interested need to look at them. Edit: Sorry Michael you kind of beat me to that while I was posting. PS. Personally you are my favorite author and I don't think anyone could ever look at your work in a negative way. You have helped me out many times and I'm sure a ton of people feel the same.
June 23, 200816 yr Since this feature was just introduced, I think it should be understandable that users who already had paid mods like this might be flooding the system a little bit (guilty as charged! I wanted to get these all in there so I can focus on other things on my own ToDo list), and that some little tweaking might be needed here and there eventually to make it so people who don't want to see paid resources, ever, don't have to. But this feedback could have been given in a more mature manner, with a lot less hyperbole, and it would have been more effective. Agreed. I personally don't mind this feature the way it is at the moment. If your looking for a modification, and a Paid one comes up in a search, I would like to look at it to see if it better suits my needs than a free one!
June 24, 200816 yr I don't mind paying a few bucks for people's hard work. Some people just want everything for free.
June 24, 200816 yr I don't mind paying a few bucks for people's hard work. Some people just want everything for free. Agreed. All IPS are doing is allowing paid-modifications to be listed as well as free ones, giving members all the available options, potentially saving them having to spend valuable time searching the web for paid modifications that might not exist. You are damned if you do, damned if you don't. I think it is a brilliant system, well played IPS ;)
June 24, 200816 yr Why not just put an option to hide paid mods.... easy and only the people interested need to look at them. Heh, they're way ahead of you- you could do that from the moment it was set up!
June 24, 200816 yr There is a filter at the bottom of the category listing (and available on the advanced search page) to show both, only free, and only paid. If you don't want to see paid mods you CAN filter them out. :) We'll consider a usercp setting in the future so you can change the filter default (which is to show both). The problem is, there are literally hundreds of awesome modifications out there that people request all the time, but they're paid. The authors can't list them on the resource site, so people don't even know they exist. All we wanted to do was help get that exposure out there a little more. If a mod author wants to show off a paid mod they can. You can see right in the listing that it's paid and how much it costs, so if you aren't interested just skip it. It doesn't hurt to SEE that the paid mod exists. No one is making you buy it. Then if you can't find a suitable free mod, at least you have an option available. :)
June 24, 200816 yr All I can say is: WELL DONE IPS for finally adding this option! Sometimes I have to waste dozens of hours finding mods that are not listed anywhere and that
June 24, 200816 yr Its been there since launch, when we were discussing this internally a while back (Updates to IPSR in general) this was one of the most talked about things. Most people don't see paid resources because places like here, or Invisionize, don't allow paid modifications to be posted, so its really hard for a author to showcase their work. This option allows modification authors to showcase their work, IPS does not charge or take any of the money away from this, its like a free advertising system. Seeing how it goes, we may need to (if the demand is high enough), implement a cookie or similar to remember if you don't want paid mods to show, maybe an option in the CP would work.
June 24, 200816 yr I see some peoples point. But I have changed MY mind a bit and its okay to have paid mods @ IPS resources, I am just a bit angered that they are mixed in with my results. I think like I said before there should be a seperate category. Its just I could be using another forum system, But I like the support, resources access, and featured of IPB. I just don't like the idea of having to pay more money for modifications on the OFFICIAL IPS resource site, when I am shelling out twice a year for a renewal.
June 24, 200816 yr Its nice to know its okay to allow paid mods now, thats settled :lol: But your point about the official resource site is just that, its an official site. The whole idea we went ahead with the paid resource stuff in the update was so paid modifications got more viewing, other popular sites don't allow paid mods to be submitted, so authors have a hard time of finding a good advertisement area, which is why the official IPS area is a great place to allow paid modifications. As always, we did add a filter, if you don't want paid modifications showing, just choose to only show free mods from the bottom of the page ;)
June 24, 200816 yr I see some peoples point. But I have changed MY mind a bit and its okay to have paid mods @ IPS resources, I am just a bit angered that they are mixed in with my results. I think like I said before there should be a seperate category. 1) Having a single separate category for paid mods would make it hard to find what you are looking for (when figuring skins, different IPB versions, and so on). 2) It's unrealistic to entirely duplicate our category structure for the paid mods that will be submitted to provide proper categorization 3) If users have to look at "free" mods and then "paid" mods you end up with the same problem as before. There's a lot of great stuff out there that people don't know about cuz they don't know how or where to look. I think adding a user-selectable filter so YOU can strip them out on an individual basis, while allowing them to show for those that are interested in seeing them is a better option myself.Its just I could be using another forum system, But I like the support, resources access, and featured of IPB. I just don't like the idea of having to pay more money for modifications on the OFFICIAL IPS resource site, when I am shelling out twice a year for a renewal. You don't have to pay any more money for modifications. You just don't get those modifications. This is no different than before...those mods, as I said, have always been paid, so you would have never got them if you didn't purchase them.
June 24, 200816 yr If authors want to post there paid skins its fine, just not in my resources section, maybe there could be a download category for paid products, but I think it is 100% unacceptable either way. No offense but what makes it YOUR resources section? i don't see it being a problem that developers want to offer something thats not just a 2 second file edit and charge for it some of these paid mods take some time to create and test so its only right they be allowed to charge for it and now IPS has been gracious enough to allow it in the resources which last time i checked mods and skins were resources, i could understand the problem if all of a sudden you logged into your client area to see an advert for a paid resource than yeah i can understand the problem. Just my 2 cents
June 24, 200816 yr No offense but what makes it YOUR resources section? Sorry to interject here but..... It is also MY resource section, it belongs to everyone who pays the membership, so I don't think you should be too hard on Zachary. Remember that without clients there is no resource section, its no different from me leasing a car. It is my car until I stop paying the lease. In this case the resource section is shared by everyone but single individuals make up the whole.
June 24, 200816 yr Its actually IPS' resource site all we do is get access to it and download/upload if it was OURS or MY like you state than you would be able to administer the site, im not trying to turn this into an argument but stating that the site belongs to US is ridiculous..
June 24, 200816 yr Its nice to know its okay to allow paid mods now, thats settled :lol: But your point about the official resource site is just that, its an official site. The whole idea we went ahead with the paid resource stuff in the update was so paid modifications got more viewing, other popular sites don't allow paid mods to be submitted, so authors have a hard time of finding a good advertisement area, which is why the official IPS area is a great place to allow paid modifications. As always, we did add a filter, if you don't want paid modifications showing, just choose to only show free mods from the bottom of the page ;) I'm fine with paid modifications. I'm just glad you can filter them out, because some of the paid mods can be tempting *cough*communityseo*cough* :P
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