Who would like to see a Reputation system built into IPB?

[UBERHOST.NET]

Well thanks for the sarcasm but yeah I was typing to Digi :thumbsup:

Private conversations belong in the PM system, junior. :lol:

[Super Mr Average]

Private conversations belong in the PM system, junior. :lol:

lol tru say

[djxcee]

sorry to bring back a dead thread but I think this is feature should be added to IPB

[Josh04]

It is.

[Alex]

I am seriously voting no, and I dont really think it needs to be voted for. I have noticed alot of flame does come around reputation, and if someone 'rep's someone badly, all hell breaks loose.

Its good for fansites, and for some sites that want it, but its not the best thing that could be added..

[djxcee]

I am seriously voting no, and I dont really think it needs to be voted for. I have noticed alot of flame does come around reputation, and if someone 'rep's someone badly, all hell breaks loose.

Its good for fansites, and for some sites that want it, but its not the best thing that could be added..

yea you're right

there should be an option to enable/disable it

[Philouke2]

I vote yes, waiting for this for a long time ( I'm using the mod but I would prefer an integrated version )

[Jason H]

just out of interest, the people who said No and Maybe - why did you vote for those options?

I didn't vote no but I would have if I bothered to vote because a reputation system, which I used on my forum at one time, along with a shoutbox wound up being one of the biggest mistakes I ever made.

It has the nasty habit of developing cliques on forums, causing fights (Which then spill over to the Shoutbox) and winds up being nothing but a total waste of time and space.

For those of you who use a rep system.. How many members actually get a smattering of Positive and Negative reps? What it winds up being is that half the people give handies to each other by just bumping each others reps up, and those people then pile on other members and wind up running them off. The eBay reputation system actually has some merit.. This one.. IMO.. Has none.

Further.. I'm more for keeping the 'footprint' of IPB as small as possible. Right now, a full install of IPB has shot up to over 20M in 2.3.1. That's up from 10M in 2.1.x. Additionally, as i'm sure that everyone would say.. You want to keep the memory/resource footprint as small as possible.. Sure.. It'd be nice to have the software come over and wipe your butt for you, but if you have to have a P4 dedicated server with 4 Gigs of RAM to run it.. What good does it do?

Now.. In a perfect world where someone says "I like this post.. +1 rep" and "I don't agree with this.. -1 rep".. Sure.. A rep system is great.. But what happens is the new guy says "I don't like this post.. -1 rep" the person who gets the -1 then turns around and does a vengence -1 and over and over and over and then person B gets Person Q to pile on and they run Person A off the forum. That's how it REALLY works in the real world.

But.. So long as it could be turned off.. I'd still rather see it as a mod. Talk to the mod author and tell him to make it easier to install.

[Luke]

yea you're right

there should be an option to enable/disable it

I thought there was a way to disable it? I remember it being disabled here at one time when it was introduced as a feature.

I vote yes, waiting for this for a long time ( I'm using the mod but I would prefer an integrated version )

It already exists.

Right now, a full install of IPB has shot up to over 20M in 2.3.1.

That's because of the new pro skin that's included. IPS really needs to decide which one is the default and leave the other one out as a choice download. The reason why it is this way now is because the new skin is a modified version of the classic blue skin, and they'd have to make the classic blue a modified version of the pro (flip it) in order to do that... And if they did, it would screw up some custom skins...

[Jason H]

That's because of the new pro skin that's included. IPS really needs to decide which one is the default and leave the other one out as a choice download. The reason why it is this way now is because the new skin is a modified version of the classic blue skin, and they'd have to make the classic blue a modified version of the pro (flip it) in order to do that... And if they did, it would screw up some custom skins...

The Pro skin takes up precisely 481k. And the package size went up starting with 2.2.1 or .2, which didn't include the Pro skin.. I don't recall which, and the size jump has to do with charset compatibility.. I still think that the additional charset support should be dumped from the package and added as a 'charset addon' package or something. I mean, sure, it's great to have support for Kreblekestani characters.. But there's one person who uses it...

[Luke]

The Pro skin takes up precisely 481k. And the package size went up starting with 2.2.1 or .2, which didn't include the Pro skin.. I don't recall which, and the size jump has to do with charset compatibility.. I still think that the additional charset support should be dumped from the package and added as a 'charset addon' package or something. I mean, sure, it's great to have support for Kreblekestani characters.. But there's one person who uses it...

Ah you're right. In fact I think it should be something that is bound to the language pack... Like if you downloaded a Kreblekestani language pack it would have the Kreblekestani char set. Would make sense, right :)?

[tidyhost]

I voted yes because its something I would use on almost any site, also manually adding that rep mod is a long job.

