cam drysdale Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 I love IPB, but it should be kept as a community software, theirs too much stuff that should be external, for instance IPS have a download center, wiki, linking system, yet they are all intergrated within IPB, that means say your website is:http://forums.domain.com then your site downloads would be http://forums.domain.com/?automodule=downloads I think that the component system should only be used for COMMUNITY components and other features like downloads should added using a component system in IP Converger, this would allow a more realistic approach to the structure of a website using IPB. Otherwise people are going to have a whole website powered via IPB, which is not the idea, a website should be powered by say IPD, and have IPB as the community side. Anyone else agree??? P.S --> What about renaming IPB to Invison Community Suite and having the blog and chat only! and then moving the gallery, ineo, downloads, links as add-ons for IPD and then using IPC as a way of linking everything! THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarber Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 You're a little ahead of yourself. ;) None of the Dynamic/Converge apps are ready yet. When they are, likely the existing plugins will be ported to work with Dynamic. We can't say that for sure until then. However, I don't see a reason to deny a user the ability to use the download manager, or gallery, with just IPB if they wanted to - Dynamic is not going to be for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam drysdale Posted June 14, 2006 Share Posted June 14, 2006 When they are, likely the existing plugins will be ported to work with Dynamic. We can't say that for sure until then. This is something i would consider essential, its too good an opportunity to miss.However, I don't see a reason to deny a user the ability to use the download manager, or gallery, with just IPB if they wanted to - Dynamic is not going to be for everyone. Maybe not, but with the way IPB is going, you could run your website using just IPB, using IPB portal as the front page displaying lots of content and stuff and linking with the plugins. I'm just saying that maybe all these great ideas IPS has come up with should be directed more towards IPC than IPB. In other words allow people to use natively without IPB if wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoruglu Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 You have always been abble to build a whole website out of an IPB... It has everything you need to extend on it: user authentication, member permissions, cookie functionality, etc... All the basic stuff that any script has is built-in ready to be extended on. In the way the code is written, it has always been easy to do so as well: just add your own files, add your own actions to the action array and you're done... So I don't seewhat you'recomplaining about: IPB has always been a "potential CMS"... Not a "real" CMS of course, because there is a lot more to a CMS then that, I know, but I hope you see my point ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam drysdale Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 You have always been abble to build a whole website out of an IPB... It has everything you need to extend on it: user authentication, member permissions, cookie functionality, etc... All the basic stuff that any script has is built-in ready to be extended on. In the way the code is written, it has always been easy to do so as well: just add your own files, add your own actions to the action array and you're done... So I don't seewhat you'recomplaining about: IPB has always been a "potential CMS"... Not a "real" CMS of course, because there is a lot more to a CMS then that, I know, but I hope you see my point ;) Yes its cool that IPB is powerful enough to be a mini CMS, but i think that the plugins such as Gallery, Downloads, and Ineo should be available natatively from IPB, its just weird to have to go to my website forums to access downloads, or view an image. I personally feel that they should plugin to IP.Converge and NOT IPB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I don't know about the other components, but I know for sure that we're planning on porting Ineo to work with IPDynamic when it's ready to do so. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam drysdale Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 ^ sounds good, i was wanting to use Ineo as a support and as well as a knowledge base for developers. if its just on IPB then i'd have to install 2 IPB's if its native, then i could install multiple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfarber Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 One thing you have to remember - IP Converge is ONLY an authentication framework - it's not designed to have plugins exactly - only to manage your authentication against remote sites. Now, the plugins like Gallery and Ineo and Downloads (the last 2 not even being released for IPB yet), would need to develop standalone user management and authentication, while retaining the ability to use the IPB systems, or Dynamic/Nexus systems (when they are released). It can be done. It will be done (most likely). But it's a far more difficult task than you might be thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 ...that means say your website is:http://forums.domain.com If someone is using a forums sub domain, it's most likely they are using just the forums, not as their web site. If they are using the forums as the main domain, they are using it as their web site.then your site downloads would be http://forums.domain.com/?automodule=downloads I think that the component system should only be used for COMMUNITY components and other features like downloads should added using a component system in IP Converger, this would allow a more realistic approach to the structure of a website using IPB. And the problem is? No one really cares about the url, it's the site that matters. Plus, again, no one is going to use the forums sub domain unless they already have a web site and just tacking a forums on.Otherwise people are going to have a whole website powered via IPB, which is not the idea, a website should be powered by say IPD, and have IPB as the community side. Maybe I dont want IPD. Ever think about that? There are MANY sites out there that are just forums and nothing else: A community. It wouldnt be practical for them to use anymore more complex. IPD is meant for more standard web sites, not necessarly for a community base.P.S --> What about renaming IPB to Invison Community Suite and having the blog and chat only! and then moving the gallery, ineo, downloads, links as add-ons for IPD and then using IPC as a way of linking everything! THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! There is no reason to do that at all. The plugins link into IPB as components. IPB links into IPD. The components can also link into IPD. I dont see a problem at all.Maybe not, but with the way IPB is going, you could run your website using just IPB, using IPB portal as the front page displaying lots of content and stuff and linking with the plugins. I do that, and so do a lot of people. Great for forum sites.Yes its cool that IPB is powerful enough to be a mini CMS, but i think that the plugins such as Gallery, Downloads, and Ineo should be available natatively from IPB, [b]its just weird to have to go to my website forums to access downloads, or view an image. I personally feel that they should plugin to IP.Converge and NOT IPB [/b] Converge is a authentication software that links two different applications togehter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I like the idea of the Invision Community Suite, great name for a product. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Charles Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I like the idea of the Invision Community Suite, great name for a product. :) I could see IPS selling a bunch of the products bundled together as the Invision Community Suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam drysdale Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Yeah i'd love to see the renaming of IPB/Gallery/Weblogs to Invision Community Suite I think that it should say Invision Community Suite as the copyright on the Portal page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyM Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 P.S --> What about renaming IPB to Invison Community Suite and having the blog and chat only! and then moving the gallery, ineo, downloads, links as add-ons for IPD and then using IPC as a way of linking everything! THIS WOULD BE AWESOME!!!! Would also cost a hell of a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cam drysdale Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 no more that what it already costs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyM Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Well let's say you want to use the ineo or download manager, you have to purchase IP.Dynamic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
=Charles Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 What on Earth is "Ineo"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 What on Earth is "Ineo"?http://www.ipsbeyond.com/forums/blog/ineo/...p?showentry=118 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thom4s Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 ... Would also cost a hell of a lot of money. no more that what it already costs! Hi there. Sorry BHX but I'm under the impression that you forget to read others arguments and conception ? Why do you maintain posture which consists to assert that any user may be interested by a kind of pack... ? For example, I'm IPB and IPG user but was never concerned about ICB because I don't need it at all or so far. Well... appelation "IPB" suits me fine and in this actual context, appears to me logical. Excuse if I didn't correctly understand your expectation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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