I would like to see an onsite screen reader built into the board for the mebers that are visual problems

Browsers and OS's do this. This is out of scope for a forum software imo.

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Again this is uneeded, Digi is totally right.

1) OS can do it
2) Browsers have mods that do it, and browsers to it
3) Unnecessary.

Not all of it is unnecessary. I don't think I know of any in firefox or Vista that shows the colors in like a table (like typing a post here and have to choose a color). It's not my fault i'm color-blind. It WOULD be nice though to be able to tell what is red, green, etc.

Then complain to Windows and Firefox devs, since they are obviously too worried about completely blind and deaf people. I still feel, regardless of whom is the target, a screen reader, color speaker, etc is outside the scope of forum software, especially since there are other options built in to most operating systems. That is, of course, ignoring the fact that a screen reader would require something heavy to be installed, like java...

Just my opinion as a customer. ;)

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It's not my fault i'm color-blind. It WOULD be nice though to be able to tell what is red, green, etc.

I am color blind as well, but I take it not as severe, as I can tell red and green apart.

If all else fails, you can still use the actual color name in the code.

Example:

[color=green]Text[/color]

Comes out to be: Text

Not all of it is unnecessary. I don't think I know of any in firefox or Vista that shows the colors in like a table (like typing a post here and have to choose a color). It's not my fault i'm color-blind. It WOULD be nice though to be able to tell what is red, green, etc.

Then complain to Windows and Firefox devs, since they are obviously too worried about completely blind and deaf people. I still feel, regardless of whom is the target, a screen reader, color speaker, etc is outside the scope of forum software, especially since there are other options built in to most operating systems. That is, of course, ignoring the fact that a screen reader would require something heavy to be installed, like java...

Just my opinion as a customer. ;)

Actually unless I'm misunderstanding, he is referring to the colour palette IPB gives you when you select the "A" dropdown in the post editor, it just shows blocks of colour. It isn't IE, Opera or Firefox that is doing that, it is the way IPB has it implemented. For once I agree with dlf, that is very bad. It would simply be a case of having a little floating text which states what the colour is when your mouse is over it to fix this.

Of course, a screen reader is a ridiculous request for a forum (sorry OP), but proper labelling of elements is not (i.e. not self labelling form fields and ensuring there is a fall back like the previously mentioned colour name text)

p.s. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses just because you are a customer ;)

p.s. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses just because you are a customer

When did I say otherwise? I only put that line in because people have been mistaking my signature and assuming that I am a member of IPS staff.

I'm all for proper labeling of color palette elements, but this wasn't the topic of discussion, nor disclosed by dlf as his/her objective to their post. ;)

I am color blind as well, but I take it not as severe, as I can tell red and green apart.

If all else fails, you can still use the actual color name in the code.

Example:

[color=green]Text[/color]

Comes out to be: Text

I can somewhat tell red & green writing materials (markers, color, pencils, etc) but lights (street, color-blind-test) and I do mean the color-palettes IPB gives you across the board (forum/ACP side)

Actually unless I'm misunderstanding, he is referring to the colour palette IPB gives you when you select the "A" dropdown in the post editor, it just shows blocks of colour. It isn't IE, Opera or Firefox that is doing that, it is the way IPB has it implemented. For once I agree with dlf, that is very bad. It would simply be a case of having a little floating text which states what the colour is when your mouse is over it to fix this.

Of course, a screen reader is a ridiculous request for a forum (sorry OP), but proper labelling of elements is not (i.e. not self labelling form fields and ensuring there is a fall back like the previously mentioned colour name text)

p.s. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses just because you are a customer ;)

:thumbsup: I agree. :)

When did I say otherwise? I only put that line in because people have been mistaking my signature and assuming that I am a member of IPS staff.

I'm all for proper labeling of color palette elements, but this wasn't the topic of discussion, nor disclosed by dlf as his/her objective to their post. ;)

Digi: http://www.ipsbeyond.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21776 - its posts like this, and your other one in this topic, and most feedback topics I read here where you have posted. Most posts from you I read here always seem rude, unhelpful, and some indicate that your opinion is more valid than that of other people.

Oh, right....cause me asking the opinion of the public on IPSB on how to prevent folks from taking things I write the wrong way makes me a bad person? I've posted nothing that says that my opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else's. I'm not rude (though blunt can sometimes be considered rude), I'm not unhelpful (check it...42% of all posts [used to be 65% but people have been slowly pushing me away] in IPB assistance). Just because I have strong opinions about topics does not mean that I am how you portray me. :unsure:

When did I say otherwise? I only put that line in because people have been mistaking my signature and assuming that I am a member of IPS staff.

Well saying "I'm a customer" like that seems to come across as "I'm a customer so I am more important!", I'm sorry if that is not was intended.

I'm all for proper labeling of color palette elements, but this wasn't the topic of discussion, nor disclosed by dlf as his/her objective to their post. ;)

Well I understood what he meant :P

Digi:

http://www.ipsbeyond.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=21776

- its posts like this, and your other one in this topic, and most feedback topics I read here where you have posted. Most posts from you I read here always seem rude, unhelpful, and some indicate that your opinion is more valid than that of other people.

Oh, right....cause me asking the opinion of the public on IPSB on how to prevent folks from taking things I write the wrong way makes me a bad person? I've posted nothing that says that my opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else's. I'm not rude (though blunt can sometimes be considered rude), I'm not unhelpful (check it...42% of all posts [used to be 65% but people have been slowly pushing me away] in IPB assistance). Just because I have strong opinions about topics does not mean that I am how you portray me. :unsure:

Wooo wooo woo, the pair of you, no need to turn this in to a 'Barneys Girlfriend'fest it was just a simple misunderstanding.

Oh, right....cause me asking the opinion of the public on IPSB on how to prevent folks from taking things I write the wrong way makes me a bad person? I've posted nothing that says that my opinion is more worthwhile than anyone else's. I'm not rude (though blunt can sometimes be considered rude), I'm not unhelpful (check it...42% of all posts [used to be 65% but people have been slowly pushing me away] in IPB assistance). Just because I have strong opinions about topics does not mean that I am how you portray me. :unsure:

You misunderstand what I was getting at there, so sorry about that :)
You asked in that topic why you get this flack over here, well when I read things like your replies in this topic, that is why I think you get the flack. By unhelpful I also meant here, not on IPSB. I probably should have explained what I meant better, as you have not understood my intentsions, so I apologies for that.

It all depends on how you read a topic/post. The simplest of statements can be read just that slight difference and cause a "fight"

I worked in adaptive technology for years, coming up with specific technological solutions for people with disabilities.

IPB has done their part accessible to individuals with contrast and color issues by allowing multiple themes to be used. If they are employed or not is up to the individual webmaster.

The use of tables makes it hard for screenreaders still.

Generally though this is a problem that is solved on the client end. You can elect to use your own stylesheet in your browser, which is what I'd do if i were you. You can also adjust the color settings on your monitor. There is probobly a firefox plugin that could help. If not, check greasmonkey scripts as well.

http://www.greasespot.net/

Some accessibility info, including links to web design for the color blind:
http://trace.wisc.edu/world/web/

MIT accessibility guidelines (much less complicated than w3c)

http://web.mit.edu/atic/www/accessibility/developweb.html

I promise, you don't want to use a screen reader if you don't have to. As part of my training I had to learn to navigate the web with the monitor turned off and it's a pain in the ass.