[FrostedPopTart]

The Pro skin takes up precisely 481k. And the package size went up starting with 2.2.1 or .2, which didn't include the Pro skin.. I don't recall which, and the size jump has to do with charset compatibility.. I still think that the additional charset support should be dumped from the package and added as a 'charset addon' package or something. I mean, sure, it's great to have support for Kreblekestani characters.. But there's one person who uses it...

Good point, while I have 10mb cable internet the size doesn't bother me that much; I can understand the concern for those with slower connections.

[Alex]

Talk to the mod author and tell him to make it easier to install.

Its already being done, been in development for ages, should be no file edits like the other new mods.

[Jason H]

Good point, while I have 10mb cable internet the size doesn't bother me that much; I can understand the concern for those with slower connections.

The connection speed is less a problem than the overall size of the package. There are some people who may have a 100M disk space limit.. Taking up 20% of your available diskspace just for a base forum install.. That's the real issue to me. From my standpoint.. Installing x number of forums per day.. Yeah, it takes longer to up the files, especially if I get someone who seems to have a server that is running on a 300 baud modem.. But less of a concern from that standpoint.. I mean.. I can deal with that.. And folks who keep their sites updated don't really have to worry about it as you can use the upgrade pack and cut down on the upload size.

Its already being done, been in development for ages, should be no file edits like the other new mods.

And that's good news. I know it takes time to work all the kinks out, and it's especially beneficial to the folks who use the 'included' license with IPB.. Allows them to have the feature without editing files that they cannot edit. Wish more modders would go this direction. Some just can't be done that way, but the ones that can..

[FrostedPopTart]

The connection speed is less a problem than the overall size of the package. There are some people who may have a 100M disk space limit.. Taking up 20% of your available diskspace just for a base forum install.. That's the real issue to me. From my standpoint.. Installing x number of forums per day.. Yeah, it takes longer to up the files, especially if I get someone who seems to have a server that is running on a 300 baud modem.. But less of a concern from that standpoint.. I mean.. I can deal with that.. And folks who keep their sites updated don't really have to worry about it as you can use the upgrade pack and cut down on the upload size.

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That is true too. I use the update pack if at all possible, it saves time (especially with all the images and such). If the person with the trouble is on IPS Hosting or some other host with low disk space limits (no offense intended, but my site uses 8GB; so I couldn't host with you guys anyway :P ) - I can definitely understand the concern then. Heck, one of the charset files alone is 1mb. Another is 700 or 800KB or so. And some of the resources files are several hundred KB in size. They do add up, believe it or not.

[Jason H]

That is true too. I use the update pack if at all possible, it saves time (especially with all the images and such). If the person with the trouble is on IPS Hosting or some other host with low disk space limits (no offense intended, but my site uses 8GB; so I couldn't host with you guys anyway :P ) - I can definitely understand the concern then. Heck, one of the charset files alone is 1mb. Another is 700 or 800KB or so. And some of the resources files are several hundred KB in size. They do add up, believe it or not.

I have actually run into the problem several times where the ipb_templates.xml file is too large. Now, generally the problem is that it's too large and PHPsettings on the server are so restrictive that it cannot be imported properly, and I have to break it up into 2 or more pieces.. However.. There's a 'free' host out there which doesn't allow a sinlge uploaded file to be larger than 500k.

Of course.. easy response would be to tell them to find a host that allows larger than 500k uploads. But..

And you're right about the spce limits.. A "Basic" forum hosting package only has 100M.. Install the forum, add a few skins.. You're out of space.

[Anonymous IPB User]

I voted Yes, and only allowing positive reputation to be left, and only allowing the one who received the rep to view his or her own rep would eliminate many of the issues with the members. The majority of members want this to be a standard feature for IPB, so why doesn't IPB listen to the users and include it? Modifications sucks because they get wiped out every time you upgrade the forum!

[Alex]

Bobage, IPS do listen to their customers, but you have to understand that only 186 people have voted yes for one, and 86 voted no, and only 274 people have voted. There are countless thousands of people who have IPB but havent posted in this topic, and I bet, if IPS forced everyone to vote, you would see around 80% of all people voting no :)

274 is not a good section of data to go with the overall majority.

[Anonymous IPB User]

Bobage, IPS do listen to their customers, but you have to understand that only 186 people have voted yes for one, and 86 voted no, and only 274 people have voted. There are countless thousands of people who have IPB but havent posted in this topic, and I bet, if IPS forced everyone to vote, you would see around 80% of all people voting no :)

274 is not a good section of data to go with the overall majority.

