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[MindTooth]

I just wondered if there were a tread with collection of all statements made p

[Mark]

No, I don't think they have started IPB3 yet - all we know is error reporting will be improved, there will be a new skin, and a feature called 'private topics' - I think that's about it.

[C_ind]

In the bugtracker there are some reports classified as 'flagged for future versions', there's a possibility some of those may be part of v3 as well. Is it clear that there will be a v3 before a v2.3 though?

[Jaggi]

and a hooks system!!!

[MindTooth]

Thank you for the replies =D

[bfarber]

We have not released a formal expected feature set - nor will we likely. Has happened in the past that some ideas get borrowed before we've fully implemented them, so sometimes we like to sit on the ideas until they're ready. :)

[Guest]

and a hooks system!!!

i certainly hope so.

on the other hand i also heared rumors they were going to release it encoded only, i certainly hope that is not the case...

[UBERHOST.NET]

A Google search may yield some good results.

[Mark]

i certainly hope so.

on the other hand i also heared rumors they were going to release it encoded only, i certainly hope that is not the case...

The forum is now hidden so I can't get the link, but Lindy once said "All future IPS products will be encoded" - I'm not sure if that includes IPB3, or just IP.Dynamic, Nexus, Vectura and Converge.

[Working4computers]

I don't understand why encoding is such a problem. Many companies do it, IPS has introduced a system which allows you to add modifications onto the board without the need to edit source files, so I don't get why it isn't used to its full advantage.

I believe IPS are going to get "tougher" with piracy and illegal products, wouldn't encoding help?

Nexus and Converge I would assume to be encoded, because they deal with secure information, and when Vectura is developed again, maybe that'll be encoded also.

[Guest]

I believe IPS are going to get "tougher" with piracy and illegal products, wouldn't encoding help?

nope pirates don't care about sh**

I would like to see a figure of how many of the boards that get reported as a pirate board actually get shut down by ips afterwards.

[C_ind]

I don't understand why encoding is such a problem. Many companies do it, IPS has introduced a system which allows you to add modifications onto the board without the need to edit source files, so I don't get why it isn't used to its full advantage.

I believe IPS are going to get "tougher" with piracy and illegal products, wouldn't encoding help?

Nexus and Converge I would assume to be encoded, because they deal with secure information, and when Vectura is developed again, maybe that'll be encoded also.

Encoding is a problem if you've already bought and invested time in a product that you thought wouldn't be encoded. We'd never have gone for IPB it was encoded, and we needed to make mods in advance before we converted so we could keep some features. If it's encoded from the start, then that's less problematic, you know what you get.

There are frequently small and big problems with IPB, often you hear about the solutions to them on IPSB first or you can investigate and solve it yourself. With encoded files, then we'd have to wait for official help.

The present system where you can add components to the board that doesn't necessarily edit source files, depends on the coders (modders) having access to the source files so they can write meaningful code that interacts with existing functions. The documentation is not good enough to compensate for direct access. There are LOTS of modifications that would be impossible without source edits, that can't be done with components, even if you could read the code and figure everything out. And I also think that too much is expected of a future hooks system.

[bfarber]

Firstly, no decision has been made on when or if IP.Board will be encoded. And we haven't even begun v3.x yet, so I think it's premature to worry about this. However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of some version being encoded in the future.

We wouldn't, however, do this until we had extended and useful documentation, as well as a full hooks system so that everything you can do now (or at least nearly of course) would be possible without modifying the files.

[UBERHOST.NET]

Apparently no one realizes the benefits to us, the purchasers of forum-ware, if encoding becomes a reality.

[Guest]

there's no benefit, there's at most a false sense of feel of security.

[UBERHOST.NET]

there's no benefit, there's at most a

false sense

of feel of security.

The benefit to us is the competition this would create IF it ever came to be. :lol:

[Jaggi]

Firstly, no decision has been made on when or if IP.Board will be encoded. And we haven't even begun v3.x yet, so I think it's premature to worry about this. However, I wouldn't rule out the possibility of

some version

being encoded in the future.

We wouldn't, however, do this until we had extended and useful documentation, as well as a full hooks system so that everything you can do now (or at least nearly of course) would be possible without modifying the files.

when i do modding i need to modify some source files and even with a full hooks system i can bet you don't cover everything which would be detrimental to your product as it would seriously cut down the amount of mods made for ipb. Also i like to look at existing ipb code so i can code my own to follow its standard as closely as possible making it as seemless as possible, If you did begin to encode final versions of ipb i would VERY serious consider whether to continue using this product and i'm sure many agree with me.

[bfarber]

Chill chill LOL. I didn't say we were going to encode anything. I just said that it is always a possibility - as it is with any php software really. Just because it is not encoded one day doesn't mean it will stay that way indefinitely.

And just to clear the air before it comes up, I've been told of no such plans, nor do I suspect it is happening in the immediate future. ;)

[Alex]

If a good hooks system was implemented (One that covered 99.9% of stuff for modifications), then I would be all for a future encoded version of IPB, however alot of coders out there, use existing code from e.g. topics.php, for there mods. Would be hard if it was encoded :)

[Guest]

I don't know why you connect a good hooks system to a benefit of encoding. besides the fact that i don't see a benefit (enlighten me), vbulletin has had a good hooks system for years and they don't even think about encoding their product.

MediaWiki also has a good hooks system, but there are always situations where the hooks available doesn't suffice for the implementation need - the developer of the product can foresee common insertion points, but it's impossible to foresse a hook on every possible insertion point in the code for a modder"s need.

[Jaggi]

Chill chill LOL. I didn't say we were going to encode anything. I just said that it is always a possibility - as it is with any php software really. Just because it is not encoded one day doesn't mean it will stay that way indefinitely.

And just to clear the air before it comes up, I've been told of no such plans, nor do I suspect it is happening in the immediate future. ;)

don't worry bfarber we're just concentrating on creating a barrier of negativity on the subject so nightmares of this thread will haunt you in the future if you ever consider encoding ipb :P.

[FrostedPopTart]

Some mods will require file edits to work properly, so I hope that this doesn't happen. :( A lot don't but some do, such as Dean's shoutbox for instance.

[Guest]

don't worry bfarber we're just concentrating on creating a barrier of negativity on the subject so nightmares of this thread will haunt you in the future if you ever consider encoding ipb :P .

heh heh :thumbsup:

seconded :)