How did you come to the conclusion that 80% of the people would vote no if everyone voted? 274 is a large enough sample size to draw fairly reliable conclusions from. And it was 82 who voted no, not 86. How many times have we seen polls in the US with a sample size of 2,000, and yet they are able to draw conclusions for a population of over 300 million. And, who wouldn't want a reputation system if they could easily turn it on or off at their own volition? There are currently no stable reputation mods for IPB. I know you are working on one yourself, but its been in the works for a long time now. My members liked the reputation system when I had it on the forum, but as many have said here, the negative reputation can cause problems, but if you turn off the ability to make reputation negative, it would be a great addition to any forum. It encourages good posts and is a type of reward for those who spend the time creating those good posts. Does anyone know if Vbulletin includes a rep system with their forums? Or is it an mod/add on as well?

[Alex]

1. I dont live in the US.
2. 80% was a complete guess, but still, it seems the vast majority say no.
3. There is a current stable one (4.6.1)
4. Its been in the works for ages because we have been working on other things (socialiser, etc.)
5. vB includes a default one, but a bad one at that

[Anonymous IPB User]

1. I dont live in the US.

2. 80% was a complete guess, but still, it seems the vast majority say no.

3. There is a current stable one (4.6.1)

4. Its been in the works for ages because we have been working on other things (socialiser, etc.)

5. vB includes a default one, but a bad one at that

1. The same standard applies everywhere, and I am sure they do not poll 100% of the population when they conduct polls in your country.

2. How can you say the vast majority say no to a reputation system when this polls says otherwise. What information are you relying on when you arrive at this conclusion?

3. That "stable" release lacks the ability to delete reputation, which can really lead to major problems for any forum owner. In addition, I have been reading about a lot of people having the same error in which they have to delete a piece of code in order to get it to work. I had a lot of problems with that release myself. But, I do not wish to suggest that your mod is no good, but rather, from what I understand, you picked up this mod where it was left off by another person, and are therefore revamping the entire mod. I wouldn't even mind paying for such a mod, and I do appreciate the work you guys do. But, I do hate adding mods to my forum because they get wiped out every time there is an IPB update, which seem to be 2 or 3 time a year. It would be nice if IPB took the popular mods and made them a standard feature. I do understand IPB cannot add everything every member wants, but I have heard more IPB owners ask for a reputation system more than any thing else.

4. Are you going to toss out the rep system mod since you believe nobody wants it?

5. That is based on your opinion, but it seems that every time I am on a vbulletin forum, they have a very nice reputation system and the members really seem to like it. And I know, I could have went with Vbulletin myself, but I started my community years ago with IPB, and its too late for my community. Plus, I like IPB and so do my members.

[atomicknight]

How did you come to the conclusion that 80% of the people would vote no if everyone voted? 274 is a large enough sample size to draw fairly reliable conclusions from. And it was 82 who voted no, not 86. How many times have we seen polls in the US with a sample size of 2,000, and yet they are able to draw conclusions for a population of over 300 million.

Professionally done polls are done randomly (usually through random digit dialing) and are arranged such that the surveyors contact the participants, not the other way around. The fact that this is a voluntary poll in of itself introduces an extreme amount of response bias, particularly among those who have no reason to frequent these forums. Just take any basic statistics course and you'll be able to see why it's possible to extrapolate (to a certain extent) in particular situations, but not in others.

[Super Mr Average]

1. The same standard applies everywhere, and I am sure they do not poll 100% of the population when they conduct polls in your country.

2. How can you say the vast majority say no to a reputation system when this polls says otherwise. What information are you relying on when you arrive at this conclusion?

3. That "stable" release lacks the ability to delete reputation, which can really lead to major problems for any forum owner. In addition, I have been reading about a lot of people having the same error in which they have to delete a piece of code in order to get it to work. I had a lot of problems with that release myself. But, I do not wish to suggest that your mod is no good, but rather, from what I understand, you picked up this mod where it was left off by another person, and are therefore revamping the entire mod. I wouldn't even mind paying for such a mod, and I do appreciate the work you guys do. But, I do hate adding mods to my forum because they get wiped out every time there is an IPB update, which seem to be 2 or 3 time a year. It would be nice if IPB took the popular mods and made them a standard feature. I do understand IPB cannot add everything every member wants, but I have heard more IPB owners ask for a reputation system more than any thing else.

4. Are you going to toss out the rep system mod since you believe nobody wants it?

5. That is based on your opinion, but it seems that every time I am on a vbulletin forum, they have a very nice reputation system and the members really seem to like it. And I know, I could have went with Vbulletin myself, but I started my community years ago with IPB, and its too late for my community. Plus, I like IPB and so do my members.

Some good points there I personally also like the Vbulletin reputation system its simple and efficient.
I personally dislike the AH modding version as it seems to over complicate things for no reason.

[bfarber]

Profiles have comments and ratings - what is needed beyond that is missing to the point where a "reputation system" is warranted? I think comments and ratings are the basic underpinnings, don't